[Powerbook]

- Today Mail just stopped receiving mails (duh!). Sending mail works. Same settings in other programs work. Stable 10.3.9, I have only 2000 Mails stored alltogether, nearly no large attachments... WTF???

other fun facts:
- opening mails with embedded images (etc) from Windows Outlook 2003 users -> Mail crashes
- opening mails with .p7m / OPAK signature -> Mail often crashes
- OPAK signatures are not recognized/verified
- ...

Disgusting crappy program. I'd just like to WORK! I only started using Mail some weeks ago since my 5 year old Outlook Express developed some quirks (with 10.000 Mails, can't use signatures...). I guess I'll just switch to the latest MS Entourage...? I don't think it could be worse than Apple Mail. Hm...

PB.

[PurpleGiant]

I have thousands of emails in Mail (currently over 7,000 in the combined inbox), in nine accounts, many with large attachments and have yet to have a single issue. This is on the most recent (Tiger) Mail, however I don't think your issues are inherently a problem with Mail in general.

[wataru]

No such issues here.

[jasong]

Well over 10,000 messages here, containing an email history dating back almost 10 years (Eudora to Netscape to Outlook Express, to Mail).

[- - e r i k - -]

No problems here. Mail is generally well behaved.

[CharlesS]

Do you have any haxies or SIMBL plug-ins installed?

[global]

Why would you want to even try to keep 10,000 + emails
- or even 1000 for that matter - i am very curious about
this.

[snoopy199]

No problems here either, I've been using mail.app for years w/o any issues. Looks like it may not be mail.app's issue but something on your mac is causing the conflict.

[Hi I'm Ben]

Originally Posted by g/re/p

Why would you want to even try to keep 10,000 + emails
- or even 1000 for that matter - i am very curious about
this.

Mail takes up very little space for the amount of information it holds.

Every month I get notifications of payments to my credit cards in my email, I get letters from friends, receipts from things I have purchased, and many other important things. Spotlight makes it very easy to find any of these things in seconds. Currently I have 1651 non-junk email and I can't tell you how many times it has come in handy to find a 6 month old email for something I might have registered.

At work my exchange server only holds 11 mb of email. I recieve upwards of 75-100 emails a day there, addressed to me. In this situation I would love to be able to store 10,000 emails instead of always having to delete or archive messages I like because of a limit on my mailbox size. If I used my Mac for business I'm quite certain my mailbox would be upwards of 10-20,000 items as well.

[Powerbook]

Okay, since none of you shares those problems, that's very strange...
What can I do? Trashing some files etc?
I should return to a working eMail client ASAP...

PB.

[CharlesS]

You didn't answer my question - do you have any haxies or SIMBL plug-ins installed?

Could you post the crash log for Mail.app which should be in your home folder -> Library -> Logs -> CrashReporter?

Also, if you could launch the Console application which is in the Utilities folder and then make Mail crash, you could see if anything shows up in the Console that could be helpful.

[Hi I'm Ben]

Originally Posted by Powerbook

Okay, since none of you shares those problems, that's very strange...
What can I do? Trashing some files etc?
I should return to a working eMail client ASAP...

PB.

i'm not sure how the mail.apple.com.plist file will effect your problem by trying to remove it from the preferences folder, but I'd give that a shot. It may require you to redo your mail accounts but I don't think it will delete your emails. Worst case just put it back in the preferences folder and replace the new one it creates.

[Horsepoo!!!]

10000+ emails...0- problems.

[Powerbook]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

You didn't answer my question - do you have any haxies or SIMBL plug-ins installed?

Could you post the crash log for Mail.app which should be in your home folder -> Library -> Logs -> CrashReporter?

Also, if you could launch the Console application which is in the Utilities folder and then make Mail crash, you could see if anything shows up in the Console that could be helpful.

