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Oct 29, 2008, 02:19 PM
 
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...hholding-tape/

Senator John McCain today accused The Los Angeles Times of withholding a videotape of Senator Barack Obama at a 2003 banquet for a “PLO spokesman.’’ Then he asserted that the 1960s radical William Ayers had attended the same event.

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Mr. McCain was referring to a videotape the newspaper obtained of a banquet for Rashid Khalidi, a professor of Arab studies at Columbia University and a leading Palestinian scholar and advocate. In April, in a story about Mr. Obama’s ties with Palestinians and Jews as he navigated the politics of Chicago, the newspaper reported that Mr. Obama attended the banquet when he was still an Illinois state senator and spoke there of his friendship with Mr. Khalidi.

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But the Obama campaign swiftly pointed out that Mr. McCain has his own connection to Mr. Khalidi. According to tax records cited by Mr. Obama’s campaign, a foreign policy organization that Mr. McCain chairs, the International Republican Institute, gave more than $850,000 in 1998 and 1999 to a group in part founded by Mr. Khalidi, the Center for Palestine Research and Studies.
Another respected professor but-oh-wait-he's-really-a-terrorist? Hasn't this gambit already been played with Ayers? I'm convinced that this is just about getting as many of the lunatic fringe as possible, but why does the McCain campaign not see that this is exactly what drives independents and RINOs towards Obama? This is just sad.

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Oct 29, 2008, 02:22 PM
 
Countdown to partisan fanbois explaining why what their candidate did is not as bad as what the other candidate did in 3...2...1....
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Oct 29, 2008, 02:25 PM
 
Ward Churchill respected, or Sami Al-Arian repected?
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Oct 29, 2008, 10:09 PM
 
The LA Times did not have a problem releasing a tape damaging to Gov. Terminator.
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Oct 29, 2008, 10:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Ward Churchill respected, or Sami Al-Arian repected?
Well he hasn't been convicted of a terrorist plot, so I'm not sure what you mean by the Sami Al-Arian reference.

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:48 PM
 
McCain has been running his campaign completely crazily recently. I seriously think something is wrong with him.
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Oct 30, 2008, 11:54 AM
 
If we want someone weird, I think we should elect Torgo for president. He even has his own theme song, so he wouldn't even need Hail to the Chief.
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Oct 30, 2008, 12:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
If we want someone weird, I think we should elect Torgo for president. He even has his own theme song, so he wouldn't even need Hail to the Chief.
"Raise your right manos and repeat after me, 'I, Torgo, do solemnly swear...'"

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Oct 30, 2008, 01:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by tie View Post
McCain has been running his campaign completely crazily recently. I seriously think ...
Dude, WTF ?

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Oct 30, 2008, 02:09 PM
 
Thank you. I put so much work into my posts---usually trying to achieve maximum alliteration---and nobody ever notices.
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Oct 30, 2008, 04:24 PM
 
I hadn't seen this before.

BLITZER: But you voted for that $700 billion rescue plan, or bailout plan, even though it had another $100 billion or so in unrelated expenditures, some would call pork or earmarks or whatever. Where does the U.S. president draw the line between vetoing that kind of spending bill or accepting it because of the greater good that it also includes, as you decided in the bailout?

MCCAIN: I would have vetoed literally every spending bill, even those that I voted for, if I were president of the United States and made them famous the way Ronald Reagan did.
I don't know what to say about this guy any more.
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:05 AM
 
It looks like the talking-to that McCain gave his supporters a few weeks back didn't stick:

Hussein Chant at Palin Rally

NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. – “John McCain! Not Hussein!”

So goes the latest popular chant on the campaign trail with Gov. Sarah Palin, demonstrated at a morning rally in central Florida.

Ms. Palin was midway through her stump speech when a group of supporters began shouting it in unison, drowned out a few seconds later as Ms. Palin talked over them.

A similar chant, “Vote McCain, not Hussein,” was heard at a campaign event for Ms. Palin in Williamsport, Pa., earlier this week.

Senator Barack Obama’s middle name is Hussein, a fact that some of his opponents say proves that he is a Muslim. Mr. Obama is, in fact, a Christian.

After the rally in Florida ended, two of the people leading the chant explained why they did so.

“Because it rhymes,” said Shirley Mitten, 64, a volunteer at a pregnancy center and a resident of Brooksville, Fla.

She said she does not know if Mr. Obama is a Muslim. “He says he’s not, but we have no way of knowing,” Ms. Mitten said.

Her husband, John A. Mitten, 64, took credit for starting the chant. “I was trying to get it going!” he said. “I just do not want Obama to be elected.”

Mr. Mitten said he could not trust Mr. Obama because of his past association with William Ayers, the 1960’s radical, and because of his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. He also pointed out that Mr. Obama’s father was a Muslim.

The middle name Hussein, he said, added to the suspicion. “I guess Obama was named after Saddam Hussein,” he said.
This is so depressing.

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Nov 1, 2008, 11:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey View Post
This is so depressing.
For Barry ? I agree.

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Nov 1, 2008, 11:26 AM
 
No, for everyone.

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Nov 1, 2008, 11:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Countdown to partisan fanbois explaining why what their candidate did is not as bad as what the other candidate did in 3...2...1....
BLASTOFF! Obama is horrible for his associations, but McCain is horrible too!!!

Vote for whomever you believe is less horrible. Less horrible McCain for President!

It used to be reprehensible for one to explain away Bush problems by citing similar Clinton problems. It's good to know this, as well as the definitions of "socialism" are now ancient history.
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:58 AM
 
NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. – “John McCain! Not Hussein!”

