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tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 10:30 AM

The Apple Store in Woodfield called yesterday stating the Dual 1.4's just came in on Saturday March 1st (placed my name on the waiting list soon after MacWorld). Ran over there to pick it up plus a 23" HD and AppleCare (of course!). This is replacing my beloved Dual 1ghz QuickSilver I sold several weeks ago along with the 22" display in anticipation of the new stuff. Got home and proceeded to install additional Kingston RAM (gotto love the Newegg prices for 512 DDR 2700!) as well as adding the Revolution 7.1 Sound card, an Adaptec USB 2.0 PCI card and the AIrport Extreme Card. Some observations:
1). The copper heat sync is huge (must be several pounds)
2). The harddrive is the Seagate 120gb unit (definately noisey when writing). Will probably replace with a new 200ghz Western Digital "Drivezilla" with 8mb cache soon.
3). A plastic speaker grill guard came included.
4). The Apple Hardware Test CD is version 2.0
5). The restore DVD includes OS X version 10.2.3 and is labeled as version 1.1
6). iLife installed on the HD (iMove is version 3.01)
7). One piece of 4x DVD media and one Verbatim CDR was also in the box
8). Ditched the white keyboard and mouse for my black Microsoft Office Keyboard and the Logitech MX300 (soon to be a MX700).
9). The DVD burner is the Pioneer 105

Definately a sweet box. The Cinema display's brightness had to be turned all the way down to be comfortably under normal room lights. Great thing is no dead pixels! (Wow).

Already had the new Epson CX5200 combo printer / copier / scanner along with my SoundSticks.

All in all another great experience with everything gelling at first bootup. Benchmark numbers coming this evening.

tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 10:43 AM

Results 147.03
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.4
Physical RAM 1536 MB
Model PowerMac3,6
Processor PowerPC G4x2 @ 1.42 GHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.3
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 1417 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 237 MHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV250
Drive Type ST3120024A
CPU Test 177.08
GCD Recursion 178.51 6.97 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 178.90 602.99 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 179.07 9.72 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 172.04 7.73 Mops/sec
Thread Test 175.86
Computation 177.97 1.43 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 173.79 2.18 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 160.61
System 196.74
Allocate 177.26 59.76 Kalloc/sec
Fill 420.22 2409.71 MB/sec
Copy 138.37 691.83 MB/sec
Stream 135.70
Copy 134.54 588.35 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 140.03 610.94 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 137.13 623.94 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 131.39 577.31 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 162.61
Line 158.31 4.03 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 170.77 12.01 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 178.92 4.12 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 170.20 1.85 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 140.60 2.29 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 148.10
Spinning Squares 148.10 103.64 frames/sec
User Interface Test 159.24
Elements 159.24 54.18 refresh/sec
Disk Test 92.02
Sequential 103.80
Uncached Write 96.01 41.89 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 100.41 40.85 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 131.23 20.67 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 94.86 40.92 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 82.64
Uncached Write 57.08 0.86 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 90.55 20.77 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 97.05 0.63 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 104.85 20.55 MB/sec [256K blocks]

BrunoBruin · Mar 2, 2003, 11:11 AM

I, for one, am insanely jealous. But congratulations!

AGE · Mar 2, 2003, 11:22 AM

Can you do some Q3 benches so I can understand it.. Xbench is a lil overwhelming for us 3d pro's.
I wanna see how good it is for Lightwave..
BTW what video card you get?

kovacs · Mar 2, 2003, 11:35 AM

Damn that's one fast mac, can you rip a few songs from a cd ( 160 VBR ) and see how fast that is ? My little imac gets 3-4 x and my iMac 800 gets around 10 I think...

Axo1ot1 · Mar 2, 2003, 12:58 PM

Noise level? Is it noisy? I want to get one to replace my MDD dual 1 GHz but I must know about noise level!!!

macvillage.net · Mar 2, 2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by BrunoBruin:
I, for one, am insanely jealous. But congratulations!

I second that.

Leonis · Mar 2, 2003, 02:23 PM

Could you run Cinebench 2003?

It's available at Maxon's web site

ftp://ftp.maxoncomputer.co.uk/pub/be...bench_2003.sit

I want to see how this machine performs.

Thanks

Kenneth · 04:43 PM

Good news! Apple finally has those top-of-line PowerMac shipped (now..just waiting for the Lapizlla). Although, I'm not on the 1.42Ghz and 23" display boat. My xBench score is about 138 on my 1 week old 1.25Ghz w/ 1.25GB Micron RAM.

