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Severed Hand of Skywalker · Dec 9, 2004, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, I don't believe that for a moment. It's a FACT, the aggression towards religion is much greater around these parts.

ya well start a thread with "gay" in it and see how long it take the 3 Christians to pop in a derail it.

kmkkid · Dec 9, 2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Why should they? If YOU don't show respect for people's religious beliefs, why should THEY show respect for your sexual preference? Respect is a give and take kinda thing, no?

Huh?

I think of myself as a christian, so where does this BS come from?

Am I showing disrespect simply by posting about same sex marriage?

If you dont like it, don't ****ing post in my thread then.

Chris

Shaddim · Dec 9, 2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
ya well start a thread with "gay" in it and see how long it take the 3 Christians to pop in a derail it.

A lot longer than it would if the title had Christian, religion, God, or Jesus in it.

Shaddim · Dec 9, 2004, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
Huh?

I think of myself as a christian, so where does this BS come from?

Am I showing disrespect simply by posting about same sex marriage?

If you dont like it, don't ****ing post in my thread then.

Chris

Then that does put you in a bad spot. Others on the Left have caused you some problems then. Probably wouldn't be nearly so bad if SWG, and others of his type, didn't have a bee in their asses over Christianity and religion.

I'm not saying you're "showing disrespect simply by posting about same sex marriage", I'm just explaining why the animosity is there.

wdlove · Dec 9, 2004, 03:14 PM

Those for same sex marriage will have to take ownership. It just shouldn't be forced on the rest of us.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Dec 9, 2004, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by wdlove:
Those for same sex marriage will have to take ownership. It just shouldn't be forced on the rest of us.

How is anything forced on you on a matter that will not effect you?

What is the case right now is that YOUR view on a matter that does not effect you is being forced on us.

Wiskedjak · Dec 9, 2004, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by koogz:
[terrorists]
Yet you just let them cross your border into the US, why would they hate you, they love you.

Actually, it was Canadian customs officials that let them into Canada. It was US customs officials that let the terrorists cross the Canada/US border into the US. We aren't responsible for who you let into your country.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Dec 9, 2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Actually, it was Canadian customs officials that let them into Canada. It was US customs officials that let the terrorists cross the Canada/US border into the US. We aren't responsible for who you let into your country.

Well that and then teach them how to fly planes but not take off and land.

But that is a bit off topic.

DBursey · Dec 9, 2004, 03:26 PM

This just in:

PM to Introduce Gay Marriage Bill in January

The Liberal government will introduce legislation to legalize same-sex marriage when Parliament resumes sitting in January, Prime Minister Paul Martin said Thursday.

In an opinion released earlier in the day, nine Supreme Court judges asked to review draft legislation extending marriage rights to gays and lesbians said such a move would be constitutional.

That legal opinion clears the way for the Liberal government to introduce a bill early in the new year.

It's about time! Equality under the law is a beautiful thing!

Those for same sex marriage will have to take ownership. It just shouldn't be forced on the rest of us.

It won't, at least not here in Canada. The legislation, as proposed, will allow the 'opting out' of any church or denomination which elects not to offer marriage rites to gays.

Wiskedjak · Dec 9, 2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Well that and then teach them how to fly planes but not take off and land.

But that is a bit off topic.

I know it's off topic. It just annoys me that some Americans seem to think Canada has control over who can enter the US.

Shaddim · Dec 9, 2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by DBursey:

It won't, at least not here in Canada. The legislation, as proposed, will allow the 'opting out' of any church or denomination which elects not to offer marriage rites to gays.

Good. That takes care of most (but not all) of the problems with the entire issue.

Wiskedjak · Dec 9, 2004, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by wdlove:
Those for same sex marriage will have to take ownership. It just shouldn't be forced on the rest of us.

No one will ever force you to get married to a homosexual

Wiskedjak · Dec 9, 2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Good. That takes care of most (but not all) of the problems with the entire issue.

What are the other problems?

koogz · Dec 9, 2004, 04:18 PM

Same sex marriage is gay.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Dec 9, 2004, 06:22 PM

"I do not believe you can have two classes of citizens,"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4082819.stm

ironknee · Dec 9, 2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
dumb stuff

when the topic deals with gays, you can bet zim is here lol

go canada and congrat to all the people

btw use my smilie anytime

PacHead · Dec 9, 2004, 11:50 PM

Can you imagine a wedding cake with 2 dudes or 2 chicks on it ?

Now that is just dumb.

brapper · Dec 9, 2004, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Can you imagine a wedding cake with 2 dudes or 2 chicks on it ?

Now that is just dumb.

ugh...honestly, enough of you.

kmkkid · Dec 9, 2004, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Can you imagine a wedding cake with 2 dudes or 2 chicks on it ?

Now that is just dumb.

Please, explain.

Chris

kmkkid · Dec 9, 2004, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by DBursey:

It won't, at least not here in Canada. The legislation, as proposed, will allow the 'opting out' of any church or denomination which elects not to offer marriage rites to gays.

