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Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Best of luck Railroader. Remember, the money WILL run out if you're not careful. And from your post above it looks like the woodworking dream might stay just that, so maybe that's not a viable source of income. Have you considered buying real estate for cash and becoming a landlord?

Rental income is a good thing.

Woodworking for me is a hobby (albeit a serious one) and I don't really ever want to do it as a sole income. I simply don't like making what other people want. I did that with oil painting for a while and couldn't stand it. Right now I make a piece for furniture and if someone wants it and I don't need it they can have it. Only about 5% of my woodworking is commission stuff

I would never get into the world of landlord. It seems too sleazy for me. People should own where they live, not rent.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

Probably a stupid question but...

How do these buy-outs work?

And good luck to you Railroader in whatever you decide to do.

Lump sum check and severe all future employment with GM. All benefits stop other than what I have vested in my retirement account. When I reach retirement age I will collect a tiny pension from GM.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Will you get paid in a lump sum or over the years. I ask because of potential tax implications. getting a single payment of 140k means you in line for a serious tax charge.

Lump sum. I have already talked to a CPA and it looks like I will be liable for a tax sum around $38,000

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ambush

I doubt that what you do can be considered "art" today. I wish you luck nonetheless.

Everyone's a critic. Especially those who have no idea what they are talking about. Ignorance is bliss isn't it ambush?

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

Told ya.

5 out of five lols.

Here' where your ***less life takes a dive.

Reported.

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 10:55 AM

Let's hear it for x-tuple posts.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Let's hear it for x-tuple posts.

I was just replying to what multiple people had said.

I don't like to quote multiple people in the same post.

Sorry that you don't like it.

Mastrap · Mar 23, 2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I would never get into the world of landlord. It seems too sleazy for me. People should own where they live, not rent.

Not everybody can afford to buy their own home. And you could be the exception to the rule, being a non sleazy landlord who cares about his tenants.
Owning real estate is a good way to get a decent return on your money.

I intent to accumulate as many rental properties as I possibly can during my working life, rather than trust a pension fund (now there's sleazy for you).

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 11:21 AM

It's been a while since I've seen someone go on a spree. I'm just glad they all made it on one page.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

It's been a while since I've seen someone go on a spree. I'm just glad they all made it on one page.

I don't come here very often anymore. Other priorities.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Not everybody can afford to buy their own home. And you could be the exception to the rule, being a non sleazy landlord who cares about his tenants.
Owning real estate is a good way to get a decent return on your money.

I intent to accumulate as many rental properties as I possibly can during my working life, rather than trust a pension fund

You have a point.

Originally Posted by Mastrap

pension fund (now there's sleazy for you).

Please explain.

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I don't come here very often anymore. Other priorities.

You're thinking I'm being critical when I'm amused.

Mastrap · Mar 23, 2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Please explain.

A couple of financial scandals involving pension funds. Nothing huge, but enough to make me weary.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

A couple of financial scandals involving pension funds. Nothing huge, but enough to make me weary.

Understood. But like your earlier point, pensions aren't sleazy just like being a landlord isn't sleazy... just people who manage pensions badly are sleazy.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

You're thinking I'm being critical when I'm amused.

"You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little ****ed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to ****in' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
...
No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the **** am I funny, what the **** is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny! "

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 01:02 PM

*backs away from the thread, slowly*

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 01:04 PM

Too late.

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 01:10 PM

It's just, y'know, it's just funny, you know the way you tell the story and everything...

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 03:06 PM

"Ya mother****er! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. Frankie, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Henry. You may fold under questioning. "

Rolling Bones · Mar 23, 2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Reported.

kwy bwaeby!

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 03:20 PM

It's good to know you're enjoying your sabbatical time correctly.

Rolling Bones · Mar 23, 2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

It's good to know you're enjoying your sabbatical time correctly.

I'm beginning to think it was no sabbatical at all but a lay-off. I told him he wouldn't have a job to go back to. And now he doesn't, so I was right.

He was a prick to me so I'm happy!

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

ambush why are you such a hateful, negative young man? Your views are narrow and blind-sided.

I'll just mark it up to you being young and naive.

not being hateful...

The definition of art has changed in the 20th century... see modern art, pop art, etc.... it's not exactly like a classic wooden chair

but that doesn't mean what he does isn't beautiful..
who in today chooses what's art and what's not?

museums
critics
artists
governments
historians
people who invest/make money with art
etc (many actors not listed)

art is a trend today.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Everyone's a critic. Especially those who have no idea what they are talking about. Ignorance is bliss isn't it ambush?

Actually, I've had art theory/history courses.

I'm sure you could have them too if you go back to school (which I encourage you to do!)

Dork. · Mar 23, 2006, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

I'm beginning to think it was no sabbatical at all but a lay-off. I told him he wouldn't have a job to go back to. And now he doesn't, so I was right.

Nope, you're wrong. The sabbatical very likely had nothing to do with the buy-out, and he'd be in the same position whether or not he was on leave. That's just the way these things work.