I love my 17" studio display too... same as you.. I have to press F14 key to the lowest level.

I'm upgrading from an iMac 333 anyway.

I'm sure you'll enjoy your new system and display. The Seagate drive is noisy indeed.

Just for ref. to see my machine does.

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester :

Processor : G4 7455 v3.2
MHz : 1250
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System : 10.2.4 (6I32)

Graphics Card : ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (RV250)
Resolution : 1280 x 1024
Color Depth : Millions

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 119 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 216 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.82

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 148 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 387 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 551 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 3.73

************************************************** **

Mark Tungston · Mar 2, 2003, 05:08 PM

first of all, i want to say congratulations and that i am jealous as i am on a 500mhz powerbook. So Kenneth and tcwikla, lucky YOU!

as owners of new PM machines i think you need to do a favor for the rest of us for apple's future PM hardware. Here it is:

Email or contact Apple and write to them about how disappointed in the machines you are. Include your real name and order number and yell at them for being:

� overpriced
� underperforming
� pathetic compared to PCs.
� how you should have bought a Dell and will never buy a Apple computer ever again and will switch everybody you know to PCs.

Even though it's all fake and blatent lies, despite your happiness with your new purchase, you must let them know that they must get the 970 into the Powermacs soon.

I think a negative response coming from a person who just bought a top of the line machine will spur them to seriously contemplate how to make Powermacs better in the future.

Spliffdaddy · 05:57 PM

Seemed logical to test this 2.8GHz Pentium4 against 2.8GHz worth of G4. Please forgive the $29 Radeon card...it tries real hard, but falls flat on its face.

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester :

Processor : Pentium4 512KB L2
MHz : 2800
Number of CPUs : 1
Operating System : Windows XP Pro

Graphics Card : Radeon7000 OEM
Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 32bit

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 264 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): --- CB-CPU

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 259 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 466 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 307 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 1.80

************************************************** **

EDIT:

whoa! there's something you'll never see again. My CPU can render OpenGL lighting faster in software than my video card can do it in hardware. Bottleneck from hell right there.

tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Leonis:
Could you run Cinebench 2003?

It's available at Maxon's web site

ftp://ftp.maxoncomputer.co.uk/pub/be...bench_2003.sit

I want to see how this machine performs.

Thanks

Results:

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester :

Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System :

Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 136 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 244 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.80

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 166 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 430 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 578 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 3.48

************************************************** **

This is a stock configuration aprt from the added RAM. Will probably exchange the ATI RADEON 9000 board with my TI-4600 soon.

tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by kovacs:
Damn that's one fast mac, can you rip a few songs from a cd ( 160 VBR ) and see how fast that is ? My little imac gets 3-4 x and my iMac 800 gets around 10 I think...

Using iTunes and the default VBR of 160 and ripping P.O.D's Satellite, the tracks started with 10-12X at the beginning then transitioned to 15-17 in the middle then toppped off at 19-23 at the end (based on a total of 15 tracks averaging 3-5 minutes per song. This is based on the stock Pioneer 105 DVD burner.

tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Noise level? Is it noisy? I want to get one to replace my MDD dual 1 GHz but I must know about noise level!!!

I previously had the Dual QuickSilver so I really can't compare to the previously reported problems with the MDD. There is a persistant low rumble of rushing air and a slight "tick" from a rotating fan (turns on and off from time to time) - sort of like a muted air conditioner or ceiling fan running on low. My external Western Digital firewire HD drowns this out next to my keyboard when mounted. (The computer is on the floor next to the desk). As noted elsewhere, the is an initial jet-like whirl on bootup whcih subsides before the OS X grey screen bootup sequence. Otherwise you know its on but very pleasant to work with.

CatOne · Mar 2, 2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Seemed logical to test this 2.8GHz Pentium4 against 2.8GHz worth of G4. Please forgive the $29 Radeon card...it tries real hard, but falls flat on its face.

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester :

Processor : Pentium4 512KB L2
MHz : 2800
Number of CPUs : 1
Operating System : Windows XP Pro

Graphics Card : Radeon7000 OEM
Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 32bit

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 264 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): --- CB-CPU

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 259 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 466 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 307 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 1.80

************************************************** **

EDIT:

whoa! there's something you'll never see again. My CPU can render OpenGL lighting faster in software than my video card can do it in hardware. Bottleneck from hell right there.

