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Originally posted by C.J. Moof:
WHY does Apple expect the user to know if they have Quartz Extreme or not before enabling that checkbox? Is it so hard to:
-Check for Quartz Extreme
-If found, allow the toggle for dock playback or not, with no verbage RE QE
-If not found, don't bother the user with an option they're not able to use.
Apple has to think about the interface options from my mom's perspective. She loves her eMac- it keeps her in touch with family, friends, organizes her church documents, and automagically gets pictures of her grandkids for her screen saver. But she couldn't tell you if it had Quartz Extreme or not for a million bucks.
Yeah, it's a little thing. But it's the countless little things that drive me nuts when using Windows.
You're right...it's pretty silly and really bizarre that Apple has allowed something like this to show up as an option.
I think it's time to send Feedback to Apple.
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Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
You're right. Better question why wouldn't you want it on?
they should just make it so if you don't have QE it is grayed out.
It shouldn't even be an option at all. It should always be on for those with QE and not for those without.
Somehow, I think the problem isn't so simple though. I've only seen the DVD Player put Quartz-Extreme options into its app...and it's also one of the few remaining Carbon apps. Is it possible that Carbon apps have to be told to use Quartz Extreme because they can't figure out by themselves if they should use it or not? Or is the DVD Player team just living 3 years in the past.
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Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Somehow, I think the problem isn't so simple though. I've only seen the DVD Player put Quartz-Extreme options into its app...and it's also one of the few remaining Carbon apps. Is it possible that Carbon apps have to be told to use Quartz Extreme because they can't figure out by themselves if they should use it or not? Or is the DVD Player team just living 3 years in the past.
Or is it perhaps possible that DVD Player in Tiger is a pre-release application running on a pre-release OS and that dialog boxes can and most certainly will change before the product ships?
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Hold your horses everyone, how do we know that this option isn't greyed out for non-QE users? I'm going to assume that the screenshot was taken on a QE capable machine. And yes, there will be plenty of people who would like that option to be one they can toggle even if they do have QE (add obligatory comments about worthless eye candy here, blah, blah). I wouldn't be one of them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Personally, not only should it be grayed out, but they should stop using EXTREME to signify technical things. Because extreme is determined by video ram, they should just, if they MUST (which here, they shouldn't have to) tell you that it's based on vram, not on some wack apple term + its EXTREME upgrade.
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So this 8A268 is just a leaked internal build and is not being distributed to ADC members via software update?
As a select member, I don't see it show up anywhere.
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Originally posted by JKT:
Hold your horses everyone, how do we know that this option isn't greyed out for non-QE users? I'm going to assume that the screenshot was taken on a QE capable machine. And yes, there will be plenty of people who would like that option to be one they can toggle even if they do have QE (add obligatory comments about worthless eye candy here, blah, blah). I wouldn't be one of them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
But nobody would know. Why put options like that. The Dock should show updated windows...(although it doesn't and QuickTime relies on a hack to do it so maybe DVD Player also has to rely on such things)...there is *zero* reason to have it as an option.
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Originally posted by Moose:
Or is it perhaps possible that DVD Player in Tiger is a pre-release application running on a pre-release OS and that dialog boxes can and most certainly will change before the product ships?
Nope...DVD Player in Panther ships with Quartz Extreme options. It's not because it's a pre-release application running on a pre-release OS...sorry.
The eye-candy effects shouldn't be options. They should exist or not. Bothering the user with insignificant options like this bloats the Preferences window and takes away precious space that could be used for useful 'functionality' features.
Options like 'Fade controller when hiding' shouldn't exist. Who gives a damn if it fades or if it disappears instantaneously. I betcha only a handful of vocal people would make a big fuss over that option disappearing while 99.9% of the people wouldn't even notice.
Fade if Quartz Extreme is available. No-fade if it isn't. Simple as that. It's hard to imagine people could get their panties in a knot over the fact that they can't control if their controller fades or not. Same with minimizing to the Dock.
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Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
It's hard to imagine people could get their panties in a knot over the fact that they can't control if their controller fades or not. Same with minimizing to the Dock.
Perhaps it's (poor) marketing then - an attempt to point out to people the benefits they'd get if only they'd upgrade to a newer QE compatible machine.
Annoying and stupid? Yes. But then again, so is requiring a Quicktime Pro license to save movies from the web or watch them full-screen. (ps - yes, I know there are work-arounds for both these things)
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Originally posted by CharlesS:
Nice, from the looks of that screenshot, it looks like they're finally using a standard NSToolbar. Nice.
does not look too standard to me.
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Now that iChat supports Jabber, Can you get online with other IM services like MSN and ICQ and Yahoo?
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Originally posted by zachs:
Menu Extras
The battery menu now has Energy Saver presets in the menu, which you can switch between.
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This is something I've sent to Apple about a million times... I'm VERY glad this is finally happening.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Now that iChat supports Jabber, Can you get online with other IM services like MSN and ICQ and Yahoo?
I doubt it.
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Originally posted by ambush:
does not look too standard to me.
Specifically what features do you think are different?
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Now that iChat supports Jabber, Can you get online with other IM services like MSN and ICQ and Yahoo?
I'm able to talk with MSN through Jabber using Fire (yeah, I know, why do this when Fire can do MSN directly. I was doing it to test this very ability), so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work in iChat 3 when it's released.
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maybe .mac jabber server so iChat can talk with the other protocols?
