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Sep 6, 2008, 12:20 AM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
No, but I don't read stuff that draws the OBVIOUS conclusions.

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Nor I. In my experience most media outlets draw ridiculous and feeble minded conclusions.
     
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Sep 6, 2008, 12:30 AM
 
Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
Just look at the difference between, say, US Weekly's treatment of Michelle Obama versus Palin.



The fawning Newsweek covers:


The day when the NYT had three front-page stories on Palin's daughter's pregnancy. You would never see the WSJ make such a blatant attempt to smear a Democrat with that type of story.

We all know the media is in bed with Obama, the funny, or sad, thing is that Democrats won't even admit to it, like they are somehow ashamed of it. At least we on the right own up to those segments of the press that are friendly towards us. Liberals just pretend that there is no bias whatsoever on, say, MSNBC, or in the NYT.
you missed this one, from the same people who run US magazine


here's a cover we'll never see
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Sep 6, 2008, 12:50 AM
 
You think Sarah Palin and the entire Republican party are not railing against the media?

Virtually unknown she announces her candidacy, a little later she mentions her pregnant daughter and then she disappeared to let the media do the talking.

Do you really think this speech would have had this many viewers if she had been introduced earlier and through a regular campaign? She was unknown but was a household name before she took the stage for her pit bull speech. Don't you think you have the media to thank for that? Do you think that was not calculated?
Bring it out and bring it out early and then try to shut everybody up when the unleashed storm rages. You think that was not the plan behind this launch strategy of an abstinence-only mom with a pregnant daughter?
     
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Sep 6, 2008, 01:43 AM
 
Conservatives read Rolling Stone? Sex, drugs, and rock & roll. Yeah Baby! It's like blaming MacNN for gearing toward the Mac base and not covering enough about PCs and Windows.

Other fine covers:




Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
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Sep 6, 2008, 09:02 AM
 
Originally Posted by lurkalot View Post
You think Sarah Palin and the entire Republican party are not railing against the media?
No, some of them have given up knowing media is a lost-cause.

Virtually unknown she announces her candidacy, a little later she mentions her pregnant daughter and then she disappeared to let the media do the talking.
I love "unknown". You have to be an old-guard politician to have a shot. That's change alright. It is fairly typical for the running mate to remain relatively silent until their speech for acceptance. That's what the convention is for. I'm sure they'd have been perfectly happy not to have mentioned the "pregnancy" at all.

Do you really think this speech would have had this many viewers if she had been introduced earlier and through a regular campaign?
Aren't you just upset with the fact that the McCain campaign did something right? Honestly. I think if you seek a little introspect here, you'd just have to admit that all things political are calculated.

She was unknown but was a household name before she took the stage for her pit bull speech. Don't you think you have the media to thank for that? Do you think that was not calculated?
It's called campaign management. Of course it's friggin' calculated. This is a bad thing or just when it doesn't work out for ya? I mean, what's the problem here? Of course the media are going to cover her, she's a dynamic personality and an even more dynamic speaker who may very well be the first female Vice President of the United States. Even the media knows what food smells like. I mean we could talk about Biden's son and brother involved in a scandal of a deal involving millions going south. We could talk about Obama's attendance at multiple Socialist Conferences. Did Obama just let these come out early and often so they'd be tired by the time we go to the polling places?

Again, you make it sound like Obi-Wan Kenobi is behind the Republican-favoring media machine.

Bring it out and bring it out early and then try to shut everybody up when the unleashed storm rages. You think that was not the plan behind this launch strategy of an abstinence-only mom with a pregnant daughter?
Obama was the one who requested that they leave her personal situations alone. Is Obama part of the calculated McCain campaign machine?

Now don't just bail out and post like you don't see the above question. Face the intellectual challenges head on lurkalot. This isn't a career you're trying to protect, it is an internet forum. Is Obama part of the McCain campaign? If Palin managed to persuade Obama that these issues are off limits, why aren't you persuaded?
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Sep 7, 2008, 02:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Conservatives read Rolling Stone? Sex, drugs, and rock & roll.
I used to read High Times as well. They say a picture is worth a thousand word and thus end the thread
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Sep 7, 2008, 02:43 AM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
I love "unknown". You have to be an old-guard politician to have a shot.
I wouldn't hire somebody with zero experience and no portfolio to be a designer. Why do you have lower expectations for the leader of the free world?
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Sep 7, 2008, 02:52 AM
 
Which is why, among other reasons, Barack Obama makes zero sense.

