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Originally Posted by wallinbl View Post
In terms of tight outfits, there's one that has a certain Mystique to it that can't be beat.

I know the one you're talking about...she was hot!
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I told my brother-in-law that it was going to be the best.

Best comic book movie? he asks.

No. The best.

Best movie...ever?

No, I say. The best.

Best what?

Best everything.

Huh?

The best movie, obviously, but more, so much more, I tell him. The best turkey sandwich you ever had will be The Dark Knight. The best sex of your life will be The Dark Knight. The best...well, you get the picture.
The best explanation! But no seriously, there will be no better Joker than Ledger.
     
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Originally Posted by keekeeree View Post
Heath's performance was amazing. The rest of the movie? Solid but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was the da-best-mostest-amazingly-koolio superhero movie EVAR.
I couldn't name a better one. Original Batman? No way. Original Batman sequels? Not a prayer. X-Men? Not quite there. Spider-Man? That one doesn't even deserve the comparison. Iron Man? OK, it was good, but it wasn't anywhere near as ambitious.

This was a really, really good movie. Everybody gave a strong performance (Katie Holmes turning down her part was a total coup). Heath Ledger's was the best, but that's good, because the movie revolves around the Joker. It's more about the Joker's determination to bring everybody down to his level than anything else. Personally, I thought Liam Neeson was the first movie's biggest weakness — he was a limp, generic, nothing-behind-the-eyes villain. If they'd skimped on the Joker the same way, this movie would have sucked hard.

In an unrelated tangent, this movie made me think of Memento more than any of Chris Nolan's other movies. It's sort of a "hey, let's explore this idea" kind of film.
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Jul 19, 2008, 05:26 PM
 
I have to see this movie....soon.
     
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Jul 19, 2008, 07:37 PM
 
Tried to go and see it today. All 10 show times were SOLD OUT.
     
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Jul 19, 2008, 09:18 PM
 
I, and everyone else in the theater, was breathless during most of the film. At one point I remember gripping the arms of my seat, wondering where the Joker was leading us. Heath conjured a truly menacing performance, perhaps the best portrait of villainy captured in this generation. He'll get an Academy nomination, there's no doubt in my mind.

Now, the only question is, will Daniel Day Lewis accept the role of Joker for the next film? I can't think of anyone else who is able to pull it off.

As an aside, the IMAX sequences were so striking and vivid they almost distracted me from the action on the screen. I'd pay $200, or more, to see the whole film in that format.
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Jul 19, 2008, 10:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Now, the only question is, will Daniel Day Lewis accept the role of Joker for the next film? I can't think of anyone else who is able to pull it off.
Javier Bardem.

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Jul 19, 2008, 11:21 PM
 
Too beefy.

Hey, Depp would be neat.
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Jul 20, 2008, 12:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Now, the only question is, will Daniel Day Lewis accept the role of Joker for the next film?
Nah, I don't think Daniel Day Lewis does movies that aren't flagrant Oscarbation.

Besides, it's not guaranteed that there will really be a third film in this series (there might be another Batman, but will it be a Christopher Nolan Batman?), and I think it's unlikely Nolan would use the Joker in two films in a row even if Heath were still alive. This movie was about anarchy and how common evil is, and the Joker represented that — if there is another movie, it will be about something else.
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Too beefy.

Hey, Depp would be neat.
I almost threw up in my mouth. Next you'll suggest Tim Burton to direct.

As far as another movie, they didn't really leave a sequel clue wide open like the end of batman begins. I wonder where they'll go from here. If they go anywhere.
     
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa View Post
Tried to go and see it today. All 10 show times were SOLD OUT.
Opening weekend... only the second day.... almost all critics give it ..... of course it's going to be sold out! haha I bought my ticket as soon as I got out of work for the 8pm showing. I usually hate siting in a packed room with all the people yelling and their damn cell phones going off. But the big crowed did make the viewing experience so much better. I'll probably see it a couple times more before the pull it from the theaters.

You'll probably have to skip a day of work to see it. Call in sick.
     
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I almost threw up in my mouth. Next you'll suggest Tim Burton to direct.
He had his chance(s), ugh.
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I almost threw up in my mouth. Next you'll suggest Joel Schumacher to direct.
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I couldn't name a better one. Original Batman? No way. Original Batman sequels? Not a prayer. X-Men? Not quite there. Spider-Man? That one doesn't even deserve the comparison. Iron Man? OK, it was good, but it wasn't anywhere near as ambitious.

This was a really, really good movie. Everybody gave a strong performance (Katie Holmes turning down her part was a total coup). Heath Ledger's was the best, but that's good, because the movie revolves around the Joker. It's more about the Joker's determination to bring everybody down to his level than anything else. Personally, I thought Liam Neeson was the first movie's biggest weakness — he was a limp, generic, nothing-behind-the-eyes villain. If they'd skimped on the Joker the same way, this movie would have sucked hard.
The more I think about this movie, the more I think I may have underrated how good it was. This could arguably be the best superhero movie made. I think my original misperception comes from just how bloody brilliant Heath plays the Joker.

