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Shaktai · Jun 15, 2005, 08:24 PM

We have risen to the #2 spot in Predictor.

The #1 team is 538,479 points ahead of us, but we are outcrunching them by more then 48,000 per day.

Way to go team.

mikkyo · Jun 16, 2005, 02:19 AM

Soon we will rule the...uh
protein?

Turns out a couple of my machines were offline due to a power outage, they are back.
Oh and everyone should wish for ethernet cables as macgeek4u says he can put 10 more machines online if he can find cables.

Scotttheking · Jun 16, 2005, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by mikkyo

Soon we will rule the...uh
protein?

Turns out a couple of my machines were offline due to a power outage, they are back.
Oh and everyone should wish for ethernet cables as macgeek4u says he can put 10 more machines online if he can find cables.

What length? I've got a pile.

mikkyo · Jun 18, 2005, 06:12 PM

He got some 10footer double shielded gigbit happy ones.

buggsuperstar · Jun 20, 2005, 06:51 AM

We're simply eating up the difference between us and Overclockers at No 1.

We should be at the pinnacle in a jiffy!

as2 · Jun 20, 2005, 07:26 AM

Thought I'd help out now I've got a computer that actually works!

buggsuperstar · Jun 20, 2005, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by as2

Thought I'd help out now I've got a computer that actually works!

Welcome aboard!

mikkyo · Jun 20, 2005, 12:36 PM

OCUK -OvercockersUK is aware of us but appear to be helpless..
Predictor Team Stompage warning!

Though they will pass us in CPDN, and revel in that, they haven't realized that if we move half our Predictor power to CPDN after establishing a 500k lead, we would maintain #1 in Predictor and stomp then in CPDN too. Heh, even 1/3 would do it.

I also think they assume we won't read their forum.

Remember play nice with taunting the other teams, we don't want to come off as jerks just because we stomp.

buggsuperstar · Jun 20, 2005, 12:55 PM

Are we going to take this from a bunch of crapple mac using girls or are we going to fight back?

er well, er, I mean the Team MacNN, are crapple mac using girls. Anyone using crapple macs in our team is obviously the epitomy of manlyness.

mikkyo · Jun 20, 2005, 01:00 PM

Sticks and stones may break our bones, but childish teasing won't make us cry.

buggsuperstar · Jun 23, 2005, 07:42 AM

The BIONICstats.com page for Predictor seems to be borked.

It hasn't been updating for almost 2 days now.

Shaktai · Jun 23, 2005, 03:38 PM

Okay everyone, I'm off on a two week business trip to the Philipines with no one to watch my machines.
Nobody except Welnic is allowed to pass me in predictor until after I get back.

buggsuperstar · Jun 23, 2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shaktai

Okay everyone, I'm off on a two week business trip to the Philipines with no one to watch my machines.
Nobody except Welnic is allowed to pass me in predictor until after I get back.

All the best Shaktai.

When you get back we'll be sitting pretty at No 1.

jamil5454 · 08:54 PM

Woohoo. I'm joining the team with my DP 2.0 PowerMac.

If I can just figure out how to do it...

buggsuperstar · Jun 24, 2005, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by jamil5454

Woohoo. I'm joining the team with my DP 2.0 PowerMac.

If I can just figure out how to do it...

Welcome jamil5454,

First you have to create a BIONIC account here .

Then to join Team MacNN, go to our team page and click on join.

Your account will show up on the stats page after you have returned some work units.

The BIONICstats.com page for Team MacNN will give you a nice ranking of the team and members.

Glad to have your machine on board.

We're almost about to scale to the No. 1 spot in about a couple of days.

Crunch on!

jamil5454 · Jun 24, 2005, 10:24 PM

Thanks

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mikkyo · Jun 25, 2005, 08:36 PM

Well we made it to #1!!!
Good job everyone!
It sure is nice when everyone works as a team to achieve a goal, and this is a significant one for the team.

After this next week we should be well enough ahead to adjust the crunch focus onto another project.
For those wanting to jump early, at least hang on through the weekend so we can establish a good lead.

Shaktai · Jun 25, 2005, 09:40 PM

Ya Hooo!!!! Great job everyone. And thanks to mikkyo for those optimized clients that made it a little easier.

I agree, let's build a solid lead, and then maybe we can go after another project.

buggsuperstar · Jun 25, 2005, 10:55 PM

Yes!! We're No. 1!!

So any idea which project we're going to tackle next?

drengy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:25 PM

I agree we should pad our lead on Predictor a bit before we move on.

As far as what we should move to, I vote for climateprediction.

bobobo · Jun 26, 2005, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Shaktai

Ya Hooo!!!! Great job everyone. And thanks to mikkyo for those optimized clients that made it a little easier.

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absolutely thank you mikkyo. my dual G5 simply screams... as does every other Gx-equipped box I have... The number 1 spot would not be possible (with less than 60 users, no less) without those clients!

Thanks again!

-b

Shaktai · 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by drengy

I agree we should pad our lead on Predictor a bit before we move on.

As far as what we should move to, I vote for climateprediction.