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Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
Which is why, among other reasons, Barack Obama makes zero sense.
Indeed, and if Barack Obama had shut himself in a closet for the past year, I imagine you'd be seeing McCain vs. Hillary threads here instead. But Obama has always been pretty communicative. Heck, one of the big media controversies surrounding him led to his "More Perfect Union" speech, which you have to admit was pretty darn good. His lack of experience is troubling, but he at least seems to be making an effort to help people get to know him. Going back to the job interview comparison, that's exactly what you'd want to do if you were a bit green bit still felt qualified. It's kind of disappointing if Palin does the opposite.
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Sep 7, 2008, 04:12 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
I used to read High Times as well. They say a picture is worth a thousand word and thus end the thread
What?

If today's New York TImes where in charge in 1943.

We Do The Thinking For Your

All the News That Fits Our Agenda


Chongo, you came up with all that yourself? Wow, why do you hate Jews so much?
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Sep 7, 2008, 07:41 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
I wouldn't hire somebody with zero experience and no portfolio to be a designer. Why do you have lower expectations for the leader of the free world?
This question is a little ironic in light of Obama. Brilliantly written and delivered speeches aside, it is the lack of good experience and the wealth of questionable experience that comprise the expectations I've developed for the next leader of the free world.

In short, our choices suck.
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Sep 7, 2008, 08:36 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
I used to read High Times as well. They say a picture is worth a thousand word and thus end the thread
You understand that this is a made-up cover right?. Right?
     
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Originally Posted by villalobos View Post
You understand that this is a made-up cover right?. Right?
Yes, but why was it made?
Why did Chongo use it?

Because it makes a point - the NYT of today blames the victims, whether they be Jews, America, the West, and sides with their enemies, whether it be Hamas, the PLO, HizbAllah, Fatah, Al-Sadr, etc. by writing headlines not so dissimilar in character about today's events as the ones in that parody image. Shoot, they even let the terrorists (because that is the correct word) write editorials.

Of course, this is nothing new for the NYT - see Walter Duranty, who won a pulitzer prize for his lies about Stalin.

"There is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be."
--New York Times, Nov. 15, 1931, page 1

"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda."
--New York Times, August 23, 1933

"Enemies and foreign critics can say what they please. Weaklings and despondents at home may groan under the burden, but the youth and strength of the Russian people is essentially at one with the Kremlin's program, believes it worthwhile and supports it, however hard be the sledding."
--New York Times, December 9, 1932, page 6

"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."
--New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18

"There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition."
--New York Times, March 31, 1933, page 13

("An American Engineer in Stalin's Russia: The Memoirs of Zara Witkin, 1932-1934," University of California
Press ). The memoirist describes an evening during which the Moscow correspondents were discussing how to get out the story about the Stalin-made Russian famine. To get around the censorship, the UP's Eugene Lyons was telephoning the dire news of the famine to his New York office but the was ordered to stop because it was antagonizing the Kremlin. Ralph Barnes, the New York Herald Tribune reporter, turned to Duranty and asked him what he was going to write. Duranty replied:

"Nothing. What are a few million dead Russians in a situation like this? Quite unimportant. This is just an incident in the sweeping historical changes here. I think the entire matter is exaggerated."

And this was at a time when peasants in Ukraine were dying of starvation at the rate of 25,000 a day.

This is the New York Times, paper of record, light to the world of journalism, then and now.
     
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Sep 7, 2008, 01:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by villalobos View Post
You understand that this is a made-up cover right?. Right?
It is from www.thepeoplescube.com

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Sep 7, 2008, 02:04 PM
 
Another one from the cube. The Times has engaged in activities that during WWII would have got them shut down. Once WWII was over, and the Mother Russia was no longer in danger of being destroyed, the media turned it sights on the west and a blind eye to anything that was done behind the Iron Curtain
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
another from the cube.

Jesus, Chongo.

Way to give the image resizer a hernia.
     
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Sep 7, 2008, 02:58 PM
 
What does posting sh*t from thepeoplescube prove? That you are bias Chongo and see things that are not there?

How does posting a fake made up paper end the whole discussion? You are brilliant.
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
What does posting sh*t from thepeoplescube prove? That you are bias Chongo and see things that are not there?