Without a doubt, the rest of the movie is great, but Ledger's performance made me want the rest of the movie to be as brilliant as he was, and it wasn't.
     
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Jul 20, 2008, 11:38 AM
 
I thought this movie was setting things up for 2 Face to be the bad guy in the next film.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
I thought this movie was setting things up for 2 Face to be the bad guy in the next film.
 
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The reviews I read mentioned it. I guess other people weren't sure if he was dead either.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
I thought this movie was setting things up for 2 Face to be the bad guy in the next film.
 
     
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anyone else see

 
     
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Jul 20, 2008, 01:29 PM
 
I remember seeing something from Nolan that said no Robin in his films.
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I remember seeing something from Nolan that said no Robin in his films.
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Jul 20, 2008, 03:18 PM
 
Unless it was Jason Todd and we get to see Joker beat him to death with a crowbar.
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I also liked the Jim Gordon arc. Lots of good performances but Gary Oldman was also able to dive into the character so well.

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Jul 20, 2008, 09:40 PM
 
Saw it last night, and am left thinking about it a lot today. I think Heath's Joker set a bar that's higher than Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal, as far as portraying a complete psychotic is concerned. The writing for the character was well done of course, but Heath had a conviction in the role that, for me anyway, made it convincing in a disturbing sort of way.

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Jul 20, 2008, 10:07 PM
 
One drawback to the movie: the Batman voice sucks. It sucked in Batman Begins and it's still around.
     
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Originally Posted by wallinbl View Post
One drawback to the movie: the Batman voice sucks. It sucked in Batman Begins and it's still around.
Agreed on that point. Bale needs to work on that.
     
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I wish they'd go back to the mask/suit from 89 Batman, with the exception of the yellow bat symbol.
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Originally Posted by wallinbl View Post
One drawback to the movie: the Batman voice sucks. It sucked in Batman Begins and it's still around.
I liked it in the first one, but I didn't think it worked as well in this one. I think it's good at getting across the kind of fierce, scary mofo Batman is trying to be (like in that "Swear to me!" scene from Batman Begins), but it's primarily good for one-line commands and exclamations. It doesn't work quite as well for Batman having lengthy conversations.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
I liked it in the first one, but I didn't think it worked as well in this one. I think it's good at getting across the kind of fierce, scary mofo Batman is trying to be (like in that "Swear to me!" scene from Batman Begins), but it's primarily good for one-line commands and exclamations. It doesn't work quite as well for Batman having lengthy conversations.
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Originally Posted by keekeeree View Post
The more I think about this movie, the more I think I may have underrated how good it was. This could arguably be the best superhero movie made. I think my original misperception comes from just how bloody brilliant Heath plays the Joker.

Without a doubt, the rest of the movie is great, but Ledger's performance made me want the rest of the movie to be as brilliant as he was, and it wasn't.
I think it is unquestionably the best superhero movie ever made. It really is operating on an entirely different level than anything in that genre. In fact, that's the only way it might not be the best "superhero movie," by virtue of the fact that it really isn't a superhero movie at all.
     
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I almost threw up in my mouth. Next you'll suggest Michael Bay to direct.
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Jul 21, 2008, 02:50 AM
 
Just saw it as a double feature with The journey to the Center of the Earth.

Yes, awesome movie. I agree that most of the awesomeness was due to the joker both as a character and specifically Ledger's performance. Without him it would have been merely great.

I do have a couple of tiny complaints: The bat suit was merely OK and the cowl was terrible.

I wish it would have taken place a little longer after the first one so that we could have a proper mansion/batcave.

An new and more specifically "designed for batman" batmobile would have been nice.

I didn't care for the Rachel Dawes character and though I'm glad they didn't use that stupid bitch from the first movie, I'm happy to see where they took her character.

Now Journey on the other hand…not so great. It's ok, but I can't imagine paying to see it on purpose.
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The Dark Knight set a new opening weekend record earning $155.3 million. That beats the previous record held by Spiderman 3.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2...658682000.html

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Originally Posted by Stogieman View Post
The Dark Knight set a new opening weekend record earning $155.3 million. That beats the previous record held by Spiderman 3.
In dollars, but not tickets. We just paid more this time.
     
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Originally Posted by wallinbl View Post
In dollars, but not tickets. We just paid more this time.
Something seems a little off about this "average price of tickets" math. I mean, for one, how do they figure that? And besides, you'd expect movie prices to be elastic, so if the same number of people are going to see something at a higher price, that would be as impressive as more people at a lower price.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
Something seems a little off about this "average price of tickets" math. I mean, for one, how do they figure that? And besides, you'd expect movie prices to be elastic, so if the same number of people are going to see something at a higher price, that would be as impressive as more people at a lower price.
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"(Katie Holmes turning down her part was a total coup)'

A coup for whom? Super Adventure Club?

Gale Harold (played Brian Kinney on the American Version of Queer as Folk) would have been my pick, but then, Heath did a stellar job.