A radeon 7000 in a 2800 MHz Pentium... heh. Slap a Radeon 9700 in there and see that shading number hit 1000-1500 somewhere ;-)

tcwikla · Mar 2, 2003, 09:35 PM

[Updated with GeForce 4 Ti 4600 card with 128mb DRAM and new Western Digital 200gb "Drivezilla" with 8mb cache. Clean install of 10.2.4 with optional Classic stuff not installed:

Results 151.05
System Info
Xbench Version 1.0
System Version 10.2.4
Physical RAM 1536 MB
Model PowerMac3,6
Processor PowerPC G4x2 @ 1.42 GHz
Version 7455 (Apollo) v3.3
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 256K @ 1417 MHz
L3 Cache 2048K @ 237 MHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card GeForce4 Ti 4600
Drive Type WDC WD2000JB-00DUA0
CPU Test 176.75
GCD Recursion 178.51 6.97 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 176.89 596.29 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 179.31 9.73 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 172.46 7.75 Mops/sec
Thread Test 172.34
Computation 176.95 1.43 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 167.97 2.11 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 158.16
System 195.22
Allocate 177.61 59.88 Kalloc/sec
Fill 421.84 2418.98 MB/sec
Copy 135.76 678.78 MB/sec
Stream 132.92
Copy 132.88 581.09 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 138.12 602.61 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 131.85 599.90 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 129.16 567.55 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 158.42
Line 160.89 4.10 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 146.78 10.33 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 161.92 3.73 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 162.72 1.77 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 161.00 2.62 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 179.55
Spinning Squares 179.55 125.65 frames/sec
User Interface Test 158.07
Elements 158.07 53.78 refresh/sec
Disk Test 96.60
Sequential 97.65
Uncached Write 92.77 40.47 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 134.18 54.59 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 150.80 23.75 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 62.11 26.79 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 95.58
Uncached Write 69.07 1.04 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 113.25 25.98 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 98.41 0.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 119.35 23.39 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Cheers!

Leonis · Mar 2, 2003, 10:38 PM

The 1.42 one doesn't seem worth it for 3D stuff for the price.

Here's the result from my one year old Dual GHz SlowSilver(tm)

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester : Pollux Chung

Processor : G4
MHz : 1024MHZ
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System : Mac OS X 10.24

Graphics Card : GeForce 4 Ti 4600
Resolution : 1680x1050
Color Depth : 32-bit

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 96 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 177 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.85

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 120 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 338 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 730 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 6.10

************************************************** *

Mac Zealot · Mar 2, 2003, 11:06 PM

I wish I could upgrade my setup like that.

Lol only wait 6 months and get a shiny new computer. How much money do you make a year to be able to afford that?

AGE · Mar 2, 2003, 11:25 PM

Leonis you use C4D right?
How is the powermac with NVTi card in 3D design? i.e Displaying High rez textures, thousands of polys on screen, rendering etc?

Leonis · 11:59 PM

Originally posted by AGE:
Leonis you use C4D right?
How is the powermac with NVTi card in 3D design? i.e Displaying High rez textures, thousands of polys on screen, rendering etc?

Yeap I am using the R8 Studio Bundle

Screen redraw between the MX and Ti are very similar

However in the Cinebench the Ti handles the test files much much better than the MX. In Cinebench the Ti on my SlowSilver(tm) gets 720-800CB on Hardware OpenGL....but the 4MX only gets 130CB max

Cinebench is based on 8.1.....so once Maxon releases the 8.1 update I guess the editor will see huge improvements in speed when using Ti

Any SlowSilver(tm) or later macs with Ti card are just fine for 3D design. It's just rendering that sucks compare to PCs.

dfiler · 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Mark Tungston:
Email or contact Apple and write to them about how disappointed in the machines you are.
...
I think a negative response coming from a person who just bought a top of the line machine will spur them to seriously contemplate how to make Powermacs better in the future.

I think this is extremely rude and counter-productive!

Do you honestly think that Apple is unaware of the G4's stagnation and declining power mac sales? Who do you think is most pissed off by the stalled G4 clock speeds? Do you think that they've lost interest in improving the power macs? ... Like they are going to receive his email and say "Gee we didn't realize that."

Ever heard of the phrase "Preaching to the choir"? Except in this case you're advocating that people bitch at the choir because the choir couldn't get new sheet music from their supplier.

liquidh2o · Mar 3, 2003, 06:43 PM

could you please expand on this a bit? I'm in the market for DDR memory and with past experiences on the pc side of things, kingston was considered pretty top notch. I ran through newegg.com and couldn't find any 512mb pc2700 sticks of ram for the mac. I noticed they were available for the pc, but was unsure if they were cross platform compatible between the pc and the mac. Your insight would be greatly appreciated on this. Thanks.

