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argod · May 30, 2002, 11:03 AM

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BUSH'S GENERAL EDUCATION

Do you have blacks in Brazil?

It is said, that, before September 11, George W. Bush thought the Taliban were a Bavarian brass band. Now, thanks to his comprehensive knowledge, the most powerful man in the world has got into hot water again.

Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks, too?"

Rice, 47, noicing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. Some say it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his "learning phase".

[ 05-30-2002, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: argod ]

smacintush · May 30, 2002, 11:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by argod:
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BUSH'S GENERAL EDUCATION

Do you have blacks in Brazil?

It is said, that, before September 11, George W. Bush thought the Taliban were a Bavarian brass band. Now, thanks to his comprehensive knowledge, the most powerful man in the world has got into hot water again.

Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks, too?"

Rice, 47, noicing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. Some say it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his "learning phase".<hr /></blockquote>My GOD, I wish someone would just impeach this buffoon. How can we function in the world with a dimwit like this at the helm?

WildZero · May 30, 2002, 11:14 AM

<cheap_shot>
I'm surprised he didn't add "Do you drag yours behind trucks too? That's what we do in Texas"
</cheap_shot>

Edit: On the other hand, he could have easily said "Do you let yours <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020528/ap_to_po/2000_election_lawsuits_3" target="_blank">vote?</a>

Fool!

[ 05-30-2002, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: WildZero ]

KaptainKaya · May 30, 2002, 12:04 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WildZero:
<cheap_shot>
I'm surprised he didn't add "Do you drag yours behind trucks too? That's what we do in Texas"
</cheap_shot>

Edit: On the other hand, he could have easily said "Do you let yours <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020528/ap_to_po/2000_election_lawsuits_3" target="_blank">vote?</a>

Fool!<hr /></blockquote>LMAO, terrible but yet funny at the same time!

chris v · May 30, 2002, 12:47 PM

Jaysuus Fscking Keyriced. I can't believe we elected that idiot.

Oh, wait...

CV

driven · May 30, 2002, 02:50 PM

And a great article from such an impartial newsworthy credible web-site.

Let me know when this article hits CNN, FoxNews or the BBC. Until then it's National Enquirer level material.

Lerkfish · May 30, 2002, 03:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
And a great article from such an impartial newsworthy credible web-site.

Let me know when this article hits CNN, FoxNews or the BBC. Until then it's National Enquirer level material.<hr /></blockquote>Are you referring to Der Spiegel, or the website providing a link to der spiegel?
If the latter, I agree with you, but I followed the link to der spiegel to make sure the article was there, and it was.

Pikeman · May 30, 2002, 03:05 PM

That's like asking if they play football in Texas.

davesimondotcom · May 30, 2002, 05:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by argod:
Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks, too?"

Rice, 47, noicing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. Some say it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his "learning phase".[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, Dubya is such a racist he turned to a BLACK woman (the most powerful black woman in history - not nominated by Clinton - the "black" president) for advice on this issue. Then, later that day, he called his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, a BLACK man and talked about policy issues.

Wake up people. Stop just grabbing for a reason to not like Bush. Even if you disagree with him on issues, don't try to paint him as a racist, idiotic bigot.

daimoni · 02:27 AM

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thunderous_funker · May 30, 2002, 06:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by argod:
Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor, who helped her boss out of the embarassing situation. During a conversation between the two presidents, George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush bewildered his colleague with the question "Do you have blacks, too?"

Rice, 47, noicing how astonished the Brazilian was, saved the day by telling Bush "Mr. President, Brazil probably has more blacks than the USA. Some say it's the Country with the most blacks outside Africa." Later, the Brazilian president Cardoso said: regarding Latin America, Bush was still in his "learning phase".<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, Dubya is such a racist he turned to a BLACK woman (the most powerful black woman in history - not nominated by Clinton - the "black" president) for advice on this issue. Then, later that day, he called his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, a BLACK man and talked about policy issues.

Wake up people. Stop just grabbing for a reason to not like Bush. Even if you disagree with him on issues, don't try to paint him as a racist, idiotic bigot.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I don't remember anyone here calling him a racist, just ignorant.

If it makes you feel better, Clinton is a cheat and a liar.

ReggieX · May 30, 2002, 06:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
If it makes you feel better, Clinton is a cheat and a liar.<hr /></blockquote>Hush, TN!

Oops, wrong guy...

MindFad · May 30, 2002, 07:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chris v:
Jaysuus Fscking Keyriced. I can't believe we elected that idiot.

Oh, wait...

