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Landos Mustache · Jul 4, 2006, 03:09 PM

"Before al-Qaeda launched the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks against New York and Washington, Bush was stumbling in a presidency that many Americans felt was headed nowhere. As Bush took a month-long vacation at his Texas ranch in August 2001, his big issue was a plan to restrict stem-cell research on moral grounds.

Privately, Bush’s neoconservative advisers were chafing under what they saw as the complacency of the American people unwilling to take on the mantle of global policeman as the world’s sole superpower. The neocons hoped for some “Pearl Harbor” incident that would galvanize a public consensus for action against Iraq and other “rogue states.”

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/070306.html

It all seems very plausible to me. Bush before 9/11 was nothing. He was only re-elected because Americans felt that he was the only one willing to wave flags and run with guns to "protect" Americans from terrorists. It is all about creating fear and offering a means of protection to get people to do whatever you want them to do.

Judging by polls it seems Americans are waking up to what the rest of the world saw years ago and next election he won't be re-elected again.

PB2K · Jul 4, 2006, 03:16 PM

i think they are on to you

BRussell · Jul 4, 2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

next election he won't be re-elected again.

I can guarantee that.

Landos Mustache · Jul 4, 2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by BRussell

I can guarantee that.

People did think the same last election because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.

Watch there be some other terrorist attack before his next election and he'll be around for a few more years.

BRussell · Jul 4, 2006, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

People did think the same last election because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.

Watch there be some other terrorist attack before his next election and he'll be around for a few more years.

But this time we know absolutely for certain he won't be re-elected.

Kerrigan · Jul 4, 2006, 03:44 PM

SWG, what Brussell is saying is that a US president can only serve two terms. After that, they must step down.

That's why popular presidents like Reagan and Clinton were only around for two terms.

Landos Mustache · Jul 4, 2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

SWG, what Brussell is saying is that a US president can only serve two terms. After that, they must step down.

That's why popular presidents like Reagan and Clinton were only around for two terms.

Well thank god for that! Lets hope the rules aren't changed.

Kevin · Jul 4, 2006, 03:53 PM

This place is starting to remind me of white trash magazines at the nearest 7-11

Thank you SWF.

Gossamer · Jul 4, 2006, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

People did think the same last election because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.

Watch there be some other terrorist attack before his next election and he'll be around for a few more years.

Haha...stick to complaining about Canada.

Chuckit · Jul 4, 2006, 03:56 PM

I really doubt the Constitution is going to be changed so Bush can serve another term.

voodoo · Jul 4, 2006, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I really doubt the Constitution is going to be changed so Bush can serve another term.

Me too. Even most of his Republican party members are sick of him already. They'd rather take their chance with someone new I think.

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Kevin · Jul 4, 2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Me too. Even most of his Republican party members are sick of him already.

Millennium · Jul 4, 2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I really doubt the Constitution is going to be changed so Bush can serve another term.

Bush doesn't dare revoke the Presidential term limits. Clinton -Bill, not Hillary- has voiced some interest in such a thing, and so if the limits are repealed Bush would find himself up against another Clinton/Gore ticket. For better or for worse, Bush stands no chance against Bill Clinton in an election, and he knows it.

voodoo · Jul 4, 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Bush stands no chance against Bill Clinton in an election, and he knows it.

That is true. Bill Clinton would be re-elected if he were eligeble for office.

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Kevin · Jul 4, 2006, 04:44 PM

Not so sure about that. Depends who he ran against. Bush ? Sure.

80s era Reagan? No way.

voodoo · Jul 4, 2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not so sure about that. Depends who he ran against. Bush ? Sure.

80s era Reagan? No way.

Reagan vs JFK?

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Kevin · Jul 4, 2006, 05:10 PM

One would then have to ask how much of his murder had to do with people thinking JFK was so great.

Meaning I doubt if JFK would have such a following had he not been assassinated.

Just like I don't think a lot of people would have been had they not died young.

Kerrigan · Jul 4, 2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Reagan vs JFK?

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JFK vs Chester Arthur?

voodoo · Jul 4, 2006, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

One would then have to ask how much of his murder had to do with people thinking JFK was so great.

Meaning I doubt if JFK would have such a following had he not been assassinated.

Just like I don't think a lot of people would have been had they not died young.

I think he was more charismatic and sympathetic than Reagan. That's all you need to win a presidential election, so I go for JFK.

How about Nixon vs Reagan? Arnold would vote Nixon.

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voodoo · Jul 4, 2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

JFK vs Chester Arthur?

Chester Arthus vs Barbara Bush?

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Landos Mustache · Jul 4, 2006, 05:19 PM

Schwarzenegger for president

Kerrigan · Jul 4, 2006, 05:23 PM

"The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line 2008. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Schwarzenegger begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, voters try to pull the plug.

"It is too late, you are terminated"

Pendergast · Jul 4, 2006, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

People did think the same last election because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes.

Watch there be some other terrorist attack before his next election and he'll be around for a few more years.

But now that NK is doing some firing practice...

Landos Mustache · Jul 4, 2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Pendergast

But now that NK is doing some firing practice...

The timing is always pretty good isn't it. And on the 4th of July no less.

Wiskedjak · Jul 5, 2006, 10:27 PM

So, no one wishes to discuss the claim that the CIA concluded that Bin Laden Bush to win the 2004 election?

SimeyTheLimey · Jul 5, 2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

So, no one wishes to discuss the claim that the CIA concluded that Bin Laden Bush to win the 2004 election?

This is the wrong site. Try www.democraticunderground.com

subego · Jul 5, 2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Reagan vs JFK?

