[l008com]

Hey
I know its probably inevitable anyway, but I just started an online petition to try and get Apple to offer a matte screen option on the MacBook.

http://www.petitiononline.com/macbooks/petition.html

I know some people don't mind the Glossy screen, but I know there are lots of people, myself included, that can't stand the Glossy screens. So please sign if you are interested.
It would be extra cool of the mods made this a sticky . . .

:-)

[imitchellg5]

How will Apple ever see this? I am curious as to how this works.

[l008com]

Once it gets a bunch of signatures, I'll probably just send them some feedback.

Apple - Feedback

[iREZ]

alright! 2nd signature, im cool

[k squared]

Have an editor review the petition, correct the grammar and spelling mistakes and I might sign it.

[harrisjamieh]

Oh P-Lease! Apple obviously realise there is a demand for matte screens, because they offer the Pros with botht eh mate and glossy screens. Apple made a concious decision not to give an option for a matte screen on the MacBooks, and they obviously had their reasons for it. I don't see this making the blind bit of diference

[l008com]

I think the reason is they probably figured that non pro users would look at a glossy dell and a glossy mac book and think the dell had a better screen, just because of the gloss. If we let apple know that there are lots and lots of people who are pro users, who know how crappy glossy screens are, and buy their macbooks as a second or third machine, then maybe they'll offer the option. I suspect that the option is coming in a few weeks with speed bumps anyway, but I'm starting the petition now just in case.

BTW why does this forum only sometimes email you when someone responds to your thread? Is there some maximum emails/hour spam limit on the web host or something?

[Ouhei]

I love my glossy screen, so bright and shiny. I don't have glare issues ever, and I bring it around to all my classes.

[ChrisDaMacMan]

L008com why do you hate glossy screens so much?

They are soooo much better the matt screens, they are brighter, better colour i.e more truer if thats a word and in my opinion much more clearer.

And if your reason is that you get bad glare from them well thats balls too, even with bright over head lights or outside i dont notice it any worse then matt screens. So try plonking your head in front of the screen instead of at angle where you are more likely to get reflected light being refracted by the glass/plastic of the screen.

[jesrae]

At first I thought I'd hate the glossy screen, but I rarely mind the reflections, and as a noticeable plus, it saves my battery life, since I tend to have it set much dimmer than I would have on the old screens since otherwise it feels too bright in a lot of conditions. So if they're only going to have one option (and it's not surprising to me that they save the customization for the higher end product), to me it makes sense to go glossy.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by ChrisDaMacMan

L008com why do you hate glossy screens so much?

They are soooo much better the matt screens, they are brighter, better colour i.e more truer if thats a word and in my opinion much more clearer.

And if your reason is that you get bad glare from them well thats balls too, even with bright over head lights or outside i dont notice it any worse then matt screens. So try plonking your head in front of the screen instead of at angle where you are more likely to get reflected light being refracted by the glass/plastic of the screen.

I'm neither for nor against glossy, but what is it about the gloss that makes the screen brighter and have better colour? What if it was the exact same technology but with a matte coating instead of a glossy coating? Would the screen somehow dim and and poor colour?

[houstonmacbro]

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

Oh P-Lease! Apple obviously realise there is a demand for matte screens, because they offer the Pros with botht eh mate and glossy screens. Apple made a concious decision not to give an option for a matte screen on the MacBooks, and they obviously had their reasons for it. I don't see this making the blind bit of diference

my sis has a toshiba with a glossy screen. she looks at my powerbook and wonders why it is not glossy too ... after explaining about reflections, etc. she was like "oh yeah ... i could see how that could make a difference" but she still loves her glossy.

i think a lot of people just use what they are offered without really making a choice about using something else better. to each his own i suppose.

[houstonmacbro]

Originally Posted by l008com

I think the reason is they probably figured that non pro users would look at a glossy dell and a glossy mac book and think the dell had a better screen, just because of the gloss. If we let apple know that there are lots and lots of people who are pro users, who know how crappy glossy screens are, and buy their macbooks as a second or third machine, then maybe they'll offer the option. I suspect that the option is coming in a few weeks with speed bumps anyway, but I'm starting the petition now just in case.

BTW why does this forum only sometimes email you when someone responds to your thread? Is there some maximum emails/hour spam limit on the web host or something?

i tend to get all the messages.

question: did you switch from a powerbook to a macbook? if so, how was the transition?

[Hi I'm Ben]

Notice how everyone that actually has the glossy screen doesn't care, or even says it's better than the matte?

I'd like to see a statistic of how many ONLINE petitions actually do anything.