So goes the latest popular chant on the campaign trail with Gov. Sarah Palin, demonstrated at a morning rally in central Florida.

Ms. Palin was midway through her stump speech when a group of supporters began shouting it in unison, drowned out a few seconds later as Ms. Palin talked over them.
Good thing too. Not unlike McCain literally grabbing the microphone from another woman who seemed to have gotten her "muslim" talking points from Hillary Clinton's campaign.

A similar chant, “Vote McCain, not Hussein,” was heard at a campaign event for Ms. Palin in Williamsport, Pa., earlier this week.

Senator Barack Obama’s middle name is Hussein, a fact that some of his opponents say proves that he is a Muslim. Mr. Obama is, in fact, a Christian.
You'd be hard-pressed in describing how this is a Republican sentiment or even one exclusive to opponents. The notion that Obama is Muslim transcends party lines to the degree that in some segments, more Democrats believe Obama is a Muslim than Republicans.
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After the rally in Florida ended, two of the people leading the chant explained why they did so.

“Because it rhymes,” said Shirley Mitten, 64, a volunteer at a pregnancy center and a resident of Brooksville, Fla.
Fair enough, it rhymes. I'll bet this wasn't the expected response.

She said she does not know if Mr. Obama is a Muslim. “He says he’s not, but we have no way of knowing,” Ms. Mitten said.
Remarkably similar to how Hillary Clinton answered this very question.

Her husband, John A. Mitten, 64, took credit for starting the chant. “I was trying to get it going!” he said. “I just do not want Obama to be elected.”
Fair enough, he doesn't want Obama elected. We know of another Hussein and the connections while nebulous at best, have a certain ring to them.

Mr. Mitten said he could not trust Mr. Obama because of his past association with William Ayers, the 1960’s radical, and because of his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. He also pointed out that Mr. Obama’s father was a Muslim.
Again, fair enough. He doesn't like Obama's past connections. Many don't including Democrats. Many believe the Muslim faith has manifest in systems of government hostile to our ideology. This is not entirely ignorant.

The middle name Hussein, he said, added to the suspicion. “I guess Obama was named after Saddam Hussein,” he said.
This is the sad part, but I know what he's doing. Reprehensible things both parties do to get their guy in office.
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Nov 1, 2008, 12:07 PM
 
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I hadn't seen this before.



I don't know what to say about this guy any more.
Wow... just wow.....


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Nov 1, 2008, 01:28 PM
 
What I don't understand is how blowing up a statue puts somebody firmly in the category of terrorist with the likes of Bin Laden and others. Was it setup to injure people other than the statue?

I'm not trying to excuse it, so chill out, I'm just wondering at what point the "terrorist" label is appropriate?
     
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Nov 1, 2008, 10:30 PM
 
The Nation Republican Trust is airing this in every swing state and more until Tuesday
Obama and Wright: He Never Complained Once
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:06 PM
 
I knew it was only a matter of time before we saw this rerun! Props to besson3c for his amazing predictive skills.
     
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:13 PM
 
I just don't understand the wisdom behind McCain's campaign strategy. Why doesn't he stick with wealth redistribution and Obama's experience/inexperience rather than basically telling us that he is not Obama, not Bush, and throwing a bunch of gaffes at the wall and hoping that one will stick? I mean, I'm sure he's attracting some of the less thoughtful types with this sort of crap, but what he and Sarah Palin have basically done is drive intellectualism away from the party. Is this really a sustainable strategy?
     
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The Nation Republican Trust is airing this in every swing state and more until Tuesday
Obama and Wright: He Never Complained Once
Hasn't everyone come to the realization that the relationship between Obama and Wright was not something that should even be an issue.

Does Obama think bombing government buildings is a good idea? No.

That is akin to saying that McCain supports bombing other countries because he was in the Navy,
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Nov 1, 2008, 11:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
What I don't understand is how blowing up a statue...
..and the Pentagon, and Fort Dix, breaking criminals out of prison, holding up armored trucks and killing their protectors, and a hole host of other terrorist acts....

...puts somebody firmly in the category of terrorist with the likes of Bin Laden and others. Was it setup to injure people other than the statue?
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Nov 2, 2008, 12:43 AM
 
Ayers actually blew up the Pentagon or Fort Dix, or attempted to?
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Ayers actually blew up the Pentagon or Fort Dix, or attempted to?
Here a few of the actions committed WUO
*June 9, 1970 - The New York City Police headquarters is bombed by Jane Alpert and accomplices. The Weathermen state this is in response to "police repression

*July 27, 1970 - The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYT, 7/27/70]

*September 12, 1970 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

* March 1, 1971 - The United States Capitol is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the invasion of Laos. President Richard M. Nixon denounces the bombing as a "shocking act of violence that will outrage all Americans." [NYT, 3/2/71]

*May 19, 1972 - Bombing of The Pentagon, "in retaliation for the U.S. bombing raid in Hanoi." [NYT, 5/19/72]

* July, 1974 – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members. (one of the peopled it is dedicated to is Sirhan Sirhan)

* October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which Kathy Boudin and several former members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York on October 20, 1981. The robbers were stopped by police later that day and engaged them in a shootout, killing two police officers and one Brinks guard as well as wounding several others.
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Nov 2, 2008, 01:14 AM
 
The Wikipedia article only mentioned being caught with the dynamite, but whatever, I don't want to get into this because obviously he was wrong to be involved in such a group in the first place. As for Obama, you guys know how I feel about the whole guilt by association thing (no matter who is involved), so 'nuff said.

I'm curious to see if McCain does push this story again, and whether his avid supporters in here drop all of the socialism stuff and cling to this.
     
   
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