How does posting a fake made up paper end the whole discussion? You are brilliant.
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Sep 7, 2008, 11:07 PM
 
Well it looks like NBC has had enough with The Obama boys, Matthews and Olberman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/bu...nt&oref=slogin
September 8, 2008
MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat
By BRIAN STELTER

MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

“The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.
"perceived" shift? I read it was intentional. I was expecting a fist fight the other night when Joe S. went off on the others on the set.
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Sep 8, 2008, 09:18 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Another one from the cube. The Times has engaged in activities that during WWII would have got them shut down. Once WWII was over, and the Mother Russia was no longer in danger of being destroyed, the media turned it sites on the west and a blind eye to anything that was done behind the Iron Curtain
Uh, you realize that's either satire or idiocy, right? A critical quote from George Orwell about how one should not 'hamper the war effort' doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight outside a satirical context.

The Times hasn't engaged in ****. If they're publishing 'classified' or 'sensitive' information, that means that someone is leaking it to them. The person doing the leaking is the one who is both violating whatever agreement allowed them to become privy to said information and potentially threatening the security of the country. If they didn't go to the Times, or the Times didn't publish it, they'd just take it somewhere else. In other words, if the Times can find out about it, it isn't much of a secret.
     
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Originally Posted by nonhuman View Post
Uh, you realize that's either satire or idiocy, right? A critical quote from George Orwell about how one should not 'hamper the war effort' doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight outside a satirical context.

The Times hasn't engaged in ****. If they're publishing 'classified' or 'sensitive' information, that means that someone is leaking it to them. The person doing the leaking is the one who is both violating whatever agreement allowed them to become privy to said information and potentially threatening the security of the country. If they didn't go to the Times, or the Times didn't publish it, they'd just take it somewhere else. In other words, if the Times can find out about it, it isn't much of a secret.
Then it is fine with you if someone leaks 'classified' or 'sensitive' information and the Times prints it, because it is not a secret anymore? Then why the fuss over Valerie Plame? It was no secret she worked for the CIA, anyone hitting the DC cocktail circuit heard it from Joe Wilson himself.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Then it is fine with you if someone leaks 'classified' or 'sensitive' information and the Times prints it, because it is not a secret anymore? Then why the fuss over Valerie Plame? It was no secret she worked for the CIA, anyone hitting the DC cocktail circuit heard it from Joe Wilson himself.
My point is that the Times are not the ones we should be angry with. The Congressman or whoever it was that leaked the sensitive information in the first place are the ones we should be angry with it. It might even be a good think that the Times printed it because at least that we we're aware that we've got a security leak and that the info is out there. Who knows what other people might also have the info, but at least since the Times printed it we won't be caught unawares when it turns out that it was also leaked to someone else.

It is the responsibility of the New York Times, and of all news outlets, to report on important information. It is also the right of all people to know what their government is doing.
     
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Sep 23, 2008, 12:05 AM
 
Ok, the Tina Fey, Amy Pohler skit was funny, but this time SNL has gone way over the line.
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2FeXguJcZ2AXIMchC
The middle of the skit was an attempt to make the Times reporters look ignorant of things not of NY, but does not excuse the beginning and end of the skit. If SNL had done a skit accusing Bill Clinton of the same thing (come on, It’s Arkansas ) heads would have rolled.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Ok, the Tina Fey, Amy Pohler skit was funny

You have a gift for understatement. Fey hit a grand slam.

I was amazed to see something that good from that PoS show. It was one of those "Joe Cocker" moments.

Fey imitated Palin better than Palin can imitate herself.

From now on, when people do imitations of Palin, they'll be doing imitations of Fey imitating Palin.


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If SNL had done a skit accusing Bill Clinton of the same thing (come on, It’s Arkansas ) heads would have rolled.

Meh.

It was a poorly constructed joke (big surprise there), but it was supposed to be outrageous, that was the gag.

You're talking about an "accusation" that had a guy being eaten by a polar bear and then struck by lightning as a lead-in.

Now, when Robin Williams, imitating Ronald Reagan, called Jack Kemp "light in the loafers" or somesuch, that was going overboard.

