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Jan 16, 2021, 06:30 AM
 
If that’s the label they use, that’s fair. Your amount of digging is commendable
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Jan 16, 2021, 03:02 PM
 
The My Pillow guy met with Trump Friday. A photographer snapped a pic of the notes he had prepared, and they appear to show that he's pushing Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and eventually declare martial law before Biden is sworn in.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
The My Pillow guy met with Trump Friday. A photographer snapped a pic of the notes he had prepared, and they appear to show that he's pushing Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and eventually declare martial law before Biden is sworn in.
Just checked out his website. Dear God. It's like the internet 2004 on there. Classy! And yet he sells pillows.

Also solidly violate the don't mix business with politics maxim all over the home page.
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And I don’t think it makes any sense to dismiss other people’s opinions just because they are different from yours.
LOL

Where have you been the last 20 years? This is literally Rob's entire schtick. And when called out on it, he whines and whines about how oppressed he is and then goes right back to doing it. You'd think at some point he would experience some personal and emotional growth but NOPE. He's brilliant and correct and perfect and anyone that disagrees with him is a "retard."
     
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
If that’s the label they use, that’s fair. Your amount of digging is commendable
Why, thank you!
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
The My Pillow guy met with Trump Friday. A photographer snapped a pic of the notes he had prepared, and they appear to show that he's pushing Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and eventually declare martial law before Biden is sworn in.
Would that be considered a crime?
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Jan 16, 2021, 09:47 PM
 
Which? Making suggestions to the president? The president invoking a federal action? Or manufacturing MyPillows?
     
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Where have you been the last 20 years? This is literally Rob's entire schtick.
I prefer to lead by example (not always succeeding, but trying).
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
The My Pillow guy met with Trump Friday. A photographer snapped a pic of the notes he had prepared, and they appear to show that he's pushing Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and eventually declare martial law before Biden is sworn in.
When this story hit, I considered if it were deliberate trolling. Surely they know photographers are all around the White House. And papers need to be kept in attaché cases.

Then I remembered. These are the conspiracy types Trump consults with since Nov 3rd. I'm sure a pillow manufacturer knows how to steal an election.
     
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Which? Making suggestions to the president? The president invoking a federal action? Or manufacturing MyPillows?
Suggesting that specifically to the president. If you suggest it to someone else its surely conspiracy to commit something. Terrorism or treason or whatever. Does the fact your constitution seems to allow a sitting president to do whatever the hell they want negate that?
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Jan 17, 2021, 03:08 PM
 
A conspiracy requires at least two people to agree to break the law. Rumor is Trump gave the meeting little attention and wasn't receptive. Maybe the guy hadn't donated enough.

There may be a case against the MyPillow guy for trying to commit a crime. A President is immune (while in office) to some issues. ie - tax audits are on hold. Courts can force procedural compliance, like records keeping, or rule unconfirmed Cabinet members cannot give substantial orders. I believe there's a lot less immunity than Trump has claimed, but he's had Justice Secretaries who bow down to him instead of doing their jobs.

Significant criminal activity is supposed to be restrained by Congress, which hasn't worked since (R) Senators started placing party loyalty ahead of their oaths & national loyalty. This is a form of regulatory capture. If corrupt people are in charge of national prosecutions AND can block Congressional action, then the Prez can get away with anything.

Until they leave office, or are dumb enough to attack their buds in Congress.
     
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Jan 18, 2021, 09:49 PM
 
Oreo and Famous, just a little bit of extra detail about your side discussion:
There is this thing: The Liberal Gun Club.

It’s a real thing, nationwide, and pretty active. Interesting that the NRA started out as a safety and education organization until some time in the 1980s they were taken over by radical “OMG they want to take our guns!!!!” factions, I really like that the actual (not just stated) mission of TLGC being safety and education.

Point: despite what the neck bearded, Trumpite fanatics think, guns are not the political property of the right. Not by a long shot. A LOT of Liberals own guns. We just don’t wave ‘em around like the other idiots do.

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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Oreo and Famous, just a little bit of extra detail about your side discussion:
There is this thing: The Liberal Gun Club.
Good to know, thanks. Perhaps that can be an alternative to the NRA, which has become a gun manufacturers's lobby organization.
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It’s a real thing, nationwide, and pretty active. Interesting that the NRA started out as a safety and education organization […]
AFAIK the NRA worked with the federal government on gun regulation for a long time so that it is informed regulation.
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[…] until some time in the 1980s they were taken over by radical “OMG they want to take our guns!!!!” factions, I really like that the actual (not just stated) mission of TLGC being safety and education.
Not only that, gun rights have expanded significantly over the last few decades. Just transport yourself back in time 20 years and propose that your state should have “shall issue“ licenses for open carry. Stand your ground laws have expanded (without any need and lots of problems). Or the federal law that imposes the lowest common denominator on states. The picture that gun rights are under attack would be hilarious if so many people didn't believe it.
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Point: despite what the neck bearded, Trumpite fanatics think, guns are not the political property of the right. Not by a long shot. A LOT of Liberals own guns. We just don’t wave ‘em around like the other idiots do.
It seems that a lot of the poster boys for gun rights on the political right are all too happy to wave around their guns and parade them out in the open.
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Jan 19, 2021, 02:06 AM
 