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Would JFK be schtupping Angelina Jolie on the side?

(or on the top... HAR! HAR!)

Wiskedjak · Jul 5, 2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey

This is the wrong site. Try www.democraticunderground.com

So, no one wishes to discuss the claim that the CIA concluded that Bin Laden Bush to win the 2004 election.

voodoo · Jul 5, 2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

So, no one wishes to discuss the claim that the CIA concluded that Bin Laden wanted Bush to win the 2004 election.

Fixed

Is there something to discuss? OBL had a lot to gain if Bush won the election.. but OBL isn't a registered voter.

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Wiskedjak · Jul 5, 2006, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Fixed

Is there something to discuss? OBL had a lot to gain if Bush won the election.. but OBL isn't a registered voter.

V

Thanks for the fix.

I think the issue at hand is whether OBL wanted Bush in the Whitehouse, and if that is an opinion shared by the CIA.

voodoo · Jul 5, 2006, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I think the issue at hand is whether OBL wanted Bush in the Whitehouse, and if that is an opinion shared by the CIA.

Well.. OBL had more to gain with Bush in the Whitehouse for another 4 years. Kerry would have succeeded in calming the Iraq civil war.

Anything is possible if there is political will for it. OBL wanted Bush as president, I don't know if CIA agrees. Even if they had intelligence either way, would you trust it?

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Kevin · Jul 5, 2006, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Well.. OBL had more to gain with Bush in the Whitehouse for another 4 years. Kerry would have succeeded in calming the Iraq civil war.

I'd love to know where you got your crystal ball at.

Tell us, what would have Kerry done? (In his own words please)

subego · Jul 6, 2006, 12:37 AM

Never mind. Misread the post.

analogika · Jul 6, 2006, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

This place is starting to remind me of white trash magazines at the nearest 7-11

Thank you SWF.

Oh, it's been that way for a while.

Kevin · Jul 6, 2006, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Oh, it's been that way for a while.

Hmm Lets see, a BLOG posting with conspiracy theories, compared to a National News Network posting actual news.

Nope sorry analog. Your comparison is invalid.

Maybe if you use ONE more smiley, it will help.

voodoo · Jul 6, 2006, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Hmm Lets see, a BLOG posting with conspiracy theories, compared to a National News Network posting actual news.

Nope sorry analog. Your comparison is invalid.

Maybe if you use ONE more smiley, it will help.

Fox isn't news, it is entertainment. You know. Like the Daily Show.

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Kevin · Jul 6, 2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Fox isn't news, it is entertainment. You know. Like the Daily Show.

V

Maybe in your unreality voodoo

voodoo · Jul 6, 2006, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Maybe in your unreality voodoo

Please.. my 'unreality'?

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Landos Mustache · Jul 6, 2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Fox isn't news, it is entertainment. You know. Like the Daily Show.

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Watching fox news is like watching Die Hard.

Kevin · Jul 6, 2006, 12:12 PM

Hyyyperbooolle!

Dakar · Jul 6, 2006, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Watching fox news is like watching Die Hard.

I'd watch o'Reilly running across broken glass bare foot.

Landos Mustache · Jul 6, 2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I'd watch o'Reilly running across broken glass bare foot.

Ya really. Or jumping off a tall building.

kobi · Jul 6, 2006, 12:19 PM

Two words that shouldn't be used together in the same sentence. Unless they are used separately.

Fox and News.

What a joke!!

Kevin · Jul 6, 2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by kobi

Two words that shouldn't be used together in the same sentence. Unless they are used separately.

Fox and News.

What a joke!!

This comes from the side that takes The Daily Show seriously.

voodoo · Jul 6, 2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

This comes from the side that takes The Daily Show seriously.

No, that's entertainment. Like Fox 'news'. The Daily Show takes pains to let people know almost every episode that they are a fake news show on Comedy Central. Fox 'news' should do the same.

I'm sure OBL helped Bush get re-elected btw.

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Gossamer · Jul 6, 2006, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

No, that's entertainment. Like Fox 'news'. The Daily Show takes pains to let people know almost every episode that they are a fake news show on Comedy Central. Fox 'news' should do the same.

I'm sure OBL helped Bush get re-elected btw.

V

In the thread about Ann Coulter I pointed out how MSNBC called Ann's latest book a 'screech.' True or not, they're definitely not remaining unbiased. It goes both ways, so don't try and claim that your side is innocent and the other side should be damned to hell.

voodoo · Jul 6, 2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

In the thread about Ann Coulter I pointed out how MSNBC called Ann's latest book a 'screech.' True or not, they're definitely not remaining unbiased. It goes both ways, so don't try and claim that your side is innocent and the other side should be damned to hell.

Hey fool. You have no idea what my side is. Now go back to play with the other rabid knee-jerk brainwashees.

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davesimondotcom · Jul 6, 2006, 02:10 PM

So bin Laden helped Bush by saying that he wanted Kerry to win. I can agree with that.

What I can't agree with is the "reverse-reverse pshychology" thing you all have going on here, where bin Laden wanted Bush to win, so he said he wanted Kerry to win.

Just makes me think of the Princess Bride when Vizzini and Dread Pirate Robert have their battle of wits with the iocane powder.

"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line."

...and a lot less known is this: "Always vote for who bin Laden wants you to vote for because who he wants you to vote for is actually who he wants to lose!"

INCONCIEVABLE!

Landos Mustache · Jul 6, 2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

INCONCIEVABLE!

davesimondotcom · Jul 6, 2006, 02:18 PM

Now no more rhyming, and I mean it!