Well, I am partial to Einstein, but there are some issues with the Mac client there. We are #27 in Climate in recent average credit which is our 2nd highest ranking and could easily move towards #1 while holding our lead in Predictor. We are #13 in overall credit. It would be a long drive to #1, but we have the power to do it.

Einstein has a lot of heavy hitters, and while we could move up the ranks, it is unlikely we could presently take #1 without pulling too much power off of Predictor.

I would support Climate prediction. We could take and hold #1 in that and Predictor, and that might serve as enticement to new members. It'll be a couple of weeks though before I can make the switch.

UPDATE: Just checked and Climate is having a lot of Server issues right now. We need to wait to see how that sorts itself before moving much power there. Looks like their servers are overloaded and some folks are reporting problems with the Mac GUI clients.

beadman · Jun 26, 2005, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Shaktai

...
UPDATE: Just checked and Climate is having a lot of Server issues right now. We need to wait to see how that sorts itself before moving much power there. Looks like their servers are overloaded and some folks are reporting problems with the Mac GUI clients.

For what it's worth, I have not tried CPDN with either BOINC Manager or BOINC MenuBar, but I'm currently running BOINC 4.44 SuperBench in Terminal with SETI 4.30 and CPDN 4.12 clients with not troubles at all on my end. CPDN was not acknowledging trickles for a week or so, but that appears to be solved now - although, their XML export still seems messed up.

I continue to have major problems trying to run Einstein - it won't pause when it says it is doing so. If the team decides to put a lot of push toward going for #1 in CPDN, I'd happily turn off Einstein again.

beadman

mikkyo · Jun 26, 2005, 02:55 PM

We once made it to 6th place overall in CP, but the team faltered and we started dropping ranks daily.
The one problem many folks see with CP is the large amount of disk space required.
I'm sure we couldn't get everyone on Predictor to move focus to CP due to that alone.
I think we should probably shift to Einstein or *cough* Seti.
I'm not a fan at all of the science and "leadership" behind Seti but we have had many Seti diehard team members help us out on other projects, so I can respect returning some crunch time in kind.
Maybe Seti could even have all their issues sorted out and be up continuously for a while when it comes time to switch over?
So maybe move focus to Seti, then Einstein, then Predictor, that way when Seti is down we all crunch Einstein (which will definitely happen), and then Predictor gets some crunch time when WUs are due to expire to help keep us at the top.
Everyone could make use of the altivec workers as well for both Seti and Einstein.
Maybe we can put together a GUI Dom pack with the altivec workers in place.
Cobra needs to upgrade his clients, and then he will produce even more and that will make a huge difference in whichever project he is crunching.

Knightrider · Jun 26, 2005, 04:59 PM

Much as I like the CPDN project, the wu's are very long - 600 hours plus - and I had problams in that on completion of a wu, the wu results go into a zip file for upload to the server. The zip files were failing on my mac and I and the project was losing out with no results after such a long time. Maybe this problem has been sorted out?

The other problem I have with BOINC is that it will not use two cpu's to do one wu. ie - 2 cpu's means two wu's lost on CPDN. I know I can set pefs to use one cpu but that seems to me a kind of a loss of crunchability. Any magic wands for this issue?

Impressive results on predictor

K.

drengy · Jun 26, 2005, 07:10 PM

I wasn't aware of all the technical issues with climateprediction. I just picked it because after predictor@home, it seems like the most beneficial research project.

I'll stick with predictor until the kinks are worked out of climateprediction.

It's a shame grid.org still doesn't have a Mac client. I used to be ranked pretty high there with my farm of 6 PCs or so...

Shaktai · Jun 26, 2005, 08:02 PM

Well, we still got to build our predictor lead before any big changes. Einstein beta altivec client is not ready for prime time yet. SETI altivec client is. Climate file sizes aren't a problem for me.

How's this for an idea? Build our lead in Predictor for another week or two. Then switch some power over to SETI. We could quickly blow past Team MacAddict and maybe move into the top 25. Not enough power to seize number one there, but we would surely catch some folks attention and maybe even pick up a few new members. Einstein as a backup for the SETI downtimes. At that point we could then re-evaluate our position and decide what to do. Maybe by then some of the kinks in Einstein and/or Climate will have gotten worked out.

Whatever we do though, we need to keep some power on predictor and keep building our lead. I for one though can only move power between Einstein or Predictor until I get back home in about 11-12 days. Looks like at least one and maybe two of my boxes are down as well.

mikkyo · Jun 28, 2005, 02:38 PM

We are rapidly approaching 3M which is a very significant number.
Too bad that isn't on the main MacNN neews page.
There should at least be a nice blurb as we are the top Team in Predictor and that is pretty newsworthy considering the ties to the parent site.

buggsuperstar · Jun 30, 2005, 02:59 AM

I've just noticed this on the Team News page in the article about Predictor #1:

A couple of weeks to build our lead, and then it will be time to set our sites, and some of our power on other projects.

Shouldn't it be "sights"?

beadman · Jun 30, 2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by buggsuperstar

I've just noticed this on the Team News page in the article about Predictor #1:

Shouldn't it be "sights"?

