[zerostar]

I got sick of people at work "blaming" the blacks for "causing him to get elected" so I did some quick math....

OBAMA - 63,110,763 Votes
12% of his votes were from Blacks = 7,242,871
THAT LEAVES = 55,867,892 NON-BLACKS

McCAIN - 55,862,654 Votes
5% of his votes were from Blacks = 2,793,132
THAT LEAVES = 53,069,522 NON-BLACKS

OBAMA still wins by 2,798,370 NON-BLACK VOTERS

*Current totals as of 10/5/2008 12:50pm


Is my thinking way off or can I post this into a reply all? haha thanks!

[Uncle Skeleton]

Popular vote is pretty irrelevant. You'd have to do it state by state.

[ort888]

Why do we let those blacks vote anyway? Who's bright idea was that?

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Popular vote is pretty irrelevant. You'd have to do it state by state.

I understand that, just illustrating that its not even a significant amount, breaking it down by state would be even stronger as some states would be much higher and some very blue states MUCH lower.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Why do we let those blacks vote anyway? Who's bright idea was that?

And Gays too

I would normally not reply to these freaks, but blaming a small segment of the population for a clear choice OF THE PEOPLE gets me steamed up.

[hyteckit]

Our forefathers would turn in their graves if they knew blacks can now vote.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Our forefathers would turn in their graves if they knew blacks can now vote.

You forgot women.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

I got sick of people at work "blaming" the blacks for "causing him to get elected" so I did some quick math....

OBAMA - 63,110,763 Votes
12% of his votes were from Blacks = 7,242,871
THAT LEAVES = 55,867,892 NON-BLACKS

McCAIN - 55,862,654 Votes
5% of his votes were from Blacks = 2,793,132
THAT LEAVES = 53,069,522 NON-BLACKS

OBAMA still wins by 2,798,370 NON-BLACK VOTERS

*Current totals as of 10/5/2008 12:50pm


Is my thinking way off or can I post this into a reply all? haha thanks!

That's why Jesse and Al will soon be out of a job. On second thought they will spend the next four years pushing for reparations.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

I got sick of people at work "blaming" the blacks for "causing him to get elected" so I did some quick math....

OBAMA - 63,110,763 Votes
12% of his votes were from Blacks = 7,242,871
THAT LEAVES = 55,867,892 NON-BLACKS

McCAIN - 55,862,654 Votes
5% of his votes were from Blacks = 2,793,132
THAT LEAVES = 53,069,522 NON-BLACKS

OBAMA still wins by 2,798,370 NON-BLACK VOTERS

*Current totals as of 10/5/2008 12:50pm


Is my thinking way off or can I post this into a reply all? haha thanks!

Your situation assumes black people just didn't vote. What if you assume a few million of those people would have voted for McCain, but voted for Obama just because he was black? That could have turned everything around.

[The Crook]

You can blame "nonwhites" for electing Obama.

John Kerry won 41 percent of the (non-Hispanic — assume “white” = “non-Hispanic white” throughout this discussion) white vote, and Barack Obama improved to 43 percent of the white vote. But the white vote declined from 77 percent of the electorate to 74 percent of the electorate. As a result, 31.57 percent of voters were white people who voted for John Kerry in 2004. In 2008, the tally was very similar — 31.82 percent of voters were white people who voted for Barack Obama.

The big difference is that Obama increased the share of the black vote from 11 percent to 13 percent, increased the share of the “other” vote from 2 percent to 3 percent, grew his share of the black vote by seven percentage points, grew his share of the Hispanic vote by 13 (!) percentage points, grew his share of the Asian vote by five percentage points, and grew his share of the “other” vote by 11 percentage points. Consequently, while just 16.12 percent of 2004 voters were non-white for Kerry, fully 20.15 percent of 2008 voters were non-white for Obama. That 4.03 percentage point increase was the difference maker. McCain, despite the collapse in GOP party identification, despite Bush’s unpopularity, despite the economic crisis, held his own among white people. But he got slaughtered by a much bigger margin among non-whites, and his white base shrunk.

Thank god.

[CreepDogg]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Your situation assumes black people just didn't vote. What if you assume a few million of those people would have voted for McCain, but voted for Obama just because he was black? That could have turned everything around.

Wouldn't you also then have to account for those who voted for McCain because he's white?

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by CreepDogg 

Wouldn't you also then have to account for those who voted for McCain because he's white?

Yes, you'd have to include just the opposite and that would still put Obama in the lead.

[CreepDogg]

Originally Posted by zerostar 

Yes, you'd have to include just the opposite and that would still put Obama in the lead.

Well, we don't know that, and there's really no way of knowing for sure - especially state-by-state. My point was that we don't, and can't, know. It's not cut and dried either way.

[OAW]

Anyone who thinks that a person can be elected to the Presidency of the United States on the strength of the black vote alone is a mathematical idiot. Simple as that.

The fact of the matter is that Obama expanded the electorate and put together a winning coalition composed of a variety of demographics that crossed ethnic, gender, and age classifications. Anyone who can't see that is just woefully, and perhaps willfully, ignorant.

OAW

[smacintush]

I'm glad to see that now racism is officially dead.

[- - e r i k - -]

Ageism More Prevalent Than Racism Among Presidential Voters, Study Finds

ScienceDaily (Nov. 2, 2008) — An ongoing study by UCLA and Stanford University researchers of 20,000 registered voters has found that far more of them would vote against Sen. John McCain because of his age than would vote against Sen. Barack Obama because of his race.

Interesting, yet not surprising. Ageism has roots in genuine medical concerns, while racism is based on irrational fears.

[vmarks]

I wonder how much sexism was a factor as well.

After all, we saw Hillary Clinton find the glass ceiling in the Democrat primary, and we saw how Democrats treated Sarah Palin (It's a Girl - salon.com, caribou barbie, etc.) - perhaps sexism is a bigger problem than racism among Democrats?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

I'm glad to see that now racism is officially dead.

But did it kill reverse-racism, too

-t

[CreepDogg]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

After all, we saw Hillary Clinton find the glass ceiling in the Democrat primary

No. We saw her get beat by a better candidate. That seems to have worked out OK for the Democrats.

and we saw how Democrats treated Sarah Palin (It's a Girl - salon.com, caribou barbie, etc.) - perhaps sexism is a bigger problem than racism among Democrats?

Uh huh - and there were no mocking names for Obama based on some real or imagined characteristic? Do we have to pull out besson's list? Whether you agree or not, many people saw Palin as unqualified - not because she's female, but because she lacks the intellect and judgement they expect in a president. That's not sexism. Sexism is claiming she's unqualified because she's a woman.

Not to mention, many people also thought that the Republicans chose Palin because they thought she would bring them the votes of the women who voted for Hillary, simply because Palin is a woman. If true, that's sexist pandering on the Republicans' part. Perhaps conservatives aren't ready for a woman to gain office on her own merit?

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

I wonder how much sexism was a factor as well.

After all, we saw Hillary Clinton find the glass ceiling in the Democrat primary, and we saw how Democrats treated Sarah Palin (It's a Girl - salon.com, caribou barbie, etc.) - perhaps sexism is a bigger problem than racism among Democrats?

Hilary got beaten by a better candidate, and Palin got beat down on her own incompetence and extremism rather than her sex.

[Paco500]

I was not a supporter of either Hillary or Palin, but to say there was not at least an undercurrent of sexism in play in these contests is naive. Of course, we had subtle racism and overt ageism in play as well.

God Bless America.

[Powerbook]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

You forgot women.

"Do you remember a time when women couldn't vote and certain folk weren't allowed on golf courses? Petridge Farm remembers."