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Zimphire · Jul 12, 2005, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

On a sidenote, what the heck is the connection with the Christian Cross and scientology??

No connection. They just use it to infer it's legit.

Zimphire · Jul 12, 2005, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by sanity assassin

Jonny Hart (cartoonist who became a fundamentalist Christian and ended up getting the boot from the papers due to the overt Christian tone his pieces took on)

What papers booted him?

And that would say more about the papers, then he.

—Best Humor Strip in America, six times (The National Cartoonist Society)

—The Reuben—Cartoonist of the Year (The National Cartoonist Society)

—The Yellow Kid Award for Best Cartoonist (The International Congress of Comics)

—Best Cartoonist of the Year (France's highest cartooning award)

—The Sam Adamson Award, twice (Sweden's international award for graphic artists)

—The Elsie Segar Award (King Features Syndicate).

BTW throughout the whole BC life, there was a Christian message in it.

Nothing was different from now, and when he won the awards.

It's just the anti-Christian ballooey has grown stronger. That is all.

Zimphire · Jul 12, 2005, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by sanity assassin

Johnny Depp keeps going from strength to strength in view of his very anti-American opinions.

BTW, Johnny only got saved from doom after he apologized and claimed he loved America, that he was taken out of context.

turtle777 · Jul 12, 2005, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by sanity assassin

Stryper (fcuked up Christian band)

What's wrong with Stryper ?

Still gives me loads of giggles when I see the album covers. It's all good.

Besides that, the music is not worse than a lot of other stuff from that era.

-t

Sherwin · Jul 12, 2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by sanity assassin

Here's my list of those who trod on the religious/politicalk path but to the dismay of the public.

You mean "to the dismay of the leftie public".

Stryper went down quite well with their non-Christian peers during their popular phase (late 80's - they were hair metal, after all). Trust me on that - this was exactly my scene.

Ted Nugent still rocks.

Heston still rocks.

Railroader · Jul 12, 2005, 05:41 PM

When I first read the thread title I thought: "Fine, I don't want to go to France anyway!" *

* My name is "Tom" errrr... "Bruce" I mean.

Warung · Jul 12, 2005, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

BTW, Johnny only got saved from doom...

Bwahahahaaaaaa.

Johnny didn't get saved from anything. As opposed to Cruise he is a really cool person and a very talented actor.

As far as Paris not making Tom an honoraray citizen, - right on!

Anybody who is involved with scientology shouldn't be "honorary" anything.

Zimphire · Jul 12, 2005, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Warung

Bwahahahaaaaaa.

Johnny didn't get saved from anything.

Someone took what he said out of context, there was indeed a big deal made about it.

He soon after jumped to apologize for any misunderstanding, and had nothing bad to say about America.

So he was either lying before, lying now, or just trying to cover his but for some reason...

Zimphire · Jul 12, 2005, 07:46 PM

Anyhow, to get this back on track.

http://liquidgeneration.com/games/cr...cientology.asp

RonnieoftheRose · Jul 12, 2005, 09:19 PM

Weyland-Yutani · 10:18 PM

this is good stuff:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-sc...times-1985.txt

and this

http://sf.irk.ru/www/xenuleaf.htm

cheers

W-Y

Wiskedjak · Jul 12, 2005, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

On a sidenote, what the heck is the connection with the Christian Cross and scientology??

seems like a cheap shot

cheers

W-Y

Christian's weren't the first to use a cross as a religious symbol

Weyland-Yutani · Jul 12, 2005, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Christian's weren't the first to use a cross as a religious symbol

did I say cross?

no I didn't, I said Christian cross. The one used since the 7th century. There are many, many kinds of crosses, but the one above looks a lot like the Christian one.

cheers

W-Y

Wiskedjak · Jul 12, 2005, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

did I say cross?

no I didn't, I said Christian cross. The one used since the 7th century. There are many, many kinds of crosses, but the one above looks a lot like the Christian one.

cheers

W-Y

I'm just thinking it bares a closer resemblance to the rose cross (which, admittedly, doesn't predate the Christian cross). There is also similarity with the ankh

Hawkeye_a · Jul 13, 2005, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sherwin

No he doesn't. He does a good job as a movie star - he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. Much like Sean Connery is always Sean Connery, Tom Cruise is always Tom Cruise.

But he's got OK taste in women.

Umm.. Yes he is an actor, thats his craft. I wasnt aware of any rule that says a movie star and actor are mutually exclusive fields. One can be both at the same time.

And most actors act in movies that 'pay the bills' whether it's Cruise, Connary, etc. such as Top Gun and James Bond....and that dosent make them bad actors.Tom Cruises performance in Jeryy McGuire and Magnolia are the ones that made me respect him as an actor, as opposed to just a 'movie star'.