You're absolutely correct! (Glad I'm not the only one who notices things such as this...

beadman

Shaktai · Jul 1, 2005, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by buggsuperstar

Shouldn't it be "sights"?

Gee, it looks correct to me! (now).

buggsuperstar · Jul 1, 2005, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Shaktai

Gee, it looks correct to me! (now).

Good golly! I done been bamboozled good.

mikkyo · Jul 2, 2005, 04:02 AM

We have now passed 3M in Predictor.
How is that for fast?

Jul 2, 2005, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by mikkyo

We are rapidly approaching 3M which is a very significant number.
Too bad that isn't on the main MacNN neews page.
There should at least be a nice blurb as we are the top Team in Predictor and that is pretty newsworthy considering the ties to the parent site.

Try emailing the macnn news addy, or bug reader50 to do it. It doesn't hurt to try, and while they usually mangle what is submitted, it might get posted.

Thyme Lawn · Jul 6, 2005, 01:37 PM

Congratulations from Team Picard on your first place in Predictor@Home

I wouldn't want to influence your decision on where to direct your firepower next (particularly as we're creeping up on you in CPDN

), but you might be interested to know that Carl is back working on CPDN and has sorted out the credit problems this afternoon.

The MAC client problem with too many open files in zipping up the results is still there, but I'm not sure how (if at all) it affects the uploaded results. One thing I can reassure you about is that the problem is definitely on Carl's list of things to sort out (see here).

ImJake · Jul 6, 2005, 06:16 PM

Congratulations from another Picardian! Excellent work!

Narwhal · Jul 6, 2005, 08:07 PM

Congratulations on reaching #1

reader50 · Jul 6, 2005, 11:58 PM

Hello again to our friends from Star Trek. Your sig links aren't working, but a little detective work produced a working link back to your secret starbase.

And thanks for the congratulations. I personally wish to accept credit for all the work I did towards our #1 spot (zippo - need to complete my Tiger transition).

buggsuperstar · Jul 25, 2005, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by mikkyo

We have now passed 3M in Predictor.
How is that for fast?

4 million now in the space of 3 weeks.

Do we rule or what?

mikkyo · Jul 25, 2005, 08:28 PM

Yep!
We are now far enough ahead that it will take quite awhile for anyone to catch us.
I have moved most of my machines to focus on Einstein using their beta altivec client on several.
We are moving up there too.

beadman · Jul 25, 2005, 09:38 PM

"Moving up" is putting it mildly...

In the last 30 days, Team MacNN has gone from #40 to #32 on Einstein. If we could get three times our current rate, we could eventually take the lead...

beadman

Shaktai · Jul 26, 2005, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by beadman

"Moving up" is putting it mildly...

In the last 30 days, Team MacNN has gone from #40 to #32 on Einstein. If we could get three times our current rate, we could eventually take the lead...

beadman

I suspect, we'll have to move up a little more slowly on Einstein, or else we'd give up our #1 in Predictor, and we don't want to do that. My Einstein power hasn't quite peaked yet, because I've been playing around with different things. It should stabilize over the next couple of weeks, and that will help. Got to focus on studies for the near future, no time for playing.

mikkyo · Jul 26, 2005, 03:08 PM

We could easily move 90% of the power to Einstein and retain the lead in Predictor.

buggsuperstar · Jul 27, 2005, 07:28 AM

It did seem for a while our output was dipping in Predictor. This was a week or 2 back.

I figured that some of the heavy hitters were moving their power to other projects, but looks like we've come roaring back.

beadman · Jul 27, 2005, 03:06 PM

Please forgive the sorry table, but I was just doing some calculating of the credits per day per computer. Here's the "spreadsheet:"

SETI
imac 333 G3 pb 1 GHz G4 ib 1.33 GHz G4 total
avg cpu 79000 26000 21000 credit
avg cred 25 25 25 per
avg cred/hour 1.1 3.5 4.3 day
avg cred/day 27 83 103 213

Einstein
avg cpu 111000 37000 28000
avg cred 80 80 80
avg cred/hour 2.6 7.8 10.3
avg cred/day 62 187 247 496

CPDN
avg cpu 264000 88000 66000
avg cred 95 95 95
avg cred/hour 1.3 3.9 5.2
avg cred/day 31 93 124 249

Bottom Line: with the new .08 E@H client, I can more than double my credits per day running SETI/Einstein/CPDN with ratios 10/100/10. (note: CPDN is only running on the PB).

S/E/C 10/100/10 59 170 234 463

I could get more credits (496) by running E@H exclusively, but then I wouldn't have a backup client...so the 10/100/10 seems a decent compromise.

beadman

Shaktai · Oct 18, 2005, 08:15 PM

Hmm! Looks like 4 teams covet our #1 spot in Predictor.

Team MacNN will be overtaken by: (in days)
Czech National Team 672.2
L'Alliance Francophone 774.1
BOINC Synergy 1,895.5
SETI.Germany 1,984.8

So we only have two years to get production back up. Who's buying dual core PowerMacs tomorrow?