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Cody Dawg · Jul 16, 2006, 05:45 PM

Athens:

That's too bad about those Canadians, eh?

Now, imagine what it felt like to be one of the six MILLION Jews just wiped off the face of the earth...for no reason. Not even for the reason being peace or security. Just gone.

Just IMAGINE Toronto or Vancouver...just wiped out. Because...???

Because someone was Jewish or had brown eyes or didn't believe as you did.

Too bad some of your compassion isn't for the millions of dead Jews...

OR the millions of Jews living in a tiny country called Israel that everyone around them wants to wipe out.

Sky Captain · Jul 16, 2006, 05:48 PM

...because they're Jews.

Kerrigan · Jul 16, 2006, 06:19 PM

I think there may not be any more point in debating this. There are a lot of people who are plotting to wipe out Israel, and there are a lot of people in Europe and the Americas who sympathize with this sinister movement.

We can never convince them that they are wrong, they will never accept the primacy of civilized values over the barbaric ideologies of Islamists.

This is truly turning into a WWIII-type situation, and people have already chosen sides. Talking is becoming increasingly pointless, so now is a good time to replace words with action and mobilization.

Cody Dawg · Jul 16, 2006, 06:33 PM

Yes, call it what it is: World War III.

You're right.

Let's choose sides:

ALLIES:

Israel
United States
Iraq
Japan
South Korea
Singapore
Pakistan
Afghanistan

NEUTRAL: (For a while - or until they are hit or threatened):

European Union (Including Germany)
Australia
Canada
Great Britain
Mexico
New Zealand
Greece
Italy
Spain
Egypt (?)
Jordan
UAE

PRO-ISLAMOFASCIST:

Iran
Syria
Russia (Russia wants Iran's oils and to continue to sell them arms)
North Korea
Venezuela

??? (THE BIG "WHICH SIDE WILL THEY CHOOSE?")

Lebanon
China (Probably will side with Iran - I predicted that long ago because China wants Iran's oil)

Wiskedjak · Jul 16, 2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

NEUTRAL: (For a while - or until they are hit or threatened):

European Union (Including Germany)
Australia
Canada
Great Britain
Mexico
New Zealand
Greece
Italy
Spain
Egypt (?)
Jordan
UAE

Aren't Great Britain, Greece, Italy, and Spain part of the European Union (first entity on your list)?

Cody Dawg · Jul 16, 2006, 08:42 PM

Yeah, but some of them are opting to acting independently and not en masse.

itai195 · Jul 16, 2006, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Athens

Violence creates more violence.

How ironic, considering your sig, which btw I've reported for being offensive. Your explanation (or excuse, depending on perspective) is not satisfactory.

greenG4 · Jul 16, 2006, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I think there may not be any more point in debating this. There are a lot of people who are plotting to wipe out Israel, and there are a lot of people in Europe and the Americas who sympathize with this sinister movement.

We can never convince them that they are wrong, they will never accept the primacy of civilized values over the barbaric ideologies of Islamists.

This is truly turning into a WWIII-type situation, and people have already chosen sides. Talking is becoming increasingly pointless, so now is a good time to replace words with action and mobilization.

Agreed. This thread cries out "Just let me die!" (Hence, I also think this thread is a suicide bomber.)

Kevin · Jul 16, 2006, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Athens

No the counrties the terrorists are in will lose, the terrorists themselves have nothing to lose which is the problem.

No, they THINK they have nothing to lose. They are mistaken.

PacHead · Jul 16, 2006, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Athens

No the counrties the terrorists are in will lose, the terrorists themselves have nothing to lose which is the problem.

The countries will lose, the people that live in those countries will lose and lastly, the terrorists will indeed lose.

Pendergast · Jul 16, 2006, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yes, call it what it is: World War III.

You're right.

Let's choose sides:

Pro-Islamofascist:
Venezuela

LOL!

PS: You forgot the UN as a true Pro-Islamo-Fascist anti-Semite organization as well!

Pendergast · Jul 16, 2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I think there may not be any more point in debating this. There are a lot of people who are plotting to wipe out Israel, and there are a lot of people in Europe and the Americas who sympathize with this sinister movement.

We can never convince them that they are wrong, they will never accept the primacy of civilized values over the barbaric ideologies of Islamists.