In fact many musicians do the same....they have a couple of chart topping singles that pay the bills, but what they do after that makes them musicians/artists as opposed to just celebrities. Examples off the bat: Oasis: Wonderwall, Coldplay:Yellow. There are many more who have that one hit and then fade away fast.

Popularity isnt (or rather shouldnt be) a measure of ones talent in any field.

Cheers

Warung · Jul 13, 2005, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

So he was either lying before, lying now, or just trying to cover his but for some reason...

I thought it was a "misunderstanding"?

Otoh, this:

"I was ecstatic they re-named 'French Fries' as 'Freedom Fries'. Grown men and women in positions of power in the U.S. government showing themselves as idiots,"

is pretty straight forward. And I won't get into a political flamefest here, but after reading that interview with "Der Stern" I don't think Mr. Depp has anything to apologize for.

Zimphire · Jul 13, 2005, 06:57 AM

[QUOTE=Warungis pretty straight forward. And I won't get into a political flamefest here, but after reading that interview with "Der Stern" I don't think Mr. Depp has anything to apologize for.[/QUOTE]

Regardless if you think he needed to or not, Johnny felt like he needed to, and did.

He was just giving the foreign media what they wanted. That is all.

This is coming from the same guy that trashed his motel room, and told the police a armadillo came out of his closet, and destroyed his room and left.

Warung · 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

He was just giving the foreign media what they wanted. That is all.

Bull. He made similar comments several times. I think you've got it backwards. He gave the conservo american media backlash what they wanted to hear. (Eventhtough I haven't seen where he publicaly apologized for what I quoted. And truth be told, - I don't think he did.)

This:

"America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive"

is what he apologized for.

Originally Posted by Zimphire

This is coming from the same guy that trashed his motel room, and told the police a armadillo came out of his closet, and destroyed his room and left.

And that's just too cool for words. Heh.

Sherwin · Jul 13, 2005, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Umm.. Yes he is an actor, thats his craft. I wasnt aware of any rule that says a movie star and actor are mutually exclusive fields. One can be both at the same time.

Yep. But there's no rule which says you have to be an actor to be a movie star either.
Like the Governator. He certainly can't act. But he's a movie star.
Unlike Brad Pitt, who's a movie star but can also act.

Tom Cruise is not an actor. He's a movie star. Period.

Now, that's not to say I don't like some of his movies, because I do. He always plays the same character (himself) but in certain movies that fits just right.

Hawkeye_a · Jul 13, 2005, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Yep. But there's no rule which says you have to be an actor to be a movie star either.
Like the Governator. He certainly can't act. But he's a movie star.
Unlike Brad Pitt, who's a movie star but can also act.

Tom Cruise is not an actor. He's a movie star. Period.

Now, that's not to say I don't like some of his movies, because I do. He always plays the same character (himself) but in certain movies that fits just right.

Fair enough... he dosent compare to guys like Gary Oldman or Jhonny Depp as far as diverse roles. but he does act in motion pictures, despite your opinion on him.

Cheers

Zimphire · Jul 13, 2005, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Warung

Bull. He made similar comments several times. I think you've got it backwards. He gave the conservo american media backlash what they wanted to hear. (Eventhtough I haven't seen where he publicaly apologized for what I quoted. And truth be told, - I don't think he did.)

No, Johnny has a habit of giving whoever is speaking with, what they wanted to hear.

I have no doubt however that he is a part of the l33t pretentious hollywood left.

And that's just too cool for words. Heh.

Your scale of "cool" is off.

Cool isn't acting like a 3 year old throwing tantrums destroying other people's property for no reason.

That isn't cool. That is spoiled brat. That is spaz.

Johnny is only an actor, because he failed as a musician.

Not slamming his acting skills because he does have them.

Weyland-Yutani · Jul 13, 2005, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I'm just thinking it bares a closer resemblance to the rose cross (which, admittedly, doesn't predate the Christian cross). There is also similarity with the ankh

Ah I see. In a way it does resemble the rose cross even more.

It is some sort of a mishmash between the two. It just seems like out of the blue to pick a cross like that for their cult. Then again their entire cult is just made up out of the blue. Rather sad.

cheers

W-Y

Warung · 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

I have no doubt however that he is a part of the l33t pretentious hollywood left.

We'll, at leat internationally speaking, they are the only ones representing the US in a "positive" manner at the moment (except for Cruise, who's an idiot)...as opposed to the mokey a55 govt. which currently is doing it's very best to completely ruin America's image.

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Cool isn't acting like a 3 year old throwing tantrums destroying other people's property for no reason.