Either way, taking SNL this seriously can't be good for the blood pressure.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
You're talking about an "accusation" that had a guy being eaten by a polar bear and then struck by lightning as a lead-in.
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k2FeXguJcZ2AXIMchC
Did you watch the skit? The first reporter wanted to know if she was ever a member of of golf club that didn't admit women. The second reporter asks this question:
“What about the husband? You know he’s doing those daughters. I mean, come on. It’s Alaska.”
The final shot is a mock Times page with these banners:
“While No Direct Evidence of Incest in Palin Family Emerges, Counter Evidence Remains Agonizingly Elusive” and “In a Small Alaska Town, Doubts Still Linger.”
Lets switch this around. Would it still be meh if they said:
“What about the husband? You know he’s doing that daughter. I mean, come on. It’s Arkansas.”
and
“While No Direct Evidence of Incest in Clinton Family Emerges, Counter Evidence Remains Agonizingly Elusive” and “In a Small Arkansas Town, Doubts Still Linger.”
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Sep 23, 2008, 10:23 AM
 
The correct parallel you're looking for is Gore. Gore was the VP nominee.

I seem to recall a Top 10 list Wayne & Garth compiled about things they were looking forward to in the Clinton Presidency. #2 on the list was the Gore daughters. I can't tell you how risque what was said though – that specific part of the list has been curiously edited out of the syndicated broadcast. Guess they crossed the line back then too.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
The correct parallel you're looking for is Gore. Gore was the VP nominee.

I seem to recall a Top 10 list Wayne & Garth compiled about things they were looking forward to in the Clinton Presidency. #2 on the list was the Gore daughters. I can't tell you how risque what was said though – that specific part of the list has been curiously edited out of the syndicated broadcast. Guess they crossed the line back then too.
The Clinton choice is based on the oft floated rumor that Biden is going to step aside after the VP debate and Hillary will join the ticket, bill being the husband of the VP candidate.
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Sep 23, 2008, 10:28 AM
 
The parallel still falls flat as one is a random dude from Alaska and the other is a former President.

I mean, of course, they're gonna show a former President more courtesy than some random yokel.
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
If SNL had done a skit accusing Bill Clinton of the same thing (come on, It’s Arkansas ) heads would have rolled.
Spare the outrage. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of similar jokes about Bill Clinton and Arkansas in last 16 years. I can't point to any from SNL but I'm sure they existed, along with those on Leno, Letterman, etc. I likely made some myself.

Add to that, the joke was clearly meant to be at the expense of the ignorant New York Times reporters, not Alaskans.
     
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Sep 23, 2008, 10:54 AM
 
Cheney apologizes for West Va. incest joke:

http://www.newser.com/story/29049/ch...cest-joke.html

I'm sure there are more out there. Get over it.
     
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Sep 23, 2008, 11:05 AM
 
Another:

"Gay rights groups are calling for Santorum's resignation because he compared homosexuality to bigamy, polygamy, adultery and incest. It's not just the gay groups who are insulted. The Mormons are insulted because he included polygamy, Congress was insulted because he included adultery, and Arkansas was insulted because he included incest." —Jay Leno
     
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Sep 23, 2008, 12:02 PM
 
Spare the outrage. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of similar jokes about Bill Clinton and Arkansas in last 16 years. I can't point to any from SNL but I'm sure they existed, along with those on Leno, Letterman, etc. I likely made some myself.

Add to that, the joke was clearly meant to be at the expense of the ignorant New York Times reporters, not Alaskans.
Then why throw in the accusation of incest? SNL could have done the same skit without it.


The Cheney joke was about his own family.
"I had Cheneys on both sides of the family, and we don't even live in West Virginia."
That would be accusing Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt and FDR of incest because they were 5th cousins. The other was by Jay Leno
In the examples you have given, no was accused of incest. Todd Palin is not some "random dude", but the spouse of a current nominee for VPOTUS
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Then why throw in the accusation of incest? SNL could have done the same skit without it.
The reference was unnecessary and tasteless, but every joke in the sketch was about how clueless the NYT staff was. You have to really want to see an partisan attack on Palin here to be outraged on partisan grounds. It wasn't tastelss anti-Palin/Republican/God fearing Americans joke, it was just a tasteless joke. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NYT!
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The Cheney joke was about his own family.
That would be accusing Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt and FDR of incest because they were 5th cousins.
You've never heard an FDR incest joke? Really?
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The other was by Jay Leno
So?
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In the examples you have given, no was accused of incest. Todd Palin is not some "random dude", but the spouse of a current nominee for VPOTUS
I'm not going to take the time to search for every hillbilly stereotype joke made at the Clinton's expense over the years, but it's non-sense to claim they were never made.