Remember that Capitol rioter patriot (Riley June Williams) who lifted a laptop from Pelosi's office? The motive was surely patriotism, not fencing stolen goods for a profit.

But um, her plan was to sell it to a Russian intelligence service.
FBI officials said a caller claiming to be an ex of Williams said friends of hers showed him a video of her taking a laptop computer or hard drive from Pelosi’s office. The caller alleged that she intended to send the device to a friend in Russia who planned to sell it to that country’s foreign intelligence service, but that plan fell through and she either has the device or has destroyed it.
So if the motive wasn't theft-for-profit, she must have planned to sell it at shipping cost. And if she's a patriot, she logically must be a patriot of Russia. It's funny how Trump has nothing to do with colluding with Russia, but connections keep coming up.

Anyway, if you see Williams, be sure to tip the FBI. She's ghosted her family, and the laptop remains unaccounted for. No word about a reward yet.
FBI officials said they believe Williams “has fled”. Her mother told local law enforcement that she packed a bag and left, saying she would be gone for a couple of weeks. She also changed her phone number and deleted a number of social media accounts, the FBI said.
     
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Jan 19, 2021, 03:54 AM
 
For a very different story, 30+ restaurants in D.C. have teamed up to feed the troops protecting the Capitol. With better food than the MREs they otherwise get.



If you want to donate, the page is here. Apparently it's split between the 30+ restaurants. Also, the business helps them during the lockdown blues.

I donated.

ps - the troops have since gotten cots. No more sleeping on bare marble floors.
     
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Jan 19, 2021, 04:31 AM
 
The “make a plan” stage seems to have been ignored with these deployments.
     
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Jan 19, 2021, 06:19 AM
 
Just saw some video of the rally with Trump speaking before the attack. Is it wrong that I really wanted to see Daenerys come screaming out of the sky on Drogon?
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
The “make a plan” stage seems to have been ignored with these deployments.
Or, maybe there's a "don't talk about the plan" stage after that?
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Just saw some video of the rally with Trump speaking before the attack. Is it wrong that I really wanted to see Daenerys come screaming out of the sky on Drogon?
A lot of us have been wanting that since 2016.
     
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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Oreo and Famous, just a little bit of extra detail about your side discussion:
There is this thing: The Liberal Gun Club.

It’s a real thing, nationwide, and pretty active. Interesting that the NRA started out as a safety and education organization until some time in the 1980s they were taken over by radical “OMG they want to take our guns!!!!” factions, I really like that the actual (not just stated) mission of TLGC being safety and education.

Point: despite what the neck bearded, Trumpite fanatics think, guns are not the political property of the right. Not by a long shot. A LOT of Liberals own guns. We just don’t wave ‘em around like the other idiots do.
That and the socialist rifle association as well. Yes, lots of liberal gun owners, no doubt.

HOWEVER, what I was getting at, is that the democrats also coddle these ****ing morons who are anti-gun. They're typically comprised of boomer karens who've never shot a gun in their life, and think 'semi automatic' is a scary word. There's the granola/hippie peace is the answer crowd that thinks all violence is wrong, and there's the awkward cat girl illustration major types who don't own cars and say they never will own a car because they're bad for the environment and guns are violent therefore wrong.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a super liberal city, but I have met SO MANY of these ****ing people. My previous comment was not to insinuate that anyone on the left doesn't have/enjoy/use guns, it was pointing out that the ****ing looney tunes anti gun morons are all being coddled by the left instead of being told they're ****ing dumb. The politicans say lines to appease them, which just pisses off gun owners and drives them to the right.

HENCE, if the democrats would actually embrace gun ownership and stop handling those people like mentally unstable children and tell them guns are awesome and to STFU, the democrats would CLEAN UP in most elections. So many republitards I know are single issue voters; the older crowd being abortion and the younger crowd being gun ownership. If you have guns on both sides of the aisle, they will be more willing to listen. If one side says they want to limit magazine capacities and ban 'scary assault rifles' but continue to sell the woodgrain hunting version with the exact same action/caliber/rate of fire/lethality, they are going to see a slippery slope and assume everyone on the blue side is a ****ing moron.
     