Nope, no haxies, no plug-ins.
Here is the log from the latest crash (I had to delete some Threads):


Date/Time: 2006-06-07 15:27:38 +0200
OS Version: 10.3.9 (Build 7W98)
Report Version: 2

Command: Mail
Path: /Applications/Internet Programme/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail
Version: 1.3.11 (622)
PID: 474
Thread: 9

Exception: EXC_BREAKPOINT (0x0006)
Code[0]: 0x00000001
Code[1]: 0x90a8d2c0


Thread 0:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900078b8 mach_msg_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90007438 mach_msg + 0x38
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c2258 __CFRunLoopRun + 0x350
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c69e4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 0x148
4 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92886e10 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 0xac
5 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9288d53c ReceiveNextEventCommon + 0x17c
6 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x928af638 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 0x60
7 com.apple.AppKit 0x92e82258 _DPSNextEvent + 0x180
8 com.apple.AppKit 0x92e98cd8 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 0x74
9 com.apple.AppKit 0x92ead058 -[NSApplication run] + 0x21c
10 com.apple.AppKit 0x92f69774 NSApplicationMain + 0x1d0
11 com.apple.mail 0x0000ed3c 0x1000 + 0xdd3c
12 com.apple.mail 0x0003dc34 0x1000 + 0x3cc34

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90017238 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000ea1c _pthread_cond_wait + 0x270
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a7c598 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 0x44
3 com.apple.AppKit 0x92e7a0f8 -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] + 0x190
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a6a4b8 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900078b8 mach_msg_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90007438 mach_msg + 0x38
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c2258 __CFRunLoopRun + 0x350
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c69e4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 0x148
4 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a2d160 -[NSRunLoop runMode:beforeDate:] + 0xac
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a45d64 -[NSRunLoop run] + 0x4c
6 com.apple.MessageFramework 0x8689aea0 +[_NSSocket _runIOThread] + 0x5c
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a6a4b8 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000b46c select + 0xc
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c7668 __CFSocketManager + 0x1fc
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90018e78 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000ea14 _pthread_cond_wait + 0x268
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a7bce4 F_CONDITION_WAIT_TIMEOUT + 0x90
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a903ac -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:beforeDate:] + 0x80
4 com.apple.MessageFramework 0x86877048 -[InvocationQueue _drainQueue] + 0xb0
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a6a4b8 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90018e78 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 0x8
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000ea14 _pthread_cond_wait + 0x268
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a7bce4 F_CONDITION_WAIT_TIMEOUT + 0x90
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a903ac -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:beforeDate:] + 0x80
4 com.apple.MessageFramework 0x86877048 -[InvocationQueue _drainQueue] + 0xb0
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a6a4b8 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 6: ...
Thread 7: ...
Thread 8: ...


Thread 9 Crashed:
0 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a8d2c0 _NSRaiseError + 0xf8
1 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a8d1a4 +[NSException raise:format:] + 0x2c
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a2d7f8 -[NSObject(NSForwardInvocation) forward::] + 0xb0
3 libobjc.A.dylib 0x90836810 _objc_msgForward + 0xb0
4 com.apple.MessageFramework 0x868acc58 -[MimePart bodyData] + 0x40
5 com.apple.MessageFramework 0x868fea88 -[MessageURLProtocol startLoading] + 0x2dc
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a57388 -[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _prepareOriginLoad] + 0x158
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a3a62c _loadThrottler + 0x1a8
8 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a5338c _loadBegin + 0x64
9 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c4800 __CFRunLoopDoSources0 + 0x1fc
10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c20b8 __CFRunLoopRun + 0x1b0
11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x901c69e4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 0x148
12 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a2d160 -[NSRunLoop runMode:beforeDate:] + 0xac
13 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a45d64 -[NSRunLoop run] + 0x4c
14 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a97ffc +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 0x20c
15 com.apple.Foundation 0x90a6a4b8 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
16 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024990 _pthread_body + 0x28


Thread 10: ...
Thread 11: ...
Thread 12: ...

