[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

But at the end of the day, I'd rather that a guy be attracted to me for who I naturally am, not what I look like after spending two hours primping in the bathroom so I look like a plastic Barbie doll.

But you'll want to punch a girl for what she looks like after spending two hours primping rather than who she naturally is.

Do you see how pervasive shallow judgments based on looks are? Even people who oppose the idea do it. That's why I think behaving as though you expect people to do it (as these women do) is a completely reasonable behavior.

[shifuimam]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy 

Geez, even more stereotypes. So, in your world there are no good-looking guys who are interested in normal good-looking women like yourself? Thus leaving you to date "the stereotypical fat geek"? Nice.

You know what would be a great "redeeming attribute" for you? Self confidence.

You're pretty, geeky, seem interesting and smart but NO guy (hot or ugly) will care about those qualities in you if you don't care about them in yourself. If you want to have hot guys attracted to you, be worthy of attraction. Right now, I don't see much of that on your part. I see self pity and derision towards others. Be the kind of person who doesn't care what others think of them--and who doesn't spend all their time worrying about others--and you will be the person who can attract great men (hot, normal, or otherwise).

I've been told that a lot. However, I don't know that someone can decide if you have self-confidence from a quick glance across a room or on the bus. If I'm sitting next to a sexy Barbie type, of course a guy is going to go for her. It doesn't matter if I have all the self confidence in the world.

I've only ever managed to attract the attention of lonely desperate guys who haven't been on dates in months and sometimes even years. I think that says something...

[- - e r i k - -]

…about your confidence.

Really. That's all there is. It's much easier to pick up confidence and personality than you think.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

I don't know that someone can decide if you have self-confidence from a quick glance across a room or on the bus.

Absolutely NOT true. It's very easy to tell. But again, the guy has to be looking for that in a woman.

If you are "sitting next to a sexy Barbie type of course a guy is going to go for her." IF that is what he is interested in. But, if he is interested in a non-Barbie type woman he is going to come to you ASSUMING you convey the fact you have something appealing to offer him. This is where the self-confidence comes in.


In the final analysis though, you seem to want to be found attractive by the kind of guys who are attracted to the "sexy Barbie types" yet at the same time you don't seem to actually want to date them because you think they "just want to date plastic". Do you notice the contradiction inherent in your statements here? I still think your fundamental problem is with self confidence. And if you've "been told that a lot" then you need to work on your self confidence and not worry about the "sexy Barbie types".

[shifuimam]

I'm just not buying it. I've had lots of self confidence before. I can't compete with "hot chicks" at all.

Looks are more important than most people would like to admit. You need the looks in order to make first contact - after that, all the inside stuff comes into play. But if you're great on the inside and butt ugly on the outside, you're not really going to pick up a lot of guys.

I think it's different for guys than it is for girls. Girls are much more prone to waste time on appearances than guys, so the expectation for a girl to be hot is a lot higher. For a guy, all you have to do is put on a decent shirt and gel your hair, and you're set. It's not so easy for females.

[scaught]

You take the hottest girl in the world, and someone got sick of banging her. It's not everything.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

I'm just not buying it. I've had lots of self confidence before. I can't compete with "hot chicks" at all.

Looks are more important than most people would like to admit. You need the looks in order to make first contact - after that, all the inside stuff comes into play. But if you're great on the inside and butt ugly on the outside, you're not really going to pick up a lot of guys.

I think it's different for guys than it is for girls. Girls are much more prone to waste time on appearances than guys, so the expectation for a girl to be hot is a lot higher. For a guy, all you have to do is put on a decent shirt and gel your hair, and you're set. It's not so easy for females.

You keep thinking that and you'll keep being disappointed.

I'm done with this discussion with you. Come back to us in a decade or so when you've gained enough self-confidence to realize that being "great on the inside" is easily recognizable by men who are looking for a woman who is great on the inside.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

I think it's different for guys than it is for girls. Girls are much more prone to waste time on appearances than guys, so the expectation for a girl to be hot is a lot higher. For a guy, all you have to do is put on a decent shirt and gel your hair, and you're set. It's not so easy for females.

Waste time on apperances? Just because you dress nice and apply a bit of make up does not automatically make you a "plastic barbie doll". It's called caring about your apperance, and it goes for guys too.

[shifuimam]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Waste time on apperances? Just because you dress nice and apply a bit of make up does not automatically make you a "plastic barbie doll". It's call caring about your apperance, and it goes for guys too.

Oh, I know that. I'm just saying that in order to compete, girls need to make quite a bit more effort. It's just kind of how it is, and how it's been throughout history. Girls focus on their appearance a lot more than guys.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by scaught 

I'd say there's just as many guys looking for the "plain" girls as there are the "dressed up" ones. Most of the hottest girls I've ever known were on the plain side.

true that.

I love me a plain girl. I'm not claiming to have pulled all the girls in the pics, some are just friends and that. I like hanging around with attractive girls. Out of the attractive girls, I find ones that are smart, fun, interesting, artistic, whatever, and we become friends cause I'm so awesome.

Having said that, these girls are wearing regular girl outfits, except for maybe the birthday girl in the blue(party at the Hard Rock Casino) and the girl on the couch showing her pantaloons, but if you saw her outfit standing up, it would just look like a kind of beachy-miami dress thing. Just cause they're not wearing jeans and hoodies or dresses to their ankles doesn't make them hoes. Other things do. Kidding!

Gotta throw that personality out there if you feel the looks ain't cuttin' it!

[calverson]

Wow. I just read through this again. Man, if my girl read what I posted here...

[kylef]

Best line is when if she says "I'm a good listener" you say "Well that's good because I'm a good talker"

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by calverson 

Wow. I just read through this again. Man, if my girl read what I posted here...

That reminds me, what's her email address?

[calverson]

hotbarbieb*[email protected]

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by calverson 

hotbarbieb*[email protected]

Hot Barbie bath?

As in a bathtub filled with piping hot Barbie dolls?

I’ll be right over!

[shifuimam]

Originally Posted by calverson 

Wow. I just read through this again. Man, if my girl read what I posted here..

It's always good to be hiding things from someone you want to get serious with....

...seriously, though, what would happen? Fact is, it's easy to hunt down a significant other's entire Internet history pretty damn easily. If there's things that could cause a fight, a breakup, or at least some misplaced assumptions, you should be prepared.

TBH, I'd guess that if your girlfriend (or any girl you're dating) found this thread, they'd think you were the biggest tool on the planet. You could always post a retraction on the thread...

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by calverson 

hotbarbieb*[email protected]

That didn't work. Bounceback.

[calverson]

You're desperate.