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iChat in Panther Already supports ICQ. for the AIM name put in the ICQ number and you can talk to someone on ICQ through iChat. This is due to AOL merging the 2 services to be interchangeable I have tested this and it does work, and is the reason I have stopped using Fire, and now only use iChat.
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Originally posted by CharlesS:
I'm able to talk with MSN through Jabber using Fire (yeah, I know, why do this when Fire can do MSN directly. I was doing it to test this very ability), so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work in iChat 3 when it's released.
Cool as all get out.. I can't wait. I might be actually replacing Adium if it does.
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8A294 out?
Think Secret thinks so!
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i notices in that customize pic for safari theres no RSS search where is it how is it enabled
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Cool as all get out.. I can't wait. I might be actually replacing Adium if it does.
I was thinking something similar, but the more I use Adium, the more I realize it does everything better as a chat application than iChat, except for AV.
Hard decision...
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Originally posted by Minch_Yoda:
i notices in that customize pic for safari theres no RSS search where is it how is it enabled
They moved the search from the toolbar and into the actual RSS interface.
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Originally posted by Keiretsu:
8A294 out?
Think Secret thinks so!
Yes it is.
A big improvement over 8A269
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Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Yes it is.
A big improvement over 8A269
Any screenshots
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Originally posted by iOliverC:
Any screenshots
Nothing much visually different from 69, screenshots are still floating around.
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Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Nothing much visually different from 69, screenshots are still floating around.
where, where, where???
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Are there any performance improvements over Panther, especially with scrolling?
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Wait, but is it snappy�?
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New in 8A294:
iCal
- Option to show a "Birthday Calendar" in the source list.
- Nested calendars are now supported
- Notifications can now optionally be displayed in the lower left corner (where the mini calendar was)
- Many more searching options
- You can now publish calendars on any kind of server, including FTP
Finder
- There is a new type of folder - a "Burnable Folder." When you create one, it appears in the SideBar, with a burn button next to it to automatically burn just the contents of that folder.
Dock
- You can now add items in the Dock to your login items by choosing "Open at Login" from the Dock menu.
General
- There is an option in the text view contextual menu to Spotlight selected text.
Screenshots coming!
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Originally posted by zachs:
New in 8A294:
iCal
- Option to show a "Birthday Calendar" in the source list.
- Nested calendars are now supported
- Notifications can now optionally be displayed in the lower left corner (where the mini calendar was)
- Many more searching options
- You can now publish calendars on any kind of server, including FTP
Finder
- There is a new type of folder - a "Burnable Folder." When you create one, it appears in the SideBar, with a burn button next to it to automatically burn just the contents of that folder.
Dock
- You can now add items in the Dock to your login items by choosing "Open at Login" from the Dock menu.
General
- There is an option in the text view contextual menu to Spotlight selected text.
Screenshots coming!
Apple never seizes to amaze me, any new app makeovers you can see?
Thanks for the screenshots
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Originally posted by iOliverC:
Apple never seizes to amaze me, any new app makeovers you can see?
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Originally posted by piracy:
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Heres a question on the burnable folders, when you put things into them, are they copied or are pointers just created? So say if I put a 300Mb file in there do I have to wait for it to copy first?
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Originally posted by Chris Grande:
Heres a question on the burnable folders, when you put things into them, are they copied or are pointers just created? So say if I put a 300Mb file in there do I have to wait for it to copy first?
You can either move it as an alias, or copy it.
I am not sure if when you make an alias whether it just burns the alias, or copies the original file when you click Burn.
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Originally posted by zachs:
You can either move it as an alias, or copy it.
I am not sure if when you make an alias whether it just burns the alias, or copies the original file when you click Burn.
On the topic of burning, does OS X support burning bin/cue files in Tiger?
Thanks
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Originally posted by iOliverC:
On the topic of burning, does OS X support burning bin/cue files in Tiger?
Thanks
What do you mean? I'll test it if I can.
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wow - very cool features. What I'd love to now is a burnable smart-folder with automatic 'full-and-needs-to-be-burned' notification
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Why would I need burnable folders? Why can't I just burn any folder?
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Originally posted by TETENAL:
Why would I need burnable folders? Why can't I just burn any folder?
Beats me...seems like that'd be a much better idea.
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Originally posted by zachs:
What do you mean? I'll test it if I can.
Its built into Toast, basically you provide the software with a .cue file (which contains information to the file its burning). A lot of *certain* software use this method to distribute files to the *paying* supporters . I don't really have a file you can test. Here is some more information though:
http://www.weethet.nl/english/cdrw_usingnero_bincue.php
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is this tiger for select ADC members?
cause my friend brags he is a Premier dev and he has 8A269 and has had it sense last tuesday or maybe sooner
but anyways if 8A294 is for select ADC members i can finally update from wwdc build
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Hopefully you won't get a seize and desist letter!
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Originally posted by iOliverC:
Its built into Toast, basically you provide the software with a .cue file (which contains information to the file its burning). A lot of *certain* software use this method to distribute files to the *paying* supporters . I don't really have a file you can test. Here is some more information though:
http://www.weethet.nl/english/cdrw_usingnero_bincue.php
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anyone running 8a268 or 8a294 as their main system? or do you need to switch back to panther for some reason?
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I am a Compulsive Software Update Button Clicker
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Originally posted by butter71:
anyone running 8a268 or 8a294 as their main system? or do you need to switch back to panther for some reason?
Everyone is running it as their main system...HAHAHA. You're the only one not running it as your main system.
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