And you can bet your booties there wont be that many churches that will turn it down.

why? mostly the $$$, but most churches also show the respect that seems to be lacking in todays youths and americans.

Chris

PacHead · Dec 9, 2004, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
Please, explain.

Chris

There's nothing to explain really. If you mention wedding cake to most people (the overwhelming majority), they will picture a guy in a tux and a gal in a wedding gown, not two dudes in two tuxes or two chicks in wedding gowns.

PacHead · Dec 9, 2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by brapper:
ugh...honestly, enough of you.

Bite me. . . .

Xeo · Dec 9, 2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Can you imagine a wedding cake with 2 dudes or 2 chicks on it ?

Now that is just dumb.

Yes I can imagine it. Why would it be dumb?

[edit]

Originally posted by PacHead:
There's nothing to explain really. If you mention wedding cake to most people (the overwhelming majority), they will picture a guy in a tux and a gal in a wedding gown, not two dudes in two tuxes or two chicks in wedding gowns.

And if you mention a marriage most people will picture a man and a woman. So what?

kmkkid · Dec 9, 2004, 11:59 PM

I just want to say:

I find it amusing that both herterosexual people and the americans in this thread are just fuming over an issue that has nothing to do with their own country or sexuality.

Chris

MindFad · Dec 9, 2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Bite me. . . .

omg gay

PacHead · Dec 10, 2004, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
I just want to say:

I find it amusing that both herterosexual people and the americans in this thread are just fuming over an issue that has nothing to do with their own country or sexuality.

Chris

Not me. I could care less if bestiality was legal and Canadians married their sheep.

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
There's nothing to explain really. If you mention wedding cake to most people (the overwhelming majority), they will picture a guy in a tux and a gal in a wedding gown, not two dudes in two tuxes or two chicks in wedding gowns.

Well then we'll just have to have a groom and a drag queen on the cake, now wont we?

Chris

PacHead · Dec 10, 2004, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
omg gay

homophobe. . . . .

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Not me. I could care less if bestiality was legal and Canadians married their sheep.

That's entering legislation in 2006. Geez, dont get ahead of yourself.

Chris

OldManMac · Dec 10, 2004, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
There's nothing to explain really. If you mention wedding cake to most people (the overwhelming majority), they will picture a guy in a tux and a gal in a wedding gown, not two dudes in two tuxes or two chicks in wedding gowns.

Obviously, the sex of the models on the wedding cake is an important factor in this issue.

Superchicken · Dec 10, 2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
How 'bout a mod clean this thread up please. **** I post a legitmate post and everyone thinks they can be jesters and derail it.

This is a BIG thing for us gay people here, have some ****ing respect.

Chris

How many threads about anything that Christians have posted here have been derailed by MacNN's gay members? Perhaps you should remember how this feels and be more willing to not do it to other people's posts. I remember my post about getting my PowerBook... I got flamed for no reason. This is the lounge.

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
And you can bet your booties there wont be that many churches that will turn it down.

why? mostly the $$$, but most churches also show the respect that seems to be lacking in todays youths and americans.

Chris

There I believe you're quite wrong. Many churches will turn it down, namely the Roman Catholics, most of the Orthodox, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Lutherans, etc.. Why? Because their ruling bodies won't compromise their traditions and views to make a buck or to comply with secular consensus. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's completely accepted, liked, or even recognized. That's just a fact.

ironknee · Dec 10, 2004, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Can you imagine a wedding cake with 2 dudes or 2 chicks on it ?

Now that is just dumb.

Xeo · Dec 10, 2004, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
How many threads about anything that Christians have posted here have been derailed by MacNN's gay members? Perhaps you should remember how this feels and be more willing to not do it to other people's posts. I remember my post about getting my PowerBook... I got flamed for no reason. This is the lounge.

Try reading the whole thread before you respond.

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
How many threads about anything that Christians have posted here have been derailed by MacNN's gay members? Perhaps you should remember how this feels and be more willing to not do it to other people's posts. I remember my post about getting my PowerBook... I got flamed for no reason. This is the lounge.

Please, do show me where I have flamed christians for being christians.

I have said some are ignorant idiots, but thats about it.

This is most peoples problem, because of some loud mouth gays, you try to pin that on us all. It doesnt work that way. I know this for a fact because there really are some non judgemental christians out there who could really care less about this issue.

Chris

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
There I believe you're quite wrong. Many churches will turn it down, namely the Roman Catholics, most of the Orthodox, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Lutherans, etc.. Why? Because their ruling bodies won't compromise their traditions and views to make a buck or to comply with secular consensus. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's completely accepted, liked, or even recognized. That's just a fact.

I believe you're wrong. They've already married gays before this legislation was even proposed last year. Try again.

Chris

Super Nova · Dec 10, 2004, 12:22 AM

I'm an idiot.....