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It’s one thing for the NRA to act as a gun manufacturers’ lobby. It’s quite another to take LOTS of money from clearly Russian government sources. Which is the basic reason the organization was targeted by investigators. They were influenced by this large amount of cash from well before the 2016 election campaigns started too.

And Wayne Lapierre, the executive vice president of this “clearly patriotic” organization seems to have used the NRA to commit tax fraud, among other things. The former treasurer, Wilson Phillips, is also under investigation, as are their chief counsel and director of operations. Read some good background here, and here, and here.

And of course when the organization filed for bankruptcy, a lot of major (above board) donors challenged the move, alleging fraud within the topmost levels of organization leadership. There is talk of re-incorporating in Texas while New York investigates...

I guess being “patriotic” seems to be equivalent to “accepting foreign money and influence in order to commit felonies, as well as using your weight to influence an election in the way your foreign “donors” want. Somehow that isn’t what my dictionary says patriotic means...

Anyway, since the 1980s, the NRA has, instead of focusing on safety and education, spread fear and uncertainty. Just looking at major advertisers (other than gun makers) in “American Rifleman” should be an eye opener. “Invest in gold to resist the coming panic!”, “Buy long term legal representation for when they come after you for using your gun!”

Advertisers using names that include “patriot” in shilling for anything from lawn tractors to cell phones... while there are more pages dedicated to “columns” that directly state that “they’re coming for your guns”, and everything implying that if you aren’t 100% behind Donny, you’re so anti-American as to not merit breathing.

The rhetoric has gotten progressively (pun intended) more black-and-white, shriller, and more fear-mongering with each month. I’m not surprised that the organization has imploded. I’m seriously hoping that there will be some deal making by second level executives that will shed light on just how corrupt the four most powerful executives in the organization were.

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If you want to donate, the page is here. Apparently it's split between the 30+ restaurants. Also, the business helps them during the lockdown blues.
Donated also.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Or, maybe there's a "don't talk about the plan" stage after that?
Let me rephrase.

Whomever planned this seemed to not have logistics first and foremost in their mind. This is one of the quickest ways to destroy morale without actually killing people.
     
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I think there’s a reason behind not publishing much about what the Guard troops are supposed to do. It’s harder to plan how to evade or get around something you’re not sure about. I also think that there are a lot of other “resources” on hand, just not terribly visibly.

And while it may seem odd, it’s much easier to put a bunch of guys on trucks and drop them off where you need them than to round up X number of cots, desks and such to support them.

Finally, it seems to me that since the Joint Chiefs have made it clear that they are not amused by the rabble who tried to overthrow our government, and that includes the Secretary of the Army, who is delegated authority to command the DC Guard (via SECDEF, delegated by POTUS). The troops in place are no doubt very aware that they are there to prevent any sort of action against the government.

While they may seem to be milling around, those troops are sending a real message: do NOT **** with the transition process. Instead of a bunch of “helpful” Capital Police sorta-kinda setting up a cordon around the Capital Building, there are real soldiers with real orders to hold their ground and prevent ANY disruption of the planned events.

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Let me rephrase.

Whomever planned this seemed to not have logistics first and foremost in their mind. This is one of the quickest ways to destroy morale without actually killing people.
What reports are you basing this on?
     
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I think there’s a reason behind not publishing much about what the Guard troops are supposed to do. It’s harder to plan how to evade or get around something you’re not sure about. I also think that there are a lot of other “resources” on hand, just not terribly visibly.

And while it may seem odd, it’s much easier to put a bunch of guys on trucks and drop them off where you need them than to round up X number of cots, desks and such to support them.

Finally, it seems to me that since the Joint Chiefs have made it clear that they are not amused by the rabble who tried to overthrow our government, and that includes the Secretary of the Army, who is delegated authority to command the DC Guard (via SECDEF, delegated by POTUS). The troops in place are no doubt very aware that they are there to prevent any sort of action against the government.

While they may seem to be milling around, those troops are sending a real message: do NOT **** with the transition process. Instead of a bunch of “helpful” Capital Police sorta-kinda setting up a cordon around the Capital Building, there are real soldiers with real orders to hold their ground and prevent ANY disruption of the planned events.
As the saying goes, “armchair generals discuss tactics, real generals discuss logistics”. It’s certainly easier for command to drop a bunch of soldiers off without any support, but that’s not easier for the soldiers, who are the ones who have to actually complete the mission.

I’m confused by the “publishing” remarks. What’s getting published is they weren’t provided three hots and a cot.
     