CV<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, no kidding. The majority of the people as a whole wanted Gore, but.... And I live in Miami-Dade county in FL, where part of the fiasco took place with the elections. Couldn't hear enough about it. One man, one vote -- it's what matters.

daimoni · 02:28 AM

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nonhuman · May 30, 2002, 09:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by daimoni:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MindFad:
Yeah, no kidding. The majority of the people as a whole wanted Gore, but.... And I live in Miami-Dade county in FL, where part of the fiasco took place with the elections. Couldn't hear enough about it. One man, one vote -- it's what matters.<hr /></blockquote>We don't elect presidents anymore. They are selected for us. Gawd bless America!

:: attaches huge flag to SUV ::<hr /></blockquote>That's the way it's always worked, it's called the electoral college.

driven · May 30, 2002, 09:23 PM

I sense another dead horse beating on the way ....

Demonhood · May 30, 2002, 09:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
I sense another dead horse beating on the way ....<hr /></blockquote><img src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1330000/images/_1333819_horseslupcaneafp300.jpg" alt=" - " />
it moved!! someone, get a stick!

[ 05-30-2002, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Demonhood ]

daimoni · 02:28 AM

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argod · May 30, 2002, 09:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
And a great article from such an impartial newsworthy credible web-site.

Let me know when this article hits CNN, FoxNews or the BBC. Until then it's National Enquirer level material.<hr /></blockquote>Here is CNN refering back to Der Spiegel. I am sure you can
up with another excuse for defense.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/28/cf.00.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/28/cf.00.html</a>

CARVILLE: Now it's time for a look at those unusual, interesting, and downright shocking stories that you might not find anywhere but in our CROSSFIRE news alert. In case you think we Democrats are too tough on George Bush, I assure you, we usually have good reasons. Listen to this. The German magazine, "Der Spiegel" reports that during last week's European summit, Mr. Bush asked Brazil's president, "Do you have blacks, too?" "Der Spiegel" says National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice had to quickly explain that Brazil probably has a larger black population than the U.S., and perhaps the largest black population outside of Africa.

If the question is open, I want to put up a picture of Pele. He's the man on the right, and perhaps the most famous Brazilian of all time, at one time the most famous human on the planet. He sure looks black to me. Well, maybe he's been in the sun too long. Mr. President, I don't know.

wingdo · May 30, 2002, 10:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />That's the way it's always worked, it's called the electoral college.<hr /></blockquote>I'm glad someone knows how the system works. This isn't the first (or last time) a loser in the general election differed from the EC winner.

[ 05-30-2002, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: wingdo ]

nonhuman · May 30, 2002, 10:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by daimoni:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nonhuman:
[QBThat's the way it's always worked, it's called the electoral college.<hr /></blockquote>Good dodge. You'd make a good Supreme Court judge. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>That's the plan.

(no, really. and they're not judges, they're justices.)

BRussell · May 30, 2002, 11:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
Yeah, Dubya is such a racist he turned to a BLACK woman (the most powerful black woman in history - not nominated by Clinton - the "black" president) for advice on this issue. Then, later that day, he called his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, a BLACK man and talked about policy issues.

Wake up people. Stop just grabbing for a reason to not like Bush. Even if you disagree with him on issues, don't try to paint him as a racist, idiotic bigot.<hr /></blockquote>Davesimondotcom! Where have you been? You been hibernatin out here in the cold country? When it gets in the 80s you come back out?

Queen of the Universe · May 31, 2002, 01:20 AM

That man actually carries the nuclear football?! No georgie, we are the only country with "blacks". What a F**king idiot. You cannot tell me that he doesn't get dumber every day. The best part of GW ran down his fathers leg. By the time his term is up, he will be in negative numbers in the IQ catagory.

BTW clinton is a zombie cannibal from hell (Hi TNProud2B )

driven · May 31, 2002, 01:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by argod:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by driven:
And a great article from such an impartial newsworthy credible web-site.

Let me know when this article hits CNN, FoxNews or the BBC. Until then it's National Enquirer level material.<hr /></blockquote>Here is CNN refering back to Der Spiegel. I am sure you can
up with another excuse for defense.
<hr /></blockquote>You annoy me.

You assume I'll defend him even if this is true. You are the type that continues to look for the worst in people which leads you to incorrect assumptions.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/28/cf.00.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/28/cf.00.html</a>

CARVILLE: Now it's time for a look at those unusual, interesting, and downright shocking stories that you might not find anywhere but in our CROSSFIRE news alert. In case you think we Democrats are too tough on George Bush, I assure you, we usually have good reasons. Listen to this. The German magazine, "Der Spiegel" reports that during last week's European summit, Mr. Bush asked Brazil's president, "Do you have blacks, too?" "Der Spiegel" says National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice had to quickly explain that Brazil probably has a larger black population than the U.S., and perhaps the largest black population outside of Africa.