Got home and proceeded to install additional Kingston RAM (gotto love the Newegg prices for 512 DDR 2700!)

Cobalt2003 · Mar 3, 2003, 06:58 PM

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! HOLD ON

COPPER HEATSINK?

My dual 1.25 is Aluminum!

tcwikla · Mar 3, 2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by liquidh2o:
could you please expand on this a bit? I'm in the market for DDR memory and with past experiences on the pc side of things, kingston was considered pretty top notch. I ran through newegg.com and couldn't find any 512mb pc2700 sticks of ram for the mac. I noticed they were available for the pc, but was unsure if they were cross platform compatible between the pc and the mac. Your insight would be greatly appreciated on this. Thanks.

Don't look in the Mac section, just search for Kingston under System Memory in the main PC section. I believe their part number is N82E16820144201. As of 6:00pm CST on 3-03-03 the price per piece is $61.50. Ordered 2 pieces previously to take the stock 512mb to 1.5gb of DRAM (works great). Order another piece to fill each slot. 2gb DRAM here I come!

tcwikla · Mar 3, 2003, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Cobalt2003:
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! HOLD ON

COPPER HEATSINK?

My dual 1.25 is Aluminum!

Possible correction - the COLOR is copper not sure what the metal actually is. Is this important?

aehaas · Mar 3, 2003, 09:18 PM

Copper has over 50 percent better thermal conductivity than aluminum. Of course Cu is also 3 times heavier, and do not forget the added expense over Al.

My guess is that they wanted the better thermal transfer rate. This allows for a smaller fan as well.

It seems they listened to our complaints and used the more expensive stuff to placate us.

aehaas

PacHead · Mar 3, 2003, 09:23 PM

It's strange that many here find the seagates noisy.

Does it come with the barracuda IV or V ?

Those drives are supposed to be the quietest drives one can purchase, with the IV being quiet, and the V being even more silent running.

Congrats on your new mac though, a 1.4 ghz must rock !

Kenneth · Mar 3, 2003, 10:04 PM

Could you take a picture of the "copper" heat sink and the internal parts?

On my dual 1.25(FW800), they use the same old 7lbs heat sink. (I did remove it..it is darn heavy)
The heat sink:
http://homepage.mac.com/kennethyan/....s/DSC01439.JPG

The stock HD is ST380024A (Seagate 80GB), it is noisy while "reading/writing" than my other older Maxtor 60GB (5T060H6) and Western Digital 120GB (WD1200JB-00CRA1) HDs.

I'm going to install 10.2.4 on the WD drive later on.. any softRAID expect here? I'm going to try it.

Kind of funny.. I bought the system on my birthday (11 days ago).. and now it is no longer the top-of-the-line.

superfula · Mar 4, 2003, 12:07 AM

I have the dual 1.25 fw800 and my heatseat is the lovely Aluminum as well.

I only hear the harddrive when I move stuff around, and that could be one of my noisier Maxtor's as well.

alex_kac · Mar 4, 2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Mark Tungston:
you must let them know that they must get the 970 into the Powermacs soon.

I think a negative response coming from a person who just bought a top of the line machine will spur them to seriously contemplate how to make Powermacs better in the future.

I don't get it. Why not tell them how they must have the "Minority Report" GUI now and how disappointed you are in the Mac OS GUI to help spur them to better OS efforts.

THEY CAN'T SHIP WHAT ISN"T EVEN MANUFACTURED YET.

You can bet that the moment a 970 chip rolls out of the factory - even before its tested, Apple will announce (but not ship) 970 based PowerMacs.

Doing what you ask just adds to the noise uselessly.

Elderloc · Mar 4, 2003, 04:57 AM

Could you post a picture of the new heat sink so we can all see. I have a 1.25 Dual (OLD) and a 23" Apple LCD and I'm jealous. I just hope the replacement PSU will make this beast silent. My 3.06 P4 is silent when compared to my Dual 1.25 G4.