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I think there’s a reason behind not publishing much about what the Guard troops are supposed to do. It’s harder to plan how to evade or get around something you’re not sure about. I also think that there are a lot of other “resources” on hand, just not terribly visibly.
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While they may seem to be milling around, those troops are sending a real message: do NOT **** with the transition process. Instead of a bunch of “helpful” Capital Police sorta-kinda setting up a cordon around the Capital Building, there are real soldiers with real orders to hold their ground and prevent ANY disruption of the planned events.
Troops on the streets have already encountered individuals scoping-out the security setups and taking pictures. I believe one guy was arrested for having a loaded gun (including a chambered round) and a lot of extra ammo in his vehicle.
     
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What reports are you basing this on?
Photos of soldiers sleeping on hard floors and the seeming need to donate food to them.
     
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People are donating food so they don't have to eat MRE rations. Units deployed eat on the run.

I appreciate that they reacted quickly to have boots on the ground asap to set up before the inauguration. It shows they are taking this seriously.
     
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People are donating food so they don't have to eat MRE rations. Units deployed eat on the run.
Units in the field eat on the run.

There’s no reason in this scenario not to have cooks and food tents.
     
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HOWEVER, what I was getting at, is that the democrats also coddle these ****ing morons who are anti-gun. They're typically comprised of boomer karens who've never shot a gun in their life, and think 'semi automatic' is a scary word. There's the granola/hippie peace is the answer crowd that thinks all violence is wrong, and there's the awkward cat girl illustration major types who don't own cars and say they never will own a car because they're bad for the environment and guns are violent therefore wrong.
Man, America is a weird place.
     
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Looks like neither Pence or McConnell will be attending Trump’s big sendoff at Andrews.
     
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Apparently Trump had a going away speech where he promised the best is yet to come. All the comments on it from Trumpers were like: "he's got the military on his side tomorrow they flip the tables" and I know that's malarkey but who knows with these people. I will not be surprised if a bomb goes off somewhere.
     
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As the saying goes, “armchair generals discuss tactics, real generals discuss logistics”. It’s certainly easier for command to drop a bunch of soldiers off without any support, but that’s not easier for the soldiers, who are the ones who have to actually complete the mission.

I’m confused by the “publishing” remarks. What’s getting published is they weren’t provided three hots and a cot.
Eh, from what I understand this is pretty par for the course for American soldiers—very little is provided by way of troop or morale support. If you talk to Canadian soldiers about Afghanistan or Iraq, they’ll tell you hilarious tales about American troops with insane, near-futuristic levels of weaponry who sleep on shit cots, are supplied with almost zero troop amenities like workout facilities etc, and have rudimentary bathroom facilities with an inexplicable fascination for burning their own shit.

Sooooo...I could end this off with a snarky analogy about how it’s just like the rest of America but obviously that would be silly and stupid
     
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I don't get this Presidential Pardon thing AT ALL. I mean I understand but surely a few pardons for people who obviously mis sentenced, or sentenced in an "the law is an ass" kind of way, but really, why does a massive health insurance fraudster, a gun crime rapper and assorted fraudsters and low life get to be pardoned?

BTW I also get Bannon etc. Clinton essentially started that with his crony pardons but isn't this going too far for no real reason at all?
IMHO Biden could do worse than launch with saying this really ends on his watch.
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...who sleep on shit cots...
Shit cot in Afghanistan.

No cot in Washington DC.

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So he's finally gone. Hope Florida likes the daily crazy doses.

When I went to sleep last night, I was wondering if he would do the Nero thing. Have a bomb planted, then leave Rome to burn.

This morning is a big improvement over yesterday. Feels like a good day.
     
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Cory Booker dropped this gem of a tweet yesterday...

     
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They are going for Sydney Powell as well.

I think this is likely just the beginning. With Rudy taking aim at Trump for unpaid fees I think we had better just crack open the popcorn and watch the whole sorry lot of them turn on each other and rip themselves to shreds.
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"All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes,"

Remember that Georgia phone call? It may lead to consequences.
The Georgia secretary of state’s office opened an investigation on Monday into Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the state’s 2020 election results, according to a new report.
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Legal experts said Trump’s phone calls might have violated at least three state criminal election laws: conspiracy to commit election fraud, criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, and intentional interference with performance of election duties.
As Georgia's 16 EC votes were not enough to swing the election, it's a safe bet calls were also placed to Arizona and Pennsylvania officials. Perhaps others. Pity none of those recordings have surfaced.
     
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As Georgia's 16 EC votes were not enough to swing the election, it's a safe bet calls were also placed to Arizona and Pennsylvania officials. Perhaps others. Pity none of those recordings have surfaced.
That's what I've been thinking, too, no way Trump only called Raffensberger in Georgia. It's just that the others aren't talking.
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