[subego]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I am I guess more confident than Hitchens is that Warren is not going to suddenly blurt out something about all Jews and homosexuals going to hell.

I'm sure Rahm will have a few choice words with him about not going "off-book".

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I don't think it's fair, though, to take issue with Hitchen's criticism on the basis that if Warren believed otherwise, he wouldn't be a "real" Christian

I can't speak for shifuimam, but I don't think the issue is whether one is a "real" Christian, but how much of the Bible one is willing to shuffle under the rug.

As someone who wants to shuffle the entire Bible under the rug, Hitchens is making an inappropriately self-serving argument.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

because the spirit that you just described doesn't demand a "real" Christian (in the sense that shifuimam defines it) at all.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think that was why Warren was picked. It was because Warren, in effect, did the same thing (i.e. he disagreed with Obama on many things, but agreed with more, and urged his congregation to look past that and vote for him).

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Change of heart since April OldMan? Is that what this is; a concerted effort by Hitchens to slam Obama for whatever his reasons may be, justifiable or not? Granted, I find Warren's statements patently moronic, but I find it interesting that Wright gets some sort of benefit of the doubt in your opinion, but Warren does not.

What was missing from Warren's statements that makes the big difference here in your opinion, hatred against the US?

Yes, a little change of heart. I'm not as sold on Obama as I was before, as I think he's turning into just another Washington insider, judging by his choices for some of the positions available, and his backtracking on several issues. I still think he's a better choice than McCain, and we still have yet to see what he actually does, but he's leaving me a little cool right now.