This is truly turning into a WWIII-type situation, and people have already chosen sides. Talking is becoming increasingly pointless, so now is a good time to replace words with action and mobilization.

Can you be more simplistic? I am sure you reduce that to a binary assertion. Come on; try. I am sure you can.

Let me do that for you:

Israel absolutely Good (Right)
Islam absolutely Bad (Left).

How about that?

besson3c · Jul 16, 2006, 10:12 PM

Let's blow up and invade everything except ourselves... then we are done, we could blow up and invade ourselves.

Kevin · Jul 16, 2006, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Let's blow up and invade everything except ourselves... then we are done, we could blow up and invade ourselves.

HEY CUBEOID!

PacHead · Jul 16, 2006, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Let me do that for you:

Israel absolutely Good (Right)
Islam absolutely Bad (Left).

How about that?

That sounds about right.

demograph68 · Jul 17, 2006, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

HEY CUBEOID!

HEY ZIMPHIRE!

Kevin · Jul 17, 2006, 06:51 AM

Hey

Cody Dawg · Jul 17, 2006, 08:09 AM

I read this morning that Russian and Great Britain (Blair) are considering sending troops into the conflict now...

Nicko · Jul 17, 2006, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yes, call it what it is: World War III.

You're right.

Let's choose sides:
....

you guys are funny.

Cody Dawg · Jul 17, 2006, 08:42 AM

I'm glad you're amused.

Taking a little break from bickering...

Hey, Nicko, is there still a restaurant called Trattoria there in Nairobi? A little Italian place? It is my favorite Italian restaurant of ALL time - even preferred over many restaurants in Italy!

bstone · Jul 17, 2006, 11:51 AM

Dear Athens,

Judaism does not believe in "hell" the way the Christians describe it. It's more of a temporary pergatory. As such, it will be difficult for Israel to "burn in hell" when it just doesn't exist for us.

Kevin · Jul 17, 2006, 11:55 AM

bstone I beleive there were two places in "hell" one for perpatory, and one for "burning" so to speak.

It was divided by a "line" but one could see the other.

vmarks · Jul 17, 2006, 12:31 PM

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...d=115&letter=G

Read.

Troll · Jul 17, 2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

False.

Israel is bombing bridges only to stop HizbAllah from using exits out of the country to take Israel's soldiers to Syria.

Did you miss the part about refugees flooding into Syria in their droves.

Is Israel going to rebuild the infrastructure when the dust settles?

bstone · Jul 17, 2006, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Troll

Did you miss the part about refugees flooding into Syria in their droves.

Is Israel going to rebuild the infrastructure when the dust settles?

Israel has what obligation to rebuild the infrastructure of countries which active work for her desruction? Try again.

Monique · Jul 17, 2006, 01:05 PM

First how do you negotiate with people that want to wipe you out.

Israel is staying for 2 reasons, because this is their legetimate home, because the world tried to kill them off, not just during the 2nd world war but at other times.

Palestinians do not have more rights to that land than anyone else.

Terrorists have a lot to lose, just look at the way they react when one of them dies.

The Palestinians today have no idea what Palestine was like then.

The terrorists want to steal the Jews property, the hard work they did for 60 years, just like the Nazis did in the past.

PacHead · Jul 17, 2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Troll

Is Israel going to rebuild the infrastructure when the dust settles?

Hahaha. Good one.

BTW - Can somebody tell me what the words in my sig mean ? I don't know hebrew, but I liked the snake thing.

bstone · Jul 17, 2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by PacHead

BTW - Can somebody tell me what the words in my sig mean ? I don't know hebrew, but I liked the snake thing.

Don't tread on me. Not seen it before. Cute.

PacHead · Jul 17, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by bstone

Don't tread on me. Not seen it before. Cute.

Ok good, thanks, just making sure. I found it on some pro-Israel forum, so I was pretty sure that I agreed with it regardless of what it said.

Doofy · Jul 17, 2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yes, call it what it is: World War III.

Let's choose sides:

ALLIES:

Iraq
Pakistan
Afghanistan

Including those three countries as allies is reasonably delusional.

Cody Dawg · Jul 17, 2006, 01:40 PM

Why?

Doofy · Jul 17, 2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Why?

Because there's no way on earth that they're going to fight against their "brothers". It'd be like you guys teaming up with North Korea to fight the Canadians - just wouldn't happen.