ReggieX

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
I believe you're wrong. They've already married gays before this legislation was even proposed last year. Try again.

Chris

Nope. Some very liberal churches will, but not the ones I mentioned. Most will decline. That's just the way it is.

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Nope. Some very liberal churches will, but not the ones I mentioned. Most will decline. That's just the way it is.

What part of they already have didnt you understand exactly?

Do I have to get links? *sigh*

Chris

zigzag · Dec 10, 2004, 12:36 AM

Canada is doing the sensible thing: treat all consenting adult citizens equally under the law, and let the faithful continue to do as they please. This should be an easy thing for Americans to grasp, but we're slow learners.

Of course, it's only a matter of time before Canada becomes a hedonistic cesspool and perhaps even a third-world country because 2% of the population wants to be able to have legally-recognized relationships with people of the same gender. Which, as someone else noted, is gay.

I would warn that widespread bestiality and incest are right around the corner, but since those practices are already common in Canada, there's no cause for alarm.

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
What part of they already have didnt you understand exactly?

Do I have to get links? *sigh*

Chris

You're just incorrect. As I said, some liberal churches will, most will not. *shrug* What do you care?

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
You're just incorrect. As I said, some liberal churches will, most will not. *shrug* What do you care?

I care because you're spreading nonsense.

If I do indeed marry my bf. I will prove this to you and I will get married at my old pentecostal church. I have no doubt they will do it.

Chris

Super Nova · Dec 10, 2004, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by zigzag:
but we're slow learners.

The only reason why we're slow learners is because our government is stuck in a Christian euphoria. The only reason we don't allow same-sex marriages is because homosexuality (in the New Testament) "is a sin." This the only reason being even remotely close to logical why we don't allow it.

I'm not gay, but I am all for equality.

SuperNova

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
I care because you're spreading nonsense.

If I do indeed marry my bf. I will prove this to you and I will get married at my old pentecostal church. I have no doubt they will do it.

Chris

If they're actually Chruch of God, Ass'y of God, or Charismatic Evangelical, no they won't. Sure, you can get a liberal church to marry you. Hell, my Unitarian Univ. church would marry you two in a heartbeat, even here in East TN, but the Coptic church I also attend would decline you so fast it would make your head spin. It's about doctrine, and most will not compromise their traditions just to be trendy.

Again, what do you care?

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Super Nova:
The only reason why we're slow learners is because our government is stuck in a Christian euphoria. The only reason we don't allow same-sex marriages is because homosexuality (in the New Testament) "is a sin." This the only reason being even remotely close to logical why we don't allow it.

I'm not gay, but I am all for equality.

SuperNova

The logical reason why they don't? Because the tradition of the church is that marriage is primarily for procreation. That's particularly difficult in a same sex marriage.

Super Nova · Dec 10, 2004, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
The logical reason why they don't? Because the tradition of the church is that marriage is primarily for procreation. That's particularly difficult in a same sex marriage.

Buddy, you're forgetting that we're supposed to separate church and state. By law

SuperNova

Shaddim · Dec 10, 2004, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by Super Nova:
Buddy, you're forgetting that we're supposed to separate church and state. By law

SuperNova

And because of that seperation, you can't make the churches, or their members, like the idea of same sex marriage. The majority of Americans don't want to allow gays to marry, our gov't reflects that. That may change in the future, or it may not.

kmkkid · Dec 10, 2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
And because of that seperation, you can't make the churches, or their members, like the idea of same sex marriage. The majority of Americans don't want to allow gays to marry, our gov't reflects that. That may change in the future, or it may not.

And the great majority of americans are redneck hicks with no education. Take a truly civilized country such as Canada where most people live in metropolitan areas and do have an education, and look what happens, people gain the rights they should have had all along.

Chris

Super Nova · Dec 10, 2004, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
And because of that seperation, you can't make the churches, or their members, like the idea of same sex marriage. The majority of Americans don't want to allow gays to marry, our gov't reflects that. That may change in the future, or it may not.

If Americans are against giving gays equal rights, then they going against the number one principle this nation was founded on (in case you also forgot this one) every man is created equal. This goes for all races, religions, and sexual preferences. Just because you're different, doesn't mean you're inferior.

We can't make the churches, but making a law against same-sex marriages is bringing church and state together. And plus, what is the reason for most Americans not wanting to allow gays to marry?

SuperNova

koogz · Dec 10, 2004, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Super Nova:
If Americans are against giving gays equal rights, then they going against the number one principle this nation was founded on (in case you also forgot this one) every man is created equal. This goes for all races, religions, and sexual preferences. Just because you're different, doesn't mean you're inferior.

We can't make the churches, but making a law against same-sex marriages is bringing church and state together. And plus, what is the reason for most Americans not wanting to allow gays to marry?

SuperNova

Sorry, but our nation was not founded on equal rights for sexual preferences...

Does this mean that Oprah and Stedman can get married? Not to each other of course because they are both gay.