And what about John McCain's Chelsey Clinton Joke?
Originally Posted by John McCain
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
Is this the kind of "tasteful" humor you support?
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
The reference was unnecessary and tasteless, but every joke in the sketch was about how clueless the NYT staff was. You have to really want to see an partisan attack on Palin here to be outraged on partisan grounds. It wasn't tastelss anti-Palin/Republican/God fearing Americans joke, it was just a tasteless joke. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NYT!
Then why highlight the incest "joke" the end of the skit? (Winning the Pulitzer, and showing a mock Times page)
You've never heard an FDR incest joke? Really?
Really? By who? BTW, please inform Charlie Rangel that FDR was disabled.

I'm not going to take the time to search for every hillbilly stereotype joke made at the Clinton's expense over the years, but it's non-sense to claim they were never made.
Jeff Foxworthy has mad a career out redneck jokes, and that is not the same as accusing someone of incest.

And what about John McCain's Chelsey Clinton Joke?

Is this the kind of "tasteful" humor you support?
No, and he was called out on the carpet for it.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Then why highlight the incest "joke" the end of the skit? (Winning the Pulitzer, and showing a mock Times page)
Do you really not understand that, however tasteless and poorly executed, the joke was at the expense of the NYT?
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Really? By who? BTW, please inform Charlie Rangel that FDR was disabled.
I honestly can't cite any. However, I know I've heard them. Usually in the same vein of ugly, lesbian Elanor jokes. I'll have to take you at your word that you've never heard one. As for the Rangel thing, I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the reference.
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Jeff Foxworthy has mad a career out redneck jokes, and that is not the same as accusing someone of incest.
They did not accuse anyone of incest. It was presented as an ridiculous accusation with no basis in fact. Did you actually watch the skit?
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No, and he was called out on the carpet for it.
And at the time, most people had the good sense to call it what it was, a stupid, tasteless insensitive joke. Not a vast right-wing conspiracy.
     
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As for the Rangel thing, I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvovJ1Q-Ogg

They did not accuse anyone of incest. It was presented as an ridiculous accusation with no basis in fact. Did you actually watch the skit?
Several times. I provided a link to the skit. It changed, but in case you missed it here is the permalink: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6u...slur-on-p_news
“What about the husband? You know he’s doing those daughters. I mean, come on. It’s Alaska.” (everyone nods in agreement) He very well could be. Admittedly there is no evidence of that, but on the other hand there is no convincing evidence to the contrary, and these are some of the lingering questions about Gov. Palin.
Sounds like one to me.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Sounds like one to me.
So are you also up in arms about them of accusing Alaska of being overrun by Polar Bears? And having no Thai Takeout? Or cars with automatic transmissions? Or cabs? Of course not, because that would be silly. It makes much more sense to get your panties in a wad just one of the patently ridiculous claims in the skit and call it partisan.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
So are you also up in arms about them of accusing Alaska of being overrun by Polar Bears? And having no Thai Takeout? Or cars with automatic transmissions? Or cabs? Of course not, because that would be silly. It makes much more sense to get your panties in a wad just one of the patently ridiculous claims in the skit and call it partisan.
No, again it shows their ignorance of things not of NY(or LA), and that was what the skit was supposed to be about. There was no need to hurl the incest accusations at Todd Palin. If this had been a skit done on MADtv about National Review sending reporters into Chicago to investigate the messiah and was in the same vein, I doubt those on the left would be saying it was just a comedy skit. And why did NBC pull it from their website?

BTW, That would be cars without automatic transmissions.
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Most all the stuff mentioned..fodder for comedy. Incest? There's really nothing funny about incest. What's next, jokes about the holocaust?
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Most all the stuff mentioned..fodder for comedy. Incest? There's really nothing funny about incest. What's next, jokes about the holocaust?
Of course the defense will be; "but it was just a stupid thing to say. It didn't mean anything else." Personally, I'm waiting for a little common sense to prevail.
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Most all the stuff mentioned..fodder for comedy. Incest? There's really nothing funny about incest. What's next, jokes about the holocaust?

It almost sounds like incest jokes are new to you or something.
     
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It almost sounds like incest jokes are new to you or something.
They are, when targeted to a specific person. I really don't think that's something you even joke about.
     
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Most all the stuff mentioned..fodder for comedy. Incest? There's really nothing funny about incest. What's next, jokes about the holocaust?
You've seriously never heard inbreeding talk about hicks and/or royalty before? I don't know what to tell you, but they're certainly not new. I think you need to lighten up a little.