If the question is open, I want to put up a picture of Pele. He's the man on the right, and perhaps the most famous Brazilian of all time, at one time the most famous human on the planet. He sure looks black to me. Well, maybe he's been in the sun too long. Mr. President, I don't know.<hr /></blockquote>Now, while I consider CARVILLE an even lower lifeform than dirt, I don't think CNN would let him print something like this if it were false. So ... I'll be e-mailing [email protected] with my dis-satisfaction over this assinine question. WHY would you ask that?

[ 05-31-2002, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: driven ]

driven · May 31, 2002, 01:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Queen of the Universe:
That man actually carries the nuclear football?! No georgie, we are the only country with "blacks". What a F**king idiot. You cannot tell me that he doesn't get dumber every day. The best part of GW ran down his fathers leg. By the time his term is up, he will be in negative numbers in the IQ catagory.

BTW clinton is a zombie cannibal from hell (Hi TNProud2B )<hr /></blockquote>That said: And I'm going to rot in hell for saying this: I'd rather have Clinton than Gore.
(But this CANNOT be the best that the Democrats have to offer !?!)

Ratspittle · May 31, 2002, 01:37 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />That said: And I'm going to rot in hell for saying this: I'd rather have Clinton than Gore.
(But this CANNOT be the best that the Democrats have to offer !?!)<hr /></blockquote>God I hope not Driven, But Dobie Gillis would be better than bush. I don't really understand why people so vigorously defend GW. Stupidity by ASSociation.

Oh yeah, and clinton is a poopy-eater (hello TN)

sbjordal · May 31, 2002, 09:58 AM

This whole thread cracks me up.

btw, am I the only one who cringe every fscking time Dubya tries to adlib or answer questions NOT in a manuscript? The monkeyman comes off less inteligent than a 8yr old answering questions from the teachers.

"uhm..Brazil...well....I'm a stickler for passionate conservatism...uhm...the war on terrah....uhm....uncle Dick, come help me here..."

zigzag · May 31, 2002, 12:15 PM

I wasn't bothered by the press conference story (argod's other thread), but this one, if true (I'd prefer to see some additional corroboration), is pretty embarrassing, and explains why I didn't vote for him. The man might have some good qualities but being President is another matter altogether.

Saving TN the trouble: "Well, at least he didn't get a blow job and lie about it."

davesimondotcom · May 31, 2002, 03:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BRussell:
Davesimondotcom! Where have you been? You been hibernatin out here in the cold country? When it gets in the 80s you come back out?<hr /></blockquote>I've been working and working and working - still working freelance plus two part time jobs. Maybe someday I'll be full time somewhere.

Are you getting along ok up here in the Big Sky Country?

smacintush · May 31, 2002, 05:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ratspittle:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />That said: And I'm going to rot in hell for saying this: I'd rather have Clinton than Gore.
(But this CANNOT be the best that the Democrats have to offer !?!)<hr /></blockquote>God I hope not Driven, But Dobie Gillis would be better than bush. I don't really understand why people so vigorously defend GW. Stupidity by ASSociation.

Oh yeah, and clinton is a poopy-eater (hello TN)<hr /></blockquote>I defend Bush because people think he is dumb. Disagreeing with him or even disliking him is one thing, but he is far from dumb. Do you (and by "you" I mean all of thise who read this) really think that a man who graduated from Yale AND Harvard, served as a pilot in the Air Guard, was an international businessman for 11 years, is the grandson of a senator and the son of a former Pres./Vice Pres./ Ambassador to the United Nations/ Chief of the U. S. Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China/Director of the C.I.A., and former Governer of a large state is SOOOOO stupid that he didn't know that there are Black people in Brazil? You don't see how we makes people underestimate him? Are you people really so gullible that you think that a man with his background and experience is THAT stupid? If so, maybe you are the one with a room temperature I.Q.

boots · May 31, 2002, 05:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by smacintush:
I defend Bush because people think he is dumb. Disagreeing with him or even disliking him is one thing, but he is far from dumb. Do you (and by "you" I mean all of thise who read this) really think that a man who graduated from Yale AND Harvard, served as a pilot in the Air Guard, was an international businessman for 11 years, is the grandson of a senator and the son of a former Pres./Vice Pres./ Ambassador to the United Nations/ Chief of the U. S. Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China/Director of the C.I.A., and former Governer of a large state is SOOOOO stupid that he didn't know that there are Black people in Brazil? You don't see how we makes people underestimate him? Are you people really so gullible that you think that a man with his background and experience is THAT stupid? If so, maybe you are the one with a room temperature I.Q.<hr /></blockquote>You really think he's playing 'possum? Sometimes, I'll admit, it seems like it. But why would he "pull a fast one" by pretending he doesn't know there are blacks in Brazil? What does gain? He's vocal enough about other issues (star wars defense, bomb the hell out of iraq, drill in ANWAR) that I just can't buy the act.