ARK · 12:18 PM

Originally posted by tcwikla:
The Apple Store in Woodfield called yesterday stating the Dual 1.4's just came in on Saturday March 1st (placed my name on the waiting list soon after MacWorld). Ran over there to pick it up plus a 23" HD and AppleCare (of course!). This is replacing my beloved Dual 1ghz QuickSilver I sold several weeks ago along with the 22" display in anticipation of the new stuff. Got home and proceeded to install additional Kingston RAM (gotto love the Newegg prices for 512 DDR 2700!) as well as adding the Revolution 7.1 Sound card, an Adaptec USB 2.0 PCI card and the AIrport Extreme Card. Some observations:
1). The copper heat sync is huge (must be several pounds)
2). The harddrive is the Seagate 120gb unit (definately noisey when writing). Will probably replace with a new 200ghz Western Digital "Drivezilla" with 8mb cache soon.
3). A plastic speaker grill guard came included.
4). The Apple Hardware Test CD is version 2.0
5). The restore DVD includes OS X version 10.2.3 and is labeled as version 1.1
6). iLife installed on the HD (iMove is version 3.01)
7). One piece of 4x DVD media and one Verbatim CDR was also in the box
8). Ditched the white keyboard and mouse for my black Microsoft Office Keyboard and the Logitech MX300 (soon to be a MX700).
9). The DVD burner is the Pioneer 105

Definately a sweet box. The Cinema display's brightness had to be turned all the way down to be comfortably under normal room lights. Great thing is no dead pixels! (Wow).

Already had the new Epson CX5200 combo printer / copier / scanner along with my SoundSticks.

All in all another great experience with everything gelling at first bootup. Benchmark numbers coming this evening.

What did you use to benchmark your system? Got a link?

Friend of mine just ran cinebench on his Powerbook G4 667 DVI

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
***********************************************

Processor : G4
MHz : 667MHZ
Number of CPUs : 1
Operating System : Mac OS X 10.24

Graphics Card : not sure
Resolution : not sure
Color Depth : not sure

***********************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 59 CB-CPU

Shading (CINEMA 4D): 73 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting): 167 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 100 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 2.30

tcwikla · Mar 4, 2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
It's strange that many here find the seagates noisy.

Does it come with the barracuda IV or V ?

Those drives are supposed to be the quietest drives one can purchase, with the IV being quiet, and the V being even more silent running.

Congrats on your new mac though, a 1.4 ghz must rock !

It came with the Barracuda V. Fast but audibly "creaky" when writing. It was replaced with the Western Digital 200gb Drivezilla with a format capacity of 186gb - definately quiter. One word of caution for anybody attempting to format a boot drive. DO NOT SELECT THE CHECKBOX TO "INSTALL Mac OS 9 Drivers". After installing OS X 10.2.3 from the Restore DVD, the computer crashes at first bootup. Had to reinstall the Barracuda as the boot drive and format the Western Digital via Disk Utility without this support to be able to install OS X and boot from it as the sole drive. Drove me nuts for an hour before I figured this out.

tcwikla · Mar 4, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by ARK:
What did you use to benchmark your system? Got a link?

Friend of mine just ran cinebench on his Powerbook G4 667 DVI

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
***********************************************

Processor : G4
MHz : 667MHZ
Number of CPUs : 1
Operating System : Mac OS X 10.24

Graphics Card : not sure
Resolution : not sure
Color Depth : not sure

***********************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 59 CB-CPU

Shading (CINEMA 4D): 73 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting): 167 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 100 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 2.30

XBench 1.0 and CinemaBench as well (see previous posts from tcwikla above). The XBench results are also posted online via the database at www.xbench.com. Look for the two posts for the DDR section for "Tom Cwikla's computer" or such. Thanks

Kenneth · Mar 4, 2003, 02:26 PM

Interesting... the stock 1.42 DP ships with the 8MB cache HD from Seagate (ST3120024A). Too bad, when I look at the results.. my Western Digital drive is still better in the 120GB class... with 3-yrs warranty as well.

raferx · Mar 4, 2003, 03:33 PM

Pathetic:

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester : Rafe

Processor : Mac DP 1GHz
MHz : 2000
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System : 10.2.4

Graphics Card : nVIDIA GF 4MX
Resolution : <1600x1200>
Color Depth : <32bit>

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 95 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 173 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.82

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 119 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 328 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 171 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 2.75

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
************************************************** **

Tester : Rafe

Processor : Athlon XP2400
MHz : 2000
Number of CPUs : 1
Operating System : W2000Pro

Graphics Card : MSI GF4 440MX
Resolution : <1600x1200>
Color Depth : <32bit>

************************************************** **

Rendering (Single CPU): 248 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): --- CB-CPU

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 255 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 917 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 837 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 3.60

************************************************** **

Leonis · Mar 4, 2003, 04:04 PM

Look like no one has beaten me on the OpenGL score (except PCs)

Axo1ot1 · Mar 4, 2003, 04:55 PM

how about noise? is the noise level tolerable?