The buy-out thing is big news here in the U.S., because it involves GM, and whatever happens to GM is still news. From what I've read, it's pretty wide-ranging in the company. Lots of people are getting this.

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

art is a trend today.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a rather strict interpretation. Many things could be considered an art as well: writing, driving, lying, etc.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a rather strict interpretation. Many things could be considered an art as well: writing, driving, lying, etc.

Yeah I know, I'm only giving you the academic definition.

I, for one, am a master in the art of burping.
Burp.

Dakar · Mar 23, 2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

I, for one, am a master in the art of burping.

If you speak and sing burps, I'd agree.

dav · Mar 23, 2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

The definition of art has changed in the 20th century...

how so? what was the definition before and what is it now?

Originally Posted by ambush

who in today chooses what's art and what's not?

it is my belief that art is determined by the artist's intent and nowhere else.

Nicko · Mar 23, 2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Understood. But like your earlier point, pensions aren't sleazy just like being a landlord isn't sleazy... just people who manage pensions badly are sleazy.

g'luck it can be tough out there. Just be happy that you got a fat paycheck to send you off.

Anyway, like Mastrap suggested, you can never go wrong with buying and renting property. As long as you pick a decent property in a decent area, you can't go wrong.

Nicko · Mar 23, 2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by dav

how so? what was the definition before and what is it now?

it is my belief that art is determined by the artist's intent and nowhere else.

Art is something different to everyone. Now, a nice chair on the other hand is useful to most people. I would take a nice chair over some useless painting any day.

Why not set up some auctions on ebay and see how a few pieces sell?

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Actually, I've had art theory/history courses.

I'm sure you could have them too if you go back to school (which I encourage you to do!)

I was accepted to CCS/CAD. 'nuph said fool.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

I'm beginning to think it was no sabbatical at all but a lay-off. I told him he wouldn't have a job to go back to. And now he doesn't, so I was right.

He was a prick to me so I'm happy!

I have a very good job after my leave. You don't get it obviously.

Still making racists statements on here?

dav · Mar 23, 2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Art is something different to everyone. Now, a nice chair on the other hand is useful to most people. I would take a nice chair over some useless painting any day.

Why not set up some auctions on ebay and see how a few pieces sell?

and i would take a nice painting over a useless chair any day

do people buy paintings via ebay? nevertheless, i have none for sale.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I was accepted to CCS/CAD. 'nuph said fool.

Uh... OK

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Uh... OK

As I said, "ignorance is bliss".

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by dav

and i would take a nice painting over a useless chair any day

do people buy paintings via ebay? nevertheless, i have none for sale.

A chair is a piece of art.

Some of them are ugly and have near zero value, but some are beautiful and elegant and sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by dav

how so? what was the definition before and what is it now?

it is my belief that art is determined by the artist's intent and nowhere else.

Well, before that, Academies (which were set by the governments) would set pre-defined standards that would define what art was. Usually: a sculpture, a painting that would illustrate "higher values" (heroism, etc.) or God, etc.

Anyway, you can also open a book about art history. I would be able to explain it to you in French, but not in English. So refer to a book.

Gombrich is a good historian of art.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

As I said, "ignorance is bliss".

Yes...... you.... are.... right....?

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Yes...... you.... are.... right....?

Aren't you blissful? You should be.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 06:38 PM

Let's hear it for another cheap-quality post.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Let's hear it for another cheap-quality post.

To avoid that in the future I suggest putting yourself on your ignore list.

And please, stop derailing this thread.

turtle777 · Mar 23, 2006, 07:09 PM

-t

dav · Mar 23, 2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

A chair is a piece of art.

Some of them are ugly and have near zero value, but some are beautiful and elegant and sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

a chair can be a piece of art, sure. i also think any communicable media can be art.

dav · 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Well, before that, Academies (which were set by the governments) would set pre-defined standards that would define what art was. Usually: a sculpture, a painting that would illustrate "higher values" (heroism, etc.) or God, etc.

ok, i see what you mean.

i did the art history classes, but unfortunately they were mostly exercises in memorization. i had a very good professor who taught art criticism however.

Rolling Bones · Mar 23, 2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I have a very good job after my leave. You don't get it obviously.

Still making racists statements on here?

It's not my problem you're ashamed of being Mexican, amigo.

andi*pandi · Mar 23, 2006, 09:20 PM

take the money and run, run, run.

Railroader · Mar 23, 2006, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

It's not my problem you're ashamed of being Mexican, amigo.

Uh... no.

You made racist comments about Mexicans. I am very satisfied with my heritage and thankful and happy about my ancestors.

You however are VERY insecure and immature. A secure and mature individual would own up to their actions and statements. You, do not.

Kevin · Mar 23, 2006, 09:47 PM

Yeah lame haters.

I'd like to meet a few of the posters parents in here and slap em for not teaching their kids better.

ambush · Mar 23, 2006, 10:05 PM

Yeah I'm such a hater because I said it wasn't art by today's standards... and wished him good luck

damn str8.

want my parents' email?