And there are many who contend that daddy bought him the Yale degree. He even admits he was pretty much out of it the whole time he was there. Remember, that was before his epiphany...before he stopped drinking.

smacintush · May 31, 2002, 05:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by boots:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by smacintush:
I defend Bush because people think he is dumb. Disagreeing with him or even disliking him is one thing, but he is far from dumb. Do you (and by "you" I mean all of thise who read this) really think that a man who graduated from Yale AND Harvard, served as a pilot in the Air Guard, was an international businessman for 11 years, is the grandson of a senator and the son of a former Pres./Vice Pres./ Ambassador to the United Nations/ Chief of the U. S. Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China/Director of the C.I.A., and former Governer of a large state is SOOOOO stupid that he didn't know that there are Black people in Brazil? You don't see how we makes people underestimate him? Are you people really so gullible that you think that a man with his background and experience is THAT stupid? If so, maybe you are the one with a room temperature I.Q.<hr /></blockquote>You really think he's playing 'possum? Sometimes, I'll admit, it seems like it. But why would he "pull a fast one" by pretending he doesn't know there are blacks in Brazil? What does gain? He's vocal enough about other issues (star wars defense, bomb the hell out of iraq, drill in ANWAR) that I just can't buy the act.

And there are many who contend that daddy bought him the Yale degree. He even admits he was pretty much out of it the whole time he was there. Remember, that was before his epiphany...before he stopped drinking.<hr /></blockquote>Ever notice that he doesn't say really bizarre things like the Brazil statement in small settings with little coverage? Why doesn't he make these major Faux Pas in large public highly publicized settings?

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Parvulesco · May 31, 2002, 05:55 PM

What makes Bush an especially pathetic case is that he's had a life of privilege, with every opportunity given to him and literally the best education that money can buy, and yet he is still an idiot.

That really tells you something about the guy's mental faculties, or lack thereof.

[ 05-31-2002, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Parvulesco ]

Jim Paradise · May 31, 2002, 05:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Parvulesco:
What makes Bush an especially pathetic case is that he's had a life of privilege, with every opportunity given to him and literally the best education that money can buy, and yet he is still an idiot.

That really tells you something about the guy's mental faculties, or lack thereof.<hr /></blockquote>Here here!

zigzag · May 31, 2002, 07:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by smacintush:
I defend Bush because people think he is dumb. Disagreeing with him or even disliking him is one thing, but he is far from dumb. Do you (and by "you" I mean all of thise who read this) really think that a man who graduated from Yale AND Harvard, served as a pilot in the Air Guard, was an international businessman for 11 years, is the grandson of a senator and the son of a former Pres./Vice Pres./ Ambassador to the United Nations/ Chief of the U. S. Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China/Director of the C.I.A., and former Governer of a large state is SOOOOO stupid that he didn't know that there are Black people in Brazil? You don't see how we makes people underestimate him? Are you people really so gullible that you think that a man with his background and experience is THAT stupid? If so, maybe you are the one with a room temperature I.Q.<hr /></blockquote>There's a difference between being dumb and being ignorant. I don't think Bush is dumb, and I don't doubt that he has some positive qualities to bring to the job, but I do think that a President should be more knowledgeable about world affairs, and more intellectually engaged. As a previous poster suggested, if the President knows less than I do about Latin America, we could be in trouble.

Getting into and attending Yale and Harvard when Bush did wasn't the same as it is now - it's simply what rich kids did, and Bush partied more than he studied. Indeed, Bush has expressed much disdain for the academic experience. I think his anti-elitism has its merits, but I don't think ignorance and a lack of intellectual curiosity does, at least not in a President. You can take the "regular guy" thing too far.

As for the other "qualifications", he was a pilot only because his connections got him into a safe spot in the Guard, and he spent half of that time working on a political campaign. As for "international businessman", as far as I know all of his business ventures failed until his connections enabled him to get in on the baseball venture. I don't condemn him for these things - we're all better at some things than others, and he was a popular Governor, but let's not overstate his talents. Being leader of the free world is a different ball of wax than being Governor of Texas.

That said, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until the story is corroborated. Like you, I'd be surprised to learn that he would be that ignorant. If he wasn't familiar with Brazil already, I would expect that he would be thoroughly briefed about Brazil before meeting with its President.