Cody Dawg · Jul 17, 2006, 01:52 PM

Musharrif's (Pakistan) brother is an American citizen and restauranteur living in Ohio and Musharrif has openly talked about coming to the United States when he "retires" from Pakistan.

Iraq and Afghanistan are hardly going to be "against" us when we "liberated" them.

Doofy · Jul 17, 2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Musharrif's (Pakistan) brother is an American citizen and restauranteur living in Ohio and Musharrif has openly talked about coming to the United States when he "retires" from Pakistan.

Musharraf is a dictator. He's also Indian, not Pakistani. And his brother is a doctor living in Chicago.

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Iraq and Afghanistan are hardly going to be "against" us when we "liberated" them.

Don't be too sure. Already there's signs that they're turning. For example, in one incident British servicemen were turned over to insurgents by the Iraqi police force.

Trust me, they won't fight against their brothers.

Nicko · Jul 17, 2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Hey, Nicko, is there still a restaurant called Trattoria there in Nairobi? A little Italian place? It is my favorite Italian restaurant of ALL time - even preferred over many restaurants in Italy!

Actually they opened a new one a few months ago, they have awsome food.

Kerrigan · Jul 17, 2006, 02:13 PM

I think America needs to train a small part of its army to fight Hezbollah-style. Not as in targeting innocent people, but more along the lines of having an especially vicious, poisonous group of fighters who can be dispatched against Hezbollah (and the rest) in order to sicken their appetite for fighting.

Do you think Hezbollah/Hamas/Al Qaeda would be so cocky if we sent squadrons of bloodthirsty fighters to engage them in close-up battles, sneaking up on them, using deceptive tactics, and then cutting their heads off at the end of the fight?

I'm dead serious. This is what terrorists do to our innocent civilians, it's time to start doing the same thing to them.

Any small group of dipsh*ts can get together, kidnap a woman or a journalist, and then cut their heads off in front of a video camera. They think it makes them so tough.

It's time to start targeting terrorists and doing the same exact things to them. Give them a dose of their own medicine.

Doofy · Jul 17, 2006, 02:19 PM

So basically train up all your Nazi gangbangers (let's face it, ultra loyal to home country) and tell 'em they'll get a pardon if they kill enough terrorists? Dirty Dozen style.

Nicko · Jul 17, 2006, 02:41 PM

Ok I have a theory of why Israel is attacking Lebanon...

They are using Lebanon as a hostage to get the world's attention focused on the continuing problem of Hezbollah (as they see it).

While Israel may have no credibly in the eyes of their neighbors, they do have military superiority. However history has shown that military action alone is incapable of solving the situation. But perhaps by Israel threatening open war is enough to force the international community to intervene in a substantial way. Blair is already hinting at moving in some kind of peace keeping force.

The beauty of this plan is that Israel can continue to look completely justified in its actions as it proceeds to 'defend' itself.

It seems to me that this game of poker will only work if the international community can come up with a plan to place troops on the ground quick enough. Because frankly, I doubt any amount of Israeli strikes is going to persuade Hezbollah to hand back their only card.

So what happens? Can international troops be placed on the ground if Israel widens their military offensive? What if the hostages are already dead? How then will this be resolved? More importantly, is Bush going to take the lead as Clinton did? Or will he continue his silence as Lebanon (one of his only successes) continues to be turned to dust?

Cody Dawg · Jul 17, 2006, 03:03 PM

I don't know why except that Lebanon is weak and Hizbollah knows this and uses Syria to get munitions and weapons then goes in and out of Lebanon freely to launch attacks.

That's my guess anyway.

I do feel bad for the innocent Lebanese caught in the middle...

But Lebanon has known for a long time that Hizbollah was using them to launch attacks and did nothing about it.

besson3c · Jul 17, 2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I don't know why except that Lebanon is weak and Hizbollah knows this and uses Syria to get munitions and weapons then goes in and out of Lebanon freely to launch attacks.

That's my guess anyway.

I do feel bad for the innocent Lebanese caught in the middle...

But Lebanon has known for a long time that Hizbollah was using them to launch attacks and did nothing about it.

