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The Final Dakar
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Nov 19, 2012, 06:26 AM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]I wish I could describe a little better why I didn't consider it to be great....but I've been struggling on this one. Obviously, the villain...I don't know...simply didn't draw me in. Yes, Bardem played him gleefully over-the-top, but then for most of the movie he was just an angry guy with a gun who apparently was smart with computerz....nothing special there. [/SPOILER]
Yep, I couldn't put my finger on it but something was off. Was he too sedate? I thought he was more bitter than angry. He lacked ...edge? HIs best scene was probably the one with the shot glass.
     
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Nov 19, 2012, 07:32 AM
 
Yeah, you're right - definitely off somehow, but I've found it hard to pinpoint why.


[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]And other than the one gross-out shot, there was never any backstory to really explain why he ended up the way he did - his maniacal obsession was just simply "there", just like the deserted island was simply "there" (too bad IMO, great set potential wasted), just like his hacker skillz were simply "there", and so on. (For example, can someone explain to me the benefit of allowing himself to get caught, just so he could access the MI-6 servers and escape to go kill M? What did I miss? Why not just go to London and kill M directly? I suspect that I missed something there but I don't know what it was.) [/SPOILER]
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Nov 19, 2012, 07:43 AM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Yeah, you're right - definitely off somehow, but I've found it hard to pinpoint why.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]And other than the one gross-out shot, there was never any backstory to really explain why he ended up the way he did - his maniacal obsession was just simply "there", just like the deserted island was simply "there" (too bad IMO, great set potential wasted), just like his hacker skillz were simply "there", and so on. (For example, can someone explain to me the benefit of allowing himself to get caught, just so he could access the MI-6 servers and escape to go kill M? What did I miss? Why not just go to London and kill M directly? I suspect that I missed something there but I don't know what it was.) [/SPOILER]
 
     
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Nov 19, 2012, 08:53 AM
 
I certainly don't care. On the scale of things that bothered me about the move that ranked pretty low. Elaborate convoluted plans are par for the course.
     
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Nov 19, 2012, 10:21 AM
 
Well, yeah, but you can't say that they do not generally have a purpose; they're overly convoluted, but generally have some sort of point.

[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]In this one, he apparently deliberately lets Bond kidnap him, so that he can be imprisoned in the MI6 headquarters and say hello to M, then hack their network, then escape........so he can go to kill M at a public hearing? I mean.....I couldn't figure out a point to any of that. What did hacking the network get him? There were a couple important scenes about the network being hacked....where did that plotline go? Then it sort of just shifted to them gunning for M, and that seemed to be the last we heard of that whole angle, no? Unless the "feeding him information" was tied into that, but it wasn't, really.[/SPOILER]
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Well, yeah, but you can't say that they do not generally have a purpose; they're overly convoluted, but generally have some sort of point.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]In this one, he apparently deliberately lets Bond kidnap him, so that he can be imprisoned in the MI6 headquarters and say hello to M, then hack their network, then escape........so he can go to kill M at a public hearing? I mean.....I couldn't figure out a point to any of that. What did hacking the network get him? There were a couple important scenes about the network being hacked....where did that plotline go? Then it sort of just shifted to them gunning for M, and that seemed to be the last we heard of that whole angle, no? Unless the "feeding him information" was tied into that, but it wasn't, really.[/SPOILER]
Heh, this a rough subject because this is exactly where the movie started going off the rails for me. Not the elaborate ruse, but that his entire plan hinges on the incredibly savvy head of the tech branch plugging an unsecured foreign laptop right into their network. I mean, come the **** on.

 
     
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Nov 26, 2012, 07:18 AM
 
I see I'm not the only one who found something missing from the latest Bond movie. I wouldn't even rate it as good. It was okay, maybe. But I've found other Bond films alot better. Casino Royale was alot better.

I always thought I'd seriously watch any Bond film more than once (hell, I've seen some 4-5 times, and I'd see them again), but this one will not be one of them. It left me bored and wanting more. No WOW factor. No danger - tell me when Bond was in danger in this film? They keep this up and they may lose their fans.
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Nov 29, 2012, 06:10 AM
 
I enjoyed SkyFall.
     
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Nov 29, 2012, 06:22 AM
 
No pride though?
     
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Nov 29, 2012, 06:36 AM
 
Ah, pride. #007 on the deadly sins list. Not a good thing to have.
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Dec 30, 2012, 11:06 AM
 
Finally got to see it. Fun, for what it is. Strangely, I didn't mind the convoluted, weird, plot and the somewhat insane computer graphics, but there were some small scenes that made it hard for me to suspend disbelief.

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Everlasting ammunition for the baddie in the initial chase.
Bond had a clear shot on Silva on several occasions. He never takes it. WTF? Example, in the underground. "I hope that wasn't for me." Stop gabbering and shoot already. You've got a 00 number for a reason.
Genius computer whizz plugs a laptop of dubious origin straight into the network, infecting it. Really?
The gamekeeper. No gamekeeper worth his salt, and experienced going up against poachers, would ever use a torch. Torches are good for one thing only, ruining your night vision.
Speaking of night vision, Silva turns away from the flaming, burning, inferno of Skyfall and instantly sees the tiny torch in the far distance on the moor. Sure, that's gonna happen.
The final kill. A knife like that will almost always fly handle first. Throwing knifes are balanced differently.
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All of this proves one thing: I am turning into a pedantic old man, obsessed with the details. Sigh.
     
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Dec 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
 
Finally saw it. It was watchable, but forgettable.

Changing Q from a quartermaster to a computer hacker was a terrible choice, and all the hacker lingo irritated the hell out of me.

And wasn't it convenient that Bond just happened to catch up to Silva right where Silva planted a bomb so he could drop a train on Bond's head? Lots of moments like that.

Something that was bugging me: a great deal of Quantum of Solace is based around a mysterious organization that is dogging MI6. I thought they were gonna wrap that up.

And what sort of institution lets trained field operatives self-demote into secretaries?
     
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Dec 30, 2012, 12:56 PM
 
The Q "update" was one of my favorite parts.
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Dec 30, 2012, 05:19 PM
 
Yeah, I like the Q update. The old gizmo Q would be irrelevant in today's world. They do need to get the lingo, and graphics, right next time though.
     
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