Maybe not, - but it's damn cool telling the cops that "an armadillo came out of his closet, and destroyed his room and left".

That's funny as hell!.

Zimphire · Jul 13, 2005, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Warung

We'll, at leat internationally speaking, they are the only ones representing the US in a "positive" manner at the moment

That is highly subjective.

but it's damn cool telling the cops than "an armadillo came out of his closet, and destroyed his room and left".

I don't see how that is cool. Any moron can do that. Ever watched Cops?

budster101 · Jul 13, 2005, 09:43 AM

Hmmmm. Super Troopers. But that WAS funny. Chug-Chug-Chug-Chug-Chug...

turtle777 · Jul 13, 2005, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Ah I see. In a way it does resemble the rose cross even more.

WTF ?

-t

Warung · Jul 13, 2005, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

That is highly subjective.

Yes, that is highly subjective...and corroborated by just about anybody I have talked to in the last 5 years.

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Any moron can do that.

"Can", yes. But will! There's the difference.

Zimphire · Jul 13, 2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Warung

Yes, that is highly subjective...and corroborated by just about anybody I have talked to in the last 5 years.

Not surprised.

"Can", yes. But will! There's the difference.

Again, watch the show "Cops" sometimes.

It happens all the time. esp them crackheads. They have the silliest excuses.

Johnny was all wacked out on drugs at the time.

Warung · Jul 13, 2005, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Not surprised.

Neither was I.

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Johnny was all wacked out on drugs at the time.

Not surprised.

Shaddim · Jul 13, 2005, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I'm just thinking it bares a closer resemblance to the rose cross (which, admittedly, doesn't predate the Christian cross). There is also similarity with the ankh

the Crowley/Mathers concoction. I've got it tatooed on my RT arm.

Looks a bit like it.

Many other variations here: http://altreligion.about.com/library...srosecross.htm

The original is a plain equal-arm cross with a rose in the center. It's still the symbol used my most rosicrucian orders.

Shaddim · Jul 13, 2005, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

WTF ?

-t

Care to elaborate?

BasketofPuppies · Jul 13, 2005, 03:24 PM

Why is it always Tom Cruise? Why can't we make fun of John Travolta?

He produced a Scientology propaganda movie, after all.

iLikebeer · Jul 13, 2005, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies

Why is it always Tom Cruise? Why can't we make fun of John Travolta?

He produced a Scientology propaganda movie, after all.

Because John Travolta is a pretty good guy outside of the scientology thing. You could sit down to dinner with him and hear the coolest stories about all kinds of different subjects without ever knowing he's a scientologist.

Sitting down for dinner with Tom Cruise would be like sitting down with an evil Tweak, pushing Scientology and basically being a weirdo. He's more of a fundamentalist scientologist imo. Fundamentalist <insert any religion> people are all pretty weird, but Cruise tops them all.

ASIMO · Jul 13, 2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I don't have a problem when celebrities voicing their opinions. They all do it. But you get on my "crazy list" when you no longer seem teathered to reality.

It would be only fair to perhaps extend that list beyond that of celebrities to cover at least current and former members of this administration and congress, no? I mean, really, imminent threat, mobile labs, wmd, bio-chem weapons, aluminum tubes, nuke program project plans? This ought to be a movie! I want to produce it.

CreepingDeth · Jul 13, 2005, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies

Agreed. I think everything should be free. After all, intellectual property costs nothing to produce or promote.

Seriously, Metallica still encourages people to record and trade its live performances. It's when you make its studio recordings freely available over the Internet that they sue.

Metallica's last album went double platinum in the United States, by the way.

And it sucked. Lars is a good drummer, but he sure as hell can't tune his drums. Hammett appears to be MIA on that album. Did anyone hear him on St. Anger? The tour following that album which I had the mistake of attending, featured Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, along with a set list full of that' album's songs. Mistake. Look at the 2004 set list. It's almost all gone. Backlash man. It was a bad album. Let's hope they stop trying the System Of A Down approach. If not, they, along with Van Halen, should just quit.

BTW, France, good job. You did something right. Congrats.

Wiskedjak · Jul 13, 2005, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies

Why is it always Tom Cruise? Why can't we make fun of John Travolta?

He produced a Scientology propaganda movie, after all.

Travolta doesn't push Scientology as Cruise has been in the last few weeks.

BasketofPuppies · Jul 13, 2005, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by CreepingDeth

And it sucked. Lars is a good drummer, but he sure as hell can't tune his drums. Hammett appears to be MIA on that album. Did anyone hear him on St. Anger? The tour following that album which I had the mistake of attending, featured Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, along with a set list full of that' album's songs. Mistake. Look at the 2004 set list. It's almost all gone. Backlash man. It was a bad album. Let's hope they stop trying the System Of A Down approach. If not, they, along with Van Halen, should just quit.

