[netgear]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Glad you went over there and sifted through those billions of tons of sand over there by yourself. Very consiencious of you.

No kidding.

I'm waiting to hear about where all the missing CW, BW, and warheads disappeared to. It was the UN that made a list, checked it twice, and found out that Saddam wasn't playing nice.

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by netgear:
No kidding.

I'm waiting to hear about where all the missing CW, BW, and warheads disappeared to. It was the UN that made a list, checked it twice, and found out that Saddam wasn't playing nice.

Time will tell.

[swrate]

Jumping into this thread again, to reply about Hitler's LEGAL accession to Power:


The Austrian Chancellor, Dollfuss was executed, amongst others. So democratically elected? With lies and power abuse.
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http://www.vex.net/~nizkor/hweb/imt/...01-07-02.shtml

http://www.mazal.org/archive/imt/02/IMT02-T355.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/1033454.stm


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nc...-aggression-03
from above link:

As Mr. Messersmith relates, at the beginning of the Nazi
regime in 1933 Germany was too weak to make open threats of
force against any country. It developed a policy of securing
its aims in Austria in the same manner as in Germanyby
obtaining a foothold in the Cabinet, particularly in the
Ministry of Interior which controls the police, and quickly
eliminating the opposition t. Mr. Messersmith states that
throughout his stay in Austria he was told on any number of
occasions by high official of the Austrian Government, including Chancellor Dollfuss, Chancellor Schuschnigg, and President Miklas, that the
German Government kept up constant pressure upon the
Austrian Government to appoint ministers with Nazi
orientation.

(2) Pressure Used, Including Terror and intimidation,
Culminating in the Unsuccessful Putsch of 25 July 1934. To
achieve their end the Nazis used various pressures. They
used economic pressure. The law of 24 March 1933 imposed a
prohibitive 1,000 reichsmark penalty on trips to Austria,
thus bringing hardship to Austria, which relied heavily on
its tourist trade (Reichsgesetzblatt 1933, I, 311). The
Nazis used propaganda. And they used terroristic acts,
primarily bombings.

Mr. Messersmith's affidavit (1760-PS) goes into some detail
with respect to these means. Although they were committed by
National Socialists in Austria, high Nazi officials in
Germany admitted to Mr. Messersmith that they were
instigating and directing these waves of terror in Austria.
They made no effort to conceal their use of terror, which
they justified on the ground that terror was a necessary
instrument to impose the will of the party not only in
Germany but in other countries. Mr. Messersmith recalls
specifically that General Milch of the Air Force stated that
the terrorism in Austria was being directed by the Nazi
Party in Berlin.

Mr. Messersmith points out that all these outrages were a
common occurrence. They had peaks and distinct periods, one
in mid-1933 and another in early 1934. He points out that
the wave of outrages in May and June 1934 diminished
markedly for a few days during the meeting of Hitler and
Mussolini in Venice, in mid-June 1934. (At that time
Mussolini was strongly supporting the Austrian Government
and interested in its independence.) Mr. Messersmith's
affidavit quotes extensively from dispatches sent from the
American Legation in Vienna to the State Department during
this period. These dispatches indicate that the terror was
often directed at Catholic Churches and institutions, and at
railways and tourist centers.

Mr. Messersmith also recalls that in addition, the Nazis
maintained a threat of violent action against Austria
through the "Austrian Legion." This was a para-military
force of several thousand men, armed by the Nazis in
Germany, and stationed in Germany near the Austrian border.
It included Austrian Nazis who fled from Austria after
committing crimes.

These terroristic activities of the Nazis in Austria
continued until July 25, 1934. On that day members of the
NSDA attempted a revolutionary putsch and killed Chancellor
Dollfuss. A message from Mr. Hadow, of the British Legation
in Vienna, to Sir. John Simon contains details of the putsch
(2985-PS). The official version of events given verbally by
the Austrian Government to the diplomatic Corps; as set
forth in this document, stated approximately a hundred men
attempting the putsch seized federal Chancellery. Chancellor
Dollfuss was wounded in trying to escape, being shot twice
at close quarters. The Radio Building the center of the town
was overwhelmed, and the announcer compelled to broadcast
the news that Dollfuss had resigned and Doctor Rintelen had
taken his place as Chancellor.

Although the putsch failed, the insurgents kept control of
the Chancellery Building and agreed to give it up only after
they had safe conduct to the German border. The insurgents
contacted Herman Minister, Dr. Rieth, by telephone, and
subsequently had private negotiations with him in the
building. At about 7:00 they yielded the building, but
Chancellor Dollfuss died about 7:00 p. m., not having had
the services of a doctor.

Note the frequent use of word terrorism.

From same link:

M. Dodd: "I think it will be clear one day that millions of
dollars and many arms have been pouring into Austria
since the spring of 1933. Once more the whole world is
condemning the Hitler regime. No people in all modern
history has been quite so unpopular as Nazi Germany.
This stroke completes the picture. I expect to read a
series of bitter denunciations in the American papers
when they arrive about ten days from now."

shiver, weapons able to pour in ....?
denunciations in 33,,,,
euh, how long did it take for an International reaction?

11 years.

The Rainer report tells of the disorganization of the Nazi
party in Austria and of its reconstitution. The second and
third paragraphs of the report state:

"Thus the first stage of battle commenced which ended
with the July rising of 1934. The decision for the July
rising was right, the execution of it was faulty. The
result was a complete destruction of the organization;
the loss of entire groups of fighters through
imprisonment or flight into the 'Alt-Reich'; and with
regard to tie political relationship of Germany to
Austria, a formal acknowledgment of the existence of
the Austrian State by the German Government. With the
telegram to PAPEN, instructing him to reinstitute
normal relationships between the two states, the
Fuehrer had liquidated the first stage of the battle;
and a new method of political penetration was to begin.
By order of the Fuehrer the landesleitung Munich was
dissolved, and the party in Austria was left to its own
resources.

For illegal semantic freaks :

The Rainer report sets forth the situation a little later in
1936:

"The principles of the construction of the organization
were: The organization is the bearer of the illegal
fight and the trustee of the idea to create a secret
organization, in a simple manner, and without
compromise, according to the principle of organization
an elite to be available to the illegal land-party
council upon any emergency. Besides this, all political
opportunities should be taken and all legal people and
legal chances should be used without revealing any ties with
the illegal organization. Therefore, cooperation
between the illegal party organization and the legal
political aides was anchored at the top of the party
leadership. All connections with the party in Germany
were kept secret in accordance with the orders of the
Fuehrer. These said that the German state should
officially be omitted from the creation of an Austrian
NSDAP; and that auxiliary centers for propaganda,
press, refugees, welfare, etc. should be established in
the foreign countries bordering Austria.

Secret orgnizations, long term operations, conspiracies....

sickening, sickening stuff.