Why are you talking all crazy like? Let's take 'em out!!

vmarks · Jul 17, 2006, 03:13 PM

At some point, sooner rather than later if HizbAllah keeps up the rate of bombings, HizbAllah will run out of bombs. At that point, Syria and Iran will have to decide how material their pledged support for HizbAllah really is.

If Iran and Syria begin transferring weapons to HizbAllah, how does that change your perspectives on things?

Israel is not playing a poker game.

Matius · Jul 17, 2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Don't be too sure. Already there's signs that they're turning. For example, in one incident British servicemen were turned over to insurgents by the Iraqi police force.

Trust me, they won't fight against their brothers.

Uh, trust me, they will. The Iraqis (and Afghanis for that matter) had no problems drilling their "brothers" with 7.62 when those "brothers" threaten the chances for them and their families to lead a normal life, i.e. resort to terrorist/insurgent acitivities.

And the police that turned over British troops to insurgents were likely insurgents who infiltrated the local police force, going "under cover" as it were. Not the first time, probably not the last.

Matius · Jul 17, 2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I think America needs to train a small part of its army to fight Hezbollah-style. Not as in targeting innocent people, but more along the lines of having an especially vicious, poisonous group of fighters who can be dispatched against Hezbollah (and the rest) in order to sicken their appetite for fighting.

Three words: Special Operations Forces

Nicko · Jul 17, 2006, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

At some point, sooner rather than later if HizbAllah keeps up the rate of bombings, HizbAllah will run out of bombs. At that point, Syria and Iran will have to decide how material their pledged support for HizbAllah really is.

If Iran and Syria begin transferring weapons to HizbAllah, how does that change your perspectives on things?

Israel is not playing a poker game.

Well I guess that is one possibility, but how realistic is that?

Besides, there is already evidence that some of the new missles being fired are coming from Iran/Syria. I guess the point is, how is Israel's response anything but pure revenge? Even by creating a 'buffer zone', how does that change the situation? Sure, maintaining a state of war is the easy solution, but hardly a long term one. IMO The only way the situation can change is if a third party goes inbetween Hizballah and Israel.

-- oh and the IDF is now saying that Hizballah has some 13000 missles? At the rate they are fireing them they will last a long time.

ink · Jul 17, 2006, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Athens

I think this has less to do with them being Jews and more to do with the state being placed in the heart of a region that was all muslim.

So....

Muslims can't get along with other religions (Judaism) then?

Kevin · Jul 17, 2006, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by ink

So....

Muslims can't get along with other religions (Judaism and Christians) then?

Fixored.

Sky Captain · Jul 17, 2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by ink

So....

Muslims can't get along with other religions (Judaism) then?

I'm begenning to truly believe this also.
Lack of tollerance and peace.
Hippocrites.

vmarks · Jul 17, 2006, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Well I guess that is one possibility, but how realistic is that?

Besides, there is already evidence that some of the new missles being fired are coming from Iran/Syria. I guess the point is, how is Israel's response anything but pure revenge? Even by creating a 'buffer zone', how does that change the situation? Sure, maintaining a state of war is the easy solution, but hardly a long term one. IMO The only way the situation can change is if a third party goes inbetween Hizballah and Israel.

-- oh and the IDF is now saying that Hizballah has some 13000 missles? At the rate they are fireing them they will last a long time.

There is no negotiating with HizbAllah.

I don't know why you think a third party would help matters. Sure, you can have stability, but doing so means condemning Lebanese to a society of fear, living among HizbAllah.

It means condemning Israelis from the middle of the country to the north living in fear as well.

That's no way to move forward to peace.

Unfortunately, shaking things up, breaking HizbAllah, is the way to peace.

This is not revenge. This is fighting for a future.

If there are 13000 missiles, and HizbAllah fires at a rate of 100 per day, then they can fire for 130 days. This is about six months, which is historically fairly short in terms of the lengths of wars.

PacHead · Jul 17, 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

If there are 13000 missiles, and HizbAllah fires at a rate of 100 per day, then they can fire for 130 days. This is about six months, which is historically fairly short in terms of the lengths of wars.

I heard 1000 have already been shot. Either way, Hezbollah is dead, IMO.

Troll · Jul 18, 2006, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by bstone

Israel has what obligation to rebuild the infrastructure of countries which active work for her desruction? Try again.

Israel doesn't say that Lebanon is working for her destruction. Hezbollah is not a country. Try again.