OK, I don't like Palin, but I'm not for mudslinging against her either. But this isn't mudslinging, it's plain humor. The whole point of that skit is that the reporters are idiots. They're just trying to dream up scandals. One of them suggested Palin might have been a member of a men-only golf club, despite the fact that it's impossible. If the skit is attacking anything, it's the state of journalism.
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You've seriously never heard inbreeding talk about hicks and/or royalty before? I don't know what to tell you, but they're certainly not new. I think you need to lighten up a little.

OK, I don't like Palin, but I'm not for mudslinging against her either. But this isn't mudslinging, it's plain humor. The whole point of that skit is that the reporters are idiots. They're just trying to dream up scandals. One of them suggested Palin might have been a member of a men-only golf club, despite the fact that it's impossible. If the skit is attacking anything, it's the state of journalism.
Inbreeding is a lot different from incest. Royal inbreeding is a historical fact.
So, if next week's skit is about Obama(like that is going to happen), and a similar "joke" is made, will it still be comedy?
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Inbreeding is a lot different from incest. Royal inbreeding is a historical fact.
So, if next week's skit is about Obama(like that is going to happen), and a similar "joke" is made, will it still be comedy?
It would still be bad, tasteless comedy yes. But then again, I didn't get worked up about the New Yorker cover either. Or the constant B. HUSSEIN Obama references on this board. I guess I'm just no wound as tight as you. Relax, you'll live longer.
     
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Inbreeding is a lot different from incest. Royal inbreeding is a historical fact.
Inbreeding is incest + babies. And inbreeding in small, rural towns is a historical fact as well, as well as children being sexually active at a young age. (I say that as somebody whose family mostly comes from such towns. We all know it happened there.)

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So, if next week's skit is about Obama(like that is going to happen), and a similar "joke" is made, will it still be comedy?
Honestly, did you watch the skit? It's not at Palin's expense. At all. So even if there were a candidate I happened to be really attached to (which there isn't), a skit like that would not bother me one whit. If they did a skit about Obama with a bunch of Fox News reporters going, "I bet he's a suicide bomber!" "I hear he's a drug dealer on the side!" "We shouldn't elect him because he'll get shot his first day in office!" I wouldn't be upset. I'd go, "Hey, they've got Fox News pegged!"
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You've seriously never heard inbreeding talk about hicks and/or royalty before? I don't know what to tell you, but they're certainly not new. I think you need to lighten up a little.
I've heard jokes about inbreeding. Most are tasteless but aren't targeted to a specific person. Given the false rumors made up about Palin, and the surrounding circumstances, I don't think specifically joking that Todd Palin is having sex with his daughters is particularly funny (or a coincidence) or in the same league with non-specific jesting that a particular area of the country engages in inbreeding. It's sort of sad that they'd have to sink to that level to get a laugh out of a partisan audience. I think there was about 2,000 other things they could have suggested which would have been as funny or funnier, and not brought his kids into the picture.
     
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Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
Inbreeding is incest + babies. And inbreeding in small, rural towns is a historical fact as well, as well as children being sexually active at a young age. (I say that as somebody whose family mostly comes from such towns. We all know it happened there.)


Honestly, did you watch the skit? It's not at Palin's expense. At all. So even if there were a candidate I happened to be really attached to (which there isn't), a skit like that would not bother me one whit. If they did a skit about Obama with a bunch of Fox News reporters going, "I bet he's a suicide bomber!" "I hear he's a drug dealer on the side!" "We shouldn't elect him because he'll get shot his first day in office!" I wouldn't be upset. I'd go, "Hey, they've got Fox News pegged!"
So a "I hear he had sex with his sister, he was born in Hawaii and you know those Hawaiians" joke would be ok?

Inbreeding, especially among the royals, is between cousin, not between father and daughter.
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Incest (at least in Germany) includes sexual relations between first-degree cousins, it's illegal for them to marry. (Marriages between second-degree cousins are AFAIK legal, but IMO is still inbreeding.) I reckon the US has similar laws. Inbreeding over a longer period of time becomes relevant when a small gene pool becomes stagnant -- which is a good description of some small towns
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
So a "I hear he had sex with his sister, he was born in Hawaii and you know those Hawaiians" joke would be ok?
1. You still didn't watch the skit, did you?

2. No, incest isn't a Hawaiian stereotype. Hawaii doesn't tend to get American "hick" stereotypes. If you wanted to make a joke about giving Greg Brady bad luck, you could do that.
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