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asxless · Jun 23, 2002, 01:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> a responsible party (AKA Rickster) <hr /></blockquote>Actually, I can be rather irresponsible sometimes.

<hr /></blockquote>Rickster + NDA = Riddler <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

asxless in iLand

Ken at Omni · Jun 23, 2002, 03:26 AM

Sorry to spoil your fun, but there really isn't anything that exciting about the delay. (It's even less wild than the "least wild" possibility mentioned by cpac.)

The explanation is actually fairly simple: we had to make a final cosmetic change, I went on vacation before that change was finished, and things were on hold while I was gone.

I'm back now.

MrBS · Jun 23, 2002, 03:57 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken at Omni:
Sorry to spoil your fun, but there really isn't anything that exciting about the delay. (It's even less wild than the "least wild" possibility mentioned by cpac.)

The explanation is actually fairly simple: we had to make a final cosmetic change, I went on vacation before that change was finished, and things were on hold while I was gone.

I'm back now.<hr /></blockquote>...

we'll forgive you this once.

...

But I guess the sneaky peaks make up for all of that.
~BS

starfleetX · Jun 23, 2002, 06:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken at Omni:
he explanation is actually fairly simple: we had to make a final cosmetic change<hr /></blockquote>Cosmetic change?

I thought the UI was frozen months ago.

Or is all this fuss about some new icon? Pfffsht.

Sharky K. · Jun 23, 2002, 06:04 AM

man I can't even connect to FileMaker pro 5.5 webserver while all other browsers can (even iCab). This issue can and will make me switch to an other browser. Yes even me

edit: oke, maybe after an update of filemaker it works.. lets see

[ 06-23-2002, 06:36 AM: Message edited by: Sharky K. ]

Jerommeke · Jun 23, 2002, 06:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jerommeke:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Soon.

<hr /></blockquote>Ok.

Soon - Soon = Now
but what is:

Soon + 1/2 Soon?
Soon + 1?
Soon + Soon?

<hr /></blockquote>Well, as a good Math person would quickly identify, all of the above would still be equal to 'soon'. However, the true quesiton is, what is:

Soon/Soon
Soon/0<hr /></blockquote>It depends. If Soon is about 1 year, the first is 1,5 years, the next depends on the unit, and the third is 2 years! Which is not pretty much about Soon/1 year.

Soon/Soon = 1
and Soon/0 = error divide by zero

asxless · Jun 23, 2002, 09:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken at Omni:
Sorry to spoil your fun, but there really isn't anything that exciting about the delay. (It's even less wild than the "least wild" possibility mentioned by cpac.)

The explanation is actually fairly simple: we had to make a final cosmetic change, I went on vacation before that change was finished, and things were on hold while I was gone.

I'm back now.<hr /></blockquote>Just think. If you had just stayed on vacation another week, we could have had Omni implicated in a leveraged buyout of Apple with Rickster in charge of communications and Ken at Omni as software ubergeek in charge of iEverything development. But Nooooo... you had to come back from vacation to make a "cosmetic change" to OmniWeb 4.1 (to be released "soon") and be "a responsible party" who makes me change my story <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

asxless in iLand

PS I hope you enjoyed your well deserved vacation.

PPS I still kind of like the iWeb story

[ 06-23-2002, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: asxless ]

Sharky K. · Jun 23, 2002, 11:19 AM

I hope Apple will bundle OmniWeb 5 lite with MacOS X 10.2 or later. just a free version of OmniWeb without filtering, shortcuts etc..

[ 06-23-2002, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: Sharky K. ]

Ken at Omni · Jun 23, 2002, 11:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
man I can't even connect to FileMaker pro 5.5 webserver while all other browsers can (even iCab).<hr /></blockquote>The problem appears to be caused by a bug in their web server's handling of the Accept-Language header (defined in <a href="http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.4" target="_blank">RFC 2616 section 14</a>): it returns an error whenever you send an Accept-Languages header containing the fallback language range "*" (which we use to tell the server to go ahead and send something even if nothing is available in one of the preferred languages which we've specifically requested).

This leaves us with no way to specify to their server that while we prefer the languages from the user's preferences, we're willing to accept content in any other language as well.

OmniWeb does have an override setting for the Accept-Language header, which you can set to change your Accept-Languages header to something else. Assuming you don't actually visit any web sites where your language settings matter, you could simply do this to work around the bug in their server:

<blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb OWHTTPSessionAcceptLanguageOverride ""</pre><hr /></blockquote>Setting the override to the empty string signals to OmniWeb that it shouldn't send the header at all.

Sharky K. · Jun 23, 2002, 12:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken at Omni:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
man I can't even connect to FileMaker pro 5.5 webserver while all other browsers can (even iCab).<hr /></blockquote>The problem appears to be caused by a bug in their web server's handling of the Accept-Language header (defined in <a href="http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.4" target="_blank">RFC 2616 section 14</a>): it returns an error whenever you send an Accept-Languages header containing the fallback language range "*" (which we use to tell the server to go ahead and send something even if nothing is available in one of the preferred languages which we've specifically requested).