[hldan]

This will never fly, first of all nearly all PC notebooks have been glossy for a few short years now and no matter how much people don't like glossy you don't see the latest offerings in Sony, Dell or HP in matte. If glossy wasn't the people's choice we wouldn't see so many of them. Apple has gone mainstream to capture the market that they have missed and they are going with the majority of choice and not the choice of a few so this petition crap is nonsense.
They have listened to their customers which is why their consumer notebooks ARE glossy and the MacBook is black but they also know their creative professionals market which is why there is a choice on screen offerings. Let it go, you don't have to buy a Macintosh if it bothers you that much but there's almost a zero choice on the other side as well. Apple's notebook screens used to be dark and washed out and without contrast, they look better than ever now and that still doesn't seem to be good enough for some people.

[ChrisDaMacMan]

You tell it straight hldan!!

[hldan]

Originally Posted by ChrisDaMacMan

You tell it straight hldan!!

lol

[MattJeff]

im all for it, more choices = more dough for apple

[clockworkwar]

Originally Posted by hldan

This will never fly, first of all nearly all PC notebooks have been glossy for a few short years now and no matter how much people don't like glossy you don't see the latest offerings in Sony, Dell or HP in matte. If glossy wasn't the people's choice we wouldn't see so many of them. Apple has gone mainstream to capture the market that they have missed and they are going with the majority of choice and not the choice of a few so this petition crap is nonsense.
They have listened to their customers which is why their consumer notebooks ARE glossy and the MacBook is black but they also know their creative professionals market which is why there is a choice on screen offerings. Let it go, you don't have to buy a Macintosh if it bothers you that much but there's almost a zero choice on the other side as well. Apple's notebook screens used to be dark and washed out and without contrast, they look better than ever now and that still doesn't seem to be good enough for some people.

Oh ye, go hidan!!

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by MattJeff

im all for it, more choices = more dough for apple

Actually more choices = more costs for apple.

[rhashem]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I'm neither for nor against glossy, but what is it about the gloss that makes the screen brighter and have better colour? What if it was the exact same technology but with a matte coating instead of a glossy coating? Would the screen somehow dim and and poor colour?

A matte coating works on the principle of diffusing incident light so instead of seeing a focused reflection, you see a spread-out patch of light. However, the coating cuts both ways. It also diffuses light emitted by the screen itself. This causes colors to appear softer and makes the whole screen just a little less sharp.

[l008com]

I've used laptop (and ipod videos) with glossy screens, I can't stand it. It gives me headaches and is just generally annoying.

[brassplayersrock²]

Originally Posted by Ouhei

I don't have glare issues ever, and I bring it around to all my classes.

i mean no disrespect, but. are you sure you dont get any glare? because well, when i was taking my borrowed from a friend to try out blackbook, the glare/reflection was so annoying that i resorted to pen and paper. kept on get annoyed because the reflections were always on a part of the screen i was using word.


Alex

[megatronbomb]

Not to be a jerk or anything but have any of the people that are complaining about the glossy screen actually used it in real world situations?

I was skeptical too but haven't had an issue at all.

[slugslugslug]

Originally Posted by megatronbomb

Not to be a jerk or anything but have any of the people that are complaining about the glossy screen actually used it in real world situations?

Um, you should maybe re-read the post right above yours.

w/r/t the whole petition thing, I imagine it'd have to get a huge number of signatures for Apple to care. Petitions aren't pretty useless as market surveys because of the massive bias resulting from who winds up responding to them.

[SLiMeX]

Originally Posted by Ouhei

I love my glossy screen, so bright and shiny. I don't have glare issues ever, and I bring it around to all my classes.

Ditto!

[ChasingApple]

I have always had matte screens until I got my new Alienware laptop, love glossy now! Seriously it is much better is so many ways...

[Peter]

Glossy screens are amazing when you use one. When you read about them online they sound terrible, try one.
They rock.

[typoon]

I've not had a problem with reflections. I love the glossy screen. it Makes the colors brighter and more crisp IMO.

[zerroeffect]

Try calibrating your screen on matte systems. It's not hard and you won't screw things up permanently.

Apple's default is horrible. I know matte screens have nothing on glossy for contrast, but they can be much sharper and saturated than they are.

I would still go with matte if I had a choice when I bought this MBP. It's just less of a hassle for what I do and glossy looks cheap and toy-like to me. I only wish the screen on the MBP compared to my Samsung (non-glossy) LCD for my desktop as far as color saturation goes. Otherwise, I'm fine with it and it's plenty bright and colorful.

[xsphat]

My bedroom has two skylights in it and brick walls, I do most of my work in this room (writer and graphic artist), and I love my MacBook's screen. My room is as bright as it is outside during the day, and the glare was actually worse on the old iMac that I just upgraded from. My only true complaint is that the Adobe Suite runs so slow on Intel Macs.

[yaroldb]

I have to agree with most people on this. I like the glossy. It was a concern before purchasing the Macbook, but I ended up liking it. There is some glare, but a I can't say it bothers me. When I got my first HP laptop, I could not see it in the sun at all.

[clockworkwar]

Originally Posted by xsphat

My only true complaint is that the Adobe Suite runs so slow on Intel Macs.

Yep Adobe should be releasing a Universal version soon i think.

[xsphat]

Spring '07 according to Adobe's site.