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rmendis · Feb 21, 2005, 01:53 AM

Now that HP are looking for a replacement for their CEO Carly Fiorina, could Steve Jobs be a candidate? As part of that deal, HP would probably have to have a merger/acquisition of Apple Computer. That would make Apple essentially the iPod & iTunes division of HP.

Just as NeXT did a reverse takeover of Apple, Apple could do a reverse takeover of HP?!

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 21, 2005, 01:59 AM

huh, what?

no

rmendis · Feb 21, 2005, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
huh, what?
no

Why not?

Randman · Feb 21, 2005, 02:18 AM

Both Apple and Pixar are riding high, quite high. A jump to HP makes no sense.

brapper · Feb 21, 2005, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by rmendis:
Why not?

to start with, there's no good reason or incentive for Steve.
Additionally, can you imagine Steve selling windows?

OwlBoy · Feb 21, 2005, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by brapper:
to start with, there's no good reason or incentive for Steve.
Additionally, can you imagine Steve selling windows?

And, it would be his 3rd company.

Pixar and Apple are enough me thinks.

-Owl

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 21, 2005, 02:31 AM

This is the worst idea in the history of the world.

rmendis · Feb 21, 2005, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
And, it would be his 3rd company.

Pixar and Apple are enough me thinks.

No. The suggestion was really HP acquire/merge with Apple,
making Steve Jobs CEO.

Randman · Feb 21, 2005, 02:36 AM

It wouldn't make sense for either company to merge. Heck, with the ousting of Carly, we don't even know if HP will continue its recent path of working closely with Apple.
Disney's the only company I could see Jobs taking over Apple/Pixar and it would probably include some merger of Pixar for that to happen.

E's Lil Theorem · Feb 21, 2005, 02:46 AM

It would be quite the jump for Jobs. For example:

- Apple is valued at ~$35 billion while HP is valued at ~$61
- Apple's revenue last fiscal year was $8.2 billion while HP's was $79.9 billion

Other than the points I listed above (or what they lead to, e.g., bigger company, bigger ego - revenue-wise, HP is bigger than MS), brapper is right in that there's no real incentive for Jobs to go to HP.

So, I doubt HP's board would even consider Jobs for the position because their businesses cover/serve so much more than Apple or any other company Jobs has led (as evident by the points listed above).

mitchell_pgh · Feb 21, 2005, 02:51 AM

Jobs can't work for HP. They require a college degree

E's Lil Theorem · Feb 21, 2005, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Jobs can't work for HP. They require a college degree

And a suit!

OB1 · Feb 21, 2005, 03:23 AM

changed my mind

badidea · Feb 21, 2005, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by brapper:
Additionally, can you imagine Steve selling windows?

Huh? Since when is HP selling Windows? I always though that would be Microsoft!?

Busemann · Feb 21, 2005, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by badidea:
Huh? Since when is HP selling Windows? I always though that would be Microsoft!?

I'm pretty sure HP sell it as well

badidea · Feb 21, 2005, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Busemann:
I'm pretty sure HP sell it as well

Oh, you mean just like Apple does too?

CD Hanks · Feb 21, 2005, 08:44 AM

GUYS I HEARD STEVE JOBS WOULD BE A GOOD PRESIDENT? CONFIRM/DENY?

GUYS I HEARD STEVE JOBS WOULD BE A GOOD CEO FOR DISNEY? CONFIRM/DENY?

GUYS I HEARD STEVE JOBS WOULD BE A GOOD REPLACEMENT FOR THE POPE? CONFIRM/DENY?

GUYS I HEARD STEVE

SHUT THE **** UP

Randman · Feb 21, 2005, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
SHUT THE **** UP

You could lead by example in this area.

CD Hanks · Feb 21, 2005, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
You could lead by example in this area.

I did. I sold my G4.

Big Mac · Feb 21, 2005, 08:56 AM

The HP corporate philosophy is inherently at odds with that of Apple's. Jobs would hate that atmosphere. And neither company's strategic interests would be furthered by such a move. Most importantly, it would just be plain immoral for SJ to hock soulless Windoze machines and be a part of the Wintel monopoly.

Busemann · Feb 21, 2005, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by badidea:
Oh, you mean just like Apple does too?

Nope, because VPC isn't included with any Macs as standard

Randman · Feb 21, 2005, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Busemann:
Nope, because VPC isn't included with any Macs as standard

Duh!

Eug Wanker · Feb 21, 2005, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
And a suit!

MacGorilla · Feb 21, 2005, 12:46 PM

Steve and HP? Your nuts.

Eug Wanker · Feb 21, 2005, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
Steve and HP? Your nuts.

What about my nuts?

BasketofPuppies · Feb 21, 2005, 01:10 PM

The Hewlett and Packard families have been complaining for nearly a decade HP has gone from an innovative company to a reseller of Microsoft software.

HP should be an innovative company again, but for the corporate market. That's a market Steve doesn't understand.

E's Lil Theorem · Feb 21, 2005, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:

Yes, 20 years ago

Nowadays, it's more like this:

Though I do remember him wearing a suit for some event in Tokyo or Paris about five years ago or so.

Mafia · Feb 21, 2005, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
huh, what?

no

what he said.

turtle777 · Feb 21, 2005, 05:10 PM

Oh, yeah, and while we're at it

-t

macaddict0001 · Feb 22, 2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
It would be quite the jump for Jobs. For example:

- Apple is valued at ~$35 billion while HP is valued at ~$61
- Apple's revenue last fiscal year was $8.2 billion while HP's was $79.9 billion

Other than the points I listed above (or what they lead to, e.g., bigger company, bigger ego - revenue-wise, HP is bigger than MS), brapper is right in that there's no real incentive for Jobs to go to HP.

So, I doubt HP's board would even consider Jobs for the position because their businesses cover/serve so much more than Apple or any other company Jobs has led (as evident by the points listed above).

Of course the revenue you listed is gross revenue so it is less relevant than net revenue.

E's Lil Theorem · Feb 22, 2005, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by macaddict0001:
Of course the revenue you listed is gross revenue so it is less relevant than net revenue.

Well, yes, and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm comparing the size of the companies (to see if would be a reasonable move for Jobs), not their performance. If I wanted to compare performance, then, yes, I would have used earnings, EPS, P/E, etc, but these are less relevant for what I'm trying to show.

Let me put it another way: if you're a manager at mid-sized NuCo, and you're expecting a promotion soon, you wouldn't expect to be made a VP, would you? A sr manager, yes; a director, perhaps, but anything above that would be unrealistic. And that's the kind of unrealistic move we're talking about here with Jobs going from Apple to HP.

Big Mac · Feb 22, 2005, 04:51 AM

I think you're underestimating SJ. Jobs could handle a company of any size as well as he handles Apple. Going from a large company (Apple) to an even larger company (HP) would not present much of a challenge, I imagine. But it's definitely not going to happen.

sugar_coated · Feb 22, 2005, 09:05 AM

improbababble.