     
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I think the movie can be summed up on three words:

Disappearing Pencil Trick

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"(Katie Holmes turning down her part was a total coup)'

A coup for whom?
Filmgoers everywhere?
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I almost threw up in my mouth. Next you'll suggest Tim Burton to direct.

As far as another movie, they didn't really leave a sequel clue wide open like the end of batman begins. I wonder where they'll go from here. If they go anywhere.
I haven't seen the film, but there's a post on Cinematical about "Who should Batman fight next?"

Spoilers ahead so...

 

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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I think the movie can be summed up on three words:

Disappearing Pencil Trick

Fantastic scene.
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Javier Bardem.
Was thinking about this, how about Javier as Bane?
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Originally Posted by wallinbl View Post
In dollars, but not tickets. We just paid more this time.
Nope, It appears the original estimate was lower than expected.

"On Sunday, Warner Bros. Pictures estimated that The Dark Knight had earned $155.3 million its opening weekend. Turns out, that was low! The final figures show that Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins follow-up took in a record-breaking $158.4 million over the Friday-to-Sunday frame!!!, easily beating the $151.1 million opening of Spider-Man 3 in May 2007.

One of the big reasons for the lower estimate was that the studio expected the movie to do about $39.4 million on Sunday but in actuality it received about $43 million, again beating Spider-Man 3's previous record of $39.9 million for the day."

Variety Article

I think this sums it up quite nicely.


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Jul 21, 2008, 05:36 PM
 
I just saw it. It was great -- much, much better than the last one. Ledger was excellent, masterful even! Bale as Batman? Not so much. His Bruce Wayne has improved since Begins, but his Batman is even worse. That voice is godawful! It was seriously like nails on a chalkboard every time he spoke. Why would they do that?

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I couldn't name a better one. Original Batman? No way. Original Batman sequels? Not a prayer. X-Men? Not quite there. Spider-Man? That one doesn't even deserve the comparison. Iron Man? OK, it was good, but it wasn't anywhere near as ambitious.
AFAIC, Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are much better. They nailed the character in every important way. Bale's Batman is just too stiff for me; he's the weak link.

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Movie was good. For some reason, the Watchmen trailer got me so excited that I couldn't help but wander at times. Seriously, one of my favorite trailers of all time.

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Originally Posted by lavar78 View Post
I just saw it. It was great -- much, much better than the last one. Ledger was excellent, masterful even! Bale as Batman? Not so much. His Bruce Wayne has improved since Begins, but his Batman is even worse. That voice is godawful! It was seriously like nails on a chalkboard every time he spoke. Why would they do that?
I don't think it's horrible. I'm just impressed Bale can speak any other normal lines in the movie after harshing his vocal cords like that.
     
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Sigh.

For me, this film joins Hellboy II and The Hulk as more disappointments of the summer.

Having said that, it wasn't a bad film per se; Ledger was awesomely fantastic for one. Bale disappointed me, both as Wayne and Batman (he just seemed incredibly wooden, and that stupid voice drives me nuts). Harvey Dent was good, but his Two-Face CGI/mask/outfit was just too over-the-top cheesy for me, especially when compared to the genius horror of The Joker's getup. As well, for the first time I noticed a penchant for Nolan to interject cheesy one-liners from bit players: e.g. some random cop yells "Ohhhhh this is not good! This is NOT GOOD!" as the copter wipes out (oh really?). I expect that brand of blockbuster humor from Michael Bay, not Nolan.

But for me, it was that Nolan just tried to pack way too many issues into the movie, and its already-long 2.5-hours couldn't hold it:

1. The random Scarecrow sighting at the beginning (wtf?!)
2. Fake Batmen problem
3. Chinese crime lord / Hong Kong sequence
4. Joker appearing, taking over crime lords, war with Batman
6. Harvey Dent-Rachel-Bruce Wayne triangle
7. Death of Gordon (what did happen there anyway?! It didn't make sense when he died, but his re-appearance was completely random. Dude got shot. Dude pops up again 20 minutes later and we have no idea what happened to him in the meantime, other than he was faking somehow?)
8. The whole issue of Lucius Fox getting uncomfortable with Wayne's obsession and leaving the fold.
9. Rachel's death
10. Dent's transformation into Two-Face

On that note, the script itself was a little convoluted at times, seeming as though some edits had left things out somehow. The Joker's continual and random mass destruction was also pretty random; dude plainly cannot hide anywhere on earth without being recognized, but somehow can rig about a hundred bombs to completely blow up an entire hospital, and kidnap almost a hundred people to use as fake hostages on some random half-completed skyscraper project. (?!?)

I dunno, I don't have much of a coherent argument here I know. I just came out of the theatre thinking that I was in there a freakin' long time, and that if the Joker hadn't been scaring my ass to death all over the place I would've been bored as hell and maybe a little annoyed.

That could be just me. As a general rule, I hate overly dramatic films. That's why I like Nolan; even blockbusters like Batman Begins and The Prestige didn't go overboard with self-indulgent drama. I think this is his first movie that's done exactly that, and I don't like it.

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Sorry you got lost, it all made perfect sense to me.


Easily the best film of the year, so far.
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