Mark Tungston · Mar 4, 2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by alex_kac:
I don't get it. Why not tell them how they must have the "Minority Report" GUI now and how disappointed you are in the Mac OS GUI to help spur them to better OS efforts.

THEY CAN'T SHIP WHAT ISN"T EVEN MANUFACTURED YET.

You can bet that the moment a 970 chip rolls out of the factory - even before its tested, Apple will announce (but not ship) 970 based PowerMacs.

Doing what you ask just adds to the noise uselessly.

at this point...who knows what apple is gonna do

i know for a fact people respond 1000x faster when you say negative things vs. positive things

i'm just all about getting a 970 in PMs

AGE · Mar 4, 2003, 09:02 PM

I agree... Apple responds to profits, less profits means drastic means.. 4 years in ahole is far too long.

Norty · Mar 4, 2003, 10:52 PM

After scrolling through the benchmark tests, I'm confused. I guess I just don't know what all those numbers mean. I'm a Photoshop digital art pro. that doesn't do 3-d animation or games... Will someone summarize the data answering the following: How does the new 1.42 compare to the fastest PC for Photoshop? How does it compare in terms of 3-D and video? And will the 9700 card make a big difference do to its bigger pipeline?

Leonis · 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Norty:
After scrolling through the benchmark tests, I'm confused. I guess I just don't know what all those numbers mean. I'm a Photoshop digital art pro. that doesn't do 3-d animation or games... Will someone summarize the data answering the following: How does the new 1.42 compare to the fastest PC for Photoshop? How does it compare in terms of 3-D and video? And will the 9700 card make a big difference do to its bigger pipeline?

3d in general....Mac is 2x the cost for half the speed of the PC. period.

sleepyrenderer · Mar 5, 2003, 12:55 AM

tcwickla, can you post PSBench7 scores for your new system? You can find instructions here and if you don't own a copy of Photoshop 7 the demo will suffice.

Cobalt2003 · Mar 5, 2003, 02:27 AM

yup, its copper

http://duxbury.la/images/142.jpg

superfula · Mar 5, 2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Cobalt2003:
yup, its copper

http://duxbury.la/images/142.jpg

Hmm...on my dual 1.25, the first ram slot and the heatsink are closer than the dual 1.42. the ram would almost be touching the hs. Ram was getting pretty hot, so i vacated slot 1 and used the rest.

Spliffdaddy · Mar 5, 2003, 03:32 AM

looks like it has heatpipes. can somebody tell if those four round doohickeys appear to be sealed copper tubes?

Shaktai · Mar 5, 2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Mark Tungston:
at this point...who knows what apple is gonna do

i know for a fact people respond 1000x faster when you say negative things vs. positive things

i'm just all about getting a 970 in PMs

And if you really believe that, I feel sorry for you. You know little about human nature, and less about the real corporate world. Totally negative responses, especially those that are threatening, are actually the quickest way to get ignored. They might get you a canned we're sorry response, and a less then entusiastic "here is something for your trouble" before they get passed around, laughed at and then thrown out A response that will get noticed and better real results is one that is professional in nature, and points out specific shortcomings, and what is needed and why, tempered with a little bit of what works well.

Apple knows what is needed, and knows it is in their best interest financially and otherwise to get there. However, they have to work with what they can get, and we all know that Motorola hasn't delivered. They have examined their options, and will chart their course accordingly. Hopefully that will include the 970, or something better.

coolmac · Mar 5, 2003, 09:42 PM

All in all what do you think of the benchmarks of the dual 1.42gig?

Patcarla · Mar 5, 2003, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Mac Zealot:
I wish I could upgrade my setup like that.

Lol only wait 6 months and get a shiny new computer. How much money do you make a year to be able to afford that?

Same question here!

I'm a bit jealous I think...

tcwikla · Mar 6, 2003, 10:26 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sleepyrenderer:
tcwickla, can you post PSBench7 scores for your new system? You can find instructions here and if you don't own a copy of Photoshop 7 the demo will suffice. [/QUOTE

Have PhotoShop 7 but a total graphics newbie. I don't understand how this "Action" thing gets invoked. If someone can provide step by step instructions, I would be most greatful.