Never said it was any good, just that it sold well.

I haven't had anything good to say about Metallica's music since Puppets.

CreepingDeth · Jul 13, 2005, 04:48 PM

Oh come on. And Justice For All and the Black Album were both good. Master Of Puppets is just their best work.

BasketofPuppies · Jul 13, 2005, 04:56 PM

Justice felt like more of the same but not as good (and the lack of bass guitar made it more annoying than it should have been) and The Black Album felt too streamlined.

And I think Metallica's music needed some streamlining. (Did anyone truly enjoy listening to a single guitar riff repeat for three minutes?) But the self-titled album goes too far in that direction.

Zimphire · Jul 13, 2005, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by CreepingDeth

Oh come on. And Justice For All and the Black Album were both good. Master Of Puppets is just their best work.

Ride The Lightening wasn't bad either.

But yeah, Master was the best of them all.

CreepingDeth · Jul 13, 2005, 05:07 PM

Ride The Lightning was very good. Second best.

Person Man · Jul 13, 2005, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies

Why is it always Tom Cruise? Why can't we make fun of John Travolta?

He produced a Scientology propaganda movie, after all.

As I said in the "BECK is a Scientologist" thread that got derailed and locked,

Originally Posted by Person Man

I don't care what religion some celebrity follows, as long as they don't go around promoting it at every turn and refusing to even acknowledge that anyone who disagrees with them may even be PARTLY right...

In other words, I'm ok with actors being Scientologists... I'll watch John Travolta. Sure, he starred in that god-awful Battlefield Earth L Ron Hubbard thing, but I have yet to see him going around and jumping up and down like a madman saying "I'm a Scientologist! Woot! Look at me! I'm right and everyone else is wrong!"

No, and unless he does start doing stuff like that, I'll probably continue to watch Travolta.

But Tom Cruise on the other hand... I'll never be able to watch Top Gun again...

theolein · Jul 14, 2005, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

It wasn't my intent to get into a political argument; I'm honestly curious. If France still recognizes Scientology as a benign religion, then it would seem very unusual of the French government to someone this way based on being a Scientologist. Have they reversed their position on Scientology or something?

France views Scientology as a dangerous cult. It is one of 200 organisations on a national watch list of organisation that pose a threat to the public. The organisation is regularly in court in France on charges of fraud and using illegal methods to gain new members. Quite a few Scientoligists are in jail in France for a various number of crimes. In most western European countries, Scientology is not recognised as a religion and has no tax exempt status. In Germany, Scientology is viewed with even more suspicion and a 2 year Federal investigation into the organisation came to the conclusion that Scientology's aims and practices are an active threat to Germany's democracy.

Sherwin · Jul 14, 2005, 08:10 AM

Interesting...

(http://www.apologeticsindex.org/france-00.html)

The French parliament yesterday adopted Europe's toughest anti-sect legislation yet, creating a controversial new crime of ''mental manipulation'' punishable by a maximum fine of £50,000 and five years imprisonment.

...

But the law's key weapon is the new crime of mental manipulation, defined as ''exercising, within a group whose activities are aimed at creating or exploiting psychological dependence, heavy and repeated pressure on a person, or using techniques likely to alter his judgment, so as to induce him to behave in a way prejudicial to his interests''

I'm guessing that this doesn't apply to the cult of the EU then?

Wiskedjak · Jul 14, 2005, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Interesting...

(http://www.apologeticsindex.org/france-00.html)

I'm guessing that this doesn't apply to the cult of the EU then?

That mental manipulation law, as worded, could be applied to almost any religion. See the "How does your religion fly" thread

Sherwin · Jul 14, 2005, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

That mental manipulation law, as worded, could be applied to almost any religion.

And advertising agencies.

budster101 · Jul 14, 2005, 10:55 AM

Didn't they ban the iPod commercials in France?...

Wiskedjak · Jul 14, 2005, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sherwin

And advertising agencies.

absolutely

Person Man · Jul 14, 2005, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by theolein

France views Scientology as a dangerous cult. It is one of 200 organisations on a national watch list of organisation that pose a threat to the public. The organisation is regularly in court in France on charges of fraud and using illegal methods to gain new members. Quite a few Scientoligists are in jail in France for a various number of crimes. In most western European countries, Scientology is not recognised as a religion and has no tax exempt status. In Germany, Scientology is viewed with even more suspicion and a 2 year Federal investigation into the organisation came to the conclusion that Scientology's aims and practices are an active threat to Germany's democracy.

Don't forget Greece! They threw them out of there, too.