This leaves us with no way to specify to their server that while we prefer the languages from the user's preferences, we're willing to accept content in any other language as well.

OmniWeb does have an override setting for the Accept-Language header, which you can set to change your Accept-Languages header to something else. Assuming you don't actually visit any web sites where your language settings matter, you could simply do this to work around the bug in their server:

<blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb OWHTTPSessionAcceptLanguageOverride ""</pre><hr /></blockquote>Setting the override to the empty string signals to OmniWeb that it shouldn't send the header at all.<hr /></blockquote>oke it works. thank you very much.
Still other OmniWeb users who don't know about this can't see my or other's filemaker website.
Are you going make a workaround for this or wait for Filemaker to fix this.
All other browsers have this setting as default?

[ 06-23-2002, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Sharky K. ]

KidRed · Jun 23, 2002, 02:05 PM

Hurry up and change the icon!! How much longer!?!?

Rickster · Jun 23, 2002, 09:53 PM

Yes, indeed, the cosmetic change was the icon. Silly that it took this long, yes, but corporate identity and branding can be a pretty serious thing sometimes.

Said change is now done, and we'll be releasing soon.

KidRed · Jun 23, 2002, 09:57 PM

Good to hear!!

davecom · Jun 23, 2002, 10:26 PM

This thread wasn't worth reading to be honest, but I'm glad it's finally getting released. The sneaky peeks have stopped it from becoming vaporware.

ratlater · Jun 24, 2002, 03:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by davecom:
This thread wasn't worth reading to be honest, but I'm glad it's finally getting released. The sneaky peeks have stopped it from becoming vaporware.<hr /></blockquote>It was never vaporware, and even without the sneakypeeks it still wouldn't be. Do you expect software developers to complete projects in a few weeks? The OmniGroup took the time to do something right and not just release an early beta as final like so many other companies do and the reward for this is people thinking of OmniWeb as vaporware?

-matt

benh57 · Jun 24, 2002, 04:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Yes, indeed, the cosmetic change was the icon. Silly that it took this long, yes, but corporate identity and branding can be a pretty serious thing sometimes.

Said change is now done, and we'll be releasing soon.<hr /></blockquote>Wow. It wasn't the 15 crash logs i've sent in in the past week?

sp91 is unstable as hell.

Sharky K. · Jun 24, 2002, 09:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by benh57:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Yes, indeed, the cosmetic change was the icon. Silly that it took this long, yes, but corporate identity and branding can be a pretty serious thing sometimes.

Said change is now done, and we'll be releasing soon.<hr /></blockquote>Wow. It wasn't the 15 crash logs i've sent in in the past week?

sp91 is unstable as hell.<hr /></blockquote>First I had a lot of crashes with 91 but now I am running crash free fro a week

Parvulesco · Jun 24, 2002, 03:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by benh57:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Yes, indeed, the cosmetic change was the icon. Silly that it took this long, yes, but corporate identity and branding can be a pretty serious thing sometimes.

Said change is now done, and we'll be releasing soon.<hr /></blockquote>Wow. It wasn't the 15 crash logs i've sent in in the past week?

sp91 is unstable as hell.<hr /></blockquote>First I had a lot of crashes with 91 but now I am running crash free fro a week<hr /></blockquote>I've found sp91 to be quite reliable. The most recent Sneaky Peeks fixed essentially all of the crashers I had with earlier ones.

MrBS · Jun 24, 2002, 03:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Parvulesco:
I've found sp91 to be quite reliable. The most recent Sneaky Peeks fixed essentially all of the crashers I had with earlier ones.<hr /></blockquote>yeah, what he said.
~BS

KidRed · Jun 24, 2002, 03:39 PM

I still and have always gotten crashes. Not with any particular site, and it seems to me to happen mostly after I put the computer to sleep, wake it up and surf for a few minutes. Then OW will crash. I'm hoping if my assestment is correct that it is fixed soon.

MrBS · Jun 24, 2002, 05:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Waiting for OW 4.1 <hr /></blockquote>You shouldn't be any longer.
~BS

ratlater · Jun 24, 2002, 05:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MrBS:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Waiting for OW 4.1 <hr /></blockquote>You shouldn't be any longer.
~BS<hr /></blockquote>That is if you can actually download it, server is overloaded to say the least.

-matt

MrBS · Jun 24, 2002, 06:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
Yes, indeed, the cosmetic change was the icon. Silly that it took this long, yes, but corporate identity and branding can be a pretty serious thing sometimes.

Said change is now done, and we'll be releasing soon.<hr /></blockquote>Was the icon change a decision you guys made? Or was it something requested by apple?
~BS