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x90a8d2c0 srr1: 0x0002f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x24022422 xer: 0x0000001e lr: 0x90a8d298 ctr: 0x90a23528
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xf011f200 r2: 0xa0a204bc r3: 0xa0a34e20
r4: 0x9083eb88 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0xf011eee0 r7: 0x0000001e
r8: 0x00000001 r9: 0x0492eeb0 r10: 0x00001d0f r11: 0x24022422
r12: 0x90a23528 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000001
r16: 0x00000001 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0xa01c1f20 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x0000703b r21: 0x00000001 r22: 0x0445cfa0 r23: 0x044e9e20
r24: 0x044ea810 r25: 0xf011f378 r26: 0x0492b800 r27: 0xa0a2af6c
r28: 0x000d6214 r29: 0xa0a24a40 r30: 0x00000000 r31: 0x90a8d1d0

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0x96eca000 - 0x971a2fff com.apple.CoreGraphics 1.203.30 (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics
0x9721a000 - 0x972d3fff com.apple.QD 3.4.71 (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD
0x97900000 - 0x97bf1fff com.apple.WebCore 315.14.2 /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/WebCore.framework/Versions/A/WebCore

This came up in the Console/console.log:

2006-06-07 15:27:37.762 Mail[474] *** -[_NSCachedBitmapImageRep messageStore]: selector not recognized
2006-06-07 15:27:37.763 Mail[474] An uncaught exception was raised
2006-06-07 15:27:37.763 Mail[474] *** -[_NSCachedBitmapImageRep messageStore]: selector not recognized
2006-06-07 15:27:37.763 Mail[474] *** Uncaught exception: <NSInvalidArgumentException> *** -[_NSCachedBitmapImageRep messageStore]: selector not recognized

[speirsfr]

That error message looks like an unhandled exception (i.e. a programming error). I would strongly suggest that you submit a bug at http://bugreporter.apple.com and include the raw source for the message which causes this crash as an attachment.

Apple can't fix bugs they don't know about.

[jasong]

Originally Posted by g/re/p

Why would you want to even try to keep 10,000 + emails - or even 1000 for that matter - i am very curious about this.

Maybe because I value the information contained in there? Seriously, I have all the early messages sent between my wife and I when we first met, I have messages from my dad who died three years ago, I have messages from friends who live all around the world, and thanks to Spotlight and Mail's awesome interface for grouping messages and marking replies, I can relive and re-experience important moments and conversations. My email is as valuable to me as my photos are, and take up much less space.

[dimmer]

Looks like you have mail.app in a folder called "Internet Programme" - try moving it back to the Applications folder and see if that helps. Apple don't like us messing with their file system no more...

[Powerbook]

Some days ago, at least the mail download started working again. "All" I had to do was to manually click on the account/get new emails/account xyz for every one of my accounts. I will still ditch it. THe other quirks remain, and it's sort of blocking part of the company workflow (e.g. sending invitatations/tasks) ...

Originally Posted by speirsfr

That error message looks like an unhandled exception (i.e. a programming error). I would strongly suggest that you submit a bug at http://bugreporter.apple.com and include the raw source for the message which causes this crash as an attachment.
Apple can't fix bugs they don't know about.

True, that's why I report ~95% of all crash reports. Of those nasty Mail crashes, I must have reported about 20 to Apple. Problem I could see: It's of course a german system/reporter field, so I don't know, how unfiltered this (foreign) reports get to the (U.S.) Developers.

Originally Posted by dimmer

Looks like you have mail.app in a folder called "Internet Programme" - try moving it back to the Applications folder and see if that helps. Apple don't like us messing with their file system no more...

I did that from the very beginning, never noticed a problem that could be related to that. See also my problem "solution" I posted above.


Regards
Powerbook

[Cadaver]

Just over 2000 messages spanning several years. Migrated across several computers. No problems.

[production_coordinator]

Upgrade to Tiger?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Powerbook

THe other quirks remain, and it's sort of blocking part of the company workflow (e.g. sending invitatations/tasks) ...

Isn't that Microsoft specific stuff?

[beedancer]

I'm running Panther on a G4... have had similar problems for the last couple of weeks after more then 2 years of smooth sailing.

Mail app picks up some messages from the server... sometimes it marks messages as picked up, but when it leaves them un-marked it simply downloads them time after time. Ofen Mail app picks up messages, plays it's "new message" sound... but the messages are nowhere to be seen.

My only dependable workaround is using Webmail... but that leaves no record on my own computer..

[Ulrich Kinbote]

Use gmail?