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aapljack · Feb 2, 2004, 10:26 PM

A nice thing I noticed in this version is that now, when you open an image in a new window, it will tell you the size of the image. From what I remember, the last version did not do this and it drove me nuts. It is handy when doing web dev and you need the dimensions of a image you will be replacing.

-b

Cadaver · Feb 2, 2004, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by aapljack:
A nice thing I noticed in this version is that now, when you open an image in a new window, it will tell you the size of the image. From what I remember, the last version did not do this and it drove me nuts. It is handy when doing web dev and you need the dimensions of a image you will be replacing.

-b

Definately handy, but I wouldn't mind a "Properties" window like Firebird.

In addition, Safari uses way too much CPU time... not really detectable on my 2x2 G5, but clearly too much on my 600MHz iBook when there are many animated GIFs (like on this forum's text entry page) - like 80%. Although, this isn't really specific to version 1.2. Without the animated GIFs, Safari uses a miserly 6% at idle.

posthumanus · Feb 2, 2004, 10:54 PM

Cadaver:

doesn't PithHelmet let you control animated GIFs?

but from memory, we'll wait a week or so for a v1.2 compatable download

posthumanus

fortepianissimo · Feb 2, 2004, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by posthumanus:
Cadaver:

doesn't PithHelmet let you control animated GIFs?

but from memory, we'll wait a week or so for a v1.2 compatable download

posthumanus

Since it's relevant to my question ("how to stop the animated GIFs"), I took a look at PithHelmet. It looks to me a rather sophisticated hack (plugin) - it is reliable? It can surely block the images, but how about just stopping the animation?

It's kind of pity that Safari still doesn't support this itself - Mozilla has had this for a long time now. The animation not only wastes cycles, but hurts my eyes too!

mdc · Feb 2, 2004, 11:46 PM

pithhelmet lets you choose if you want animated gifs to play once, never, continuously.

there is an option in there somewhere of pithhelmet.

jgcan · Feb 2, 2004, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Mike Pither:
I have to say that I am a little disappointed that most of my online bank page still doesn't show up still. Nothing but nothing apart from Explorer works. Dam Italian banks!!

Same here with National Bank of Canada, only IE works. Grrrrrr.....

Rickster · Feb 3, 2004, 12:12 AM

OmniWeb doesn't use the same copy of WebCore that Safari does -- we have a customized version of WebCore inside OmniWeb.app. Safari updates shouldn't affect OmniWeb unless they also include updates to the Cocoa frameworks themselves, or lower-level OS components.

neilw · 12:41 AM

Tab-selecting of form elements seems to be only half-implemented. You can select a pop-up list item, but can't use letter keys to select individual items within it (though the arrow keys work). Grr.

And if you highlight an item, you have to hit "return" before you're allowed to tab to the next item. Grr #2.

Where's that bug button...

[addendum] The letter keys work if you first "open" the item using the arrow keys or something. The letter keys should be available for navigation immediately. Bug submitted.

I still think that the way OSX handles keyboard navigation of lists is wrong in general, but I'll be thankful to have some way of navigating forms without the mouse.

Vader�s Pinch of Death · Feb 3, 2004, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Same here with National Bank of Canada, only IE works. Grrrrrr.....

Works fine with Scotia bank from day 1.

hyperizer · Feb 3, 2004, 12:43 AM

The download manager changed. Now when decompression of a zip file fails, it doesn't let you retry. Kind of annoying.

Anyone have trouble with Safari on password-protected sites? Sometimes it prompts me on every page, even if the username and password are saved to the keychain. It seems to have something to do with tabbing or scrollwheel use or something. I haven't quite figured out why it occurs.

ASIMO · Feb 3, 2004, 01:29 AM

Anyone know how to bring back Safari's multithreaded-ness? Apple neutered it some update(s) ago, and I was hoping it would return. No rendering on mouse down is kind of a...bummer.

Dale Sorel · Feb 3, 2004, 01:42 AM

Looks like v1.2 broke Cocoa Gestures

ckohler · Feb 3, 2004, 02:23 AM

Whoa! Check this out. When you download a file now, it creates a temporary file with a ".download" extention that you can double-click to resume. But even more impressive is that it shows progress in the Finder icon in real time! Check it out...

downloadicon.mov - 2.4MB

coolmacdude · Feb 3, 2004, 02:38 AM

This version is definitely much faster.

Well don Apple.

iOliverC · Feb 3, 2004, 04:18 AM

Whoa, is it me or does Safari no longer cascade windows? If it doesn't, fantastic!

kovacs · Feb 3, 2004, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by coolmacdude:
This version is definitely much faster.

Well don Apple.

Yeah pretty impressive

moki · Feb 3, 2004, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by ckohler:
Whoa! Check this out. When you download a file now, it creates a temporary file with a ".download" extention that you can double-click to resume. But even more impressive is that it shows progress in the Finder icon in real time! Check it out...

downloadicon.mov - 2.4MB

Nice movie...

sniffer · Feb 3, 2004, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by ckohler:
Whoa! Check this out. When you download a file now, it creates a temporary file with a ".download" extention that you can double-click to resume. But even more impressive is that it shows progress in the Finder icon in real time! Check it out...

That's very clever indeed.

(especially if you're on dial up)

moodymonster · Feb 3, 2004, 09:25 AM

Its alot faster, even the menus seem to go faster. Its also fixed some sites

, but has broken timesonline.co.uk

but overall I like it

Simon · Feb 3, 2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by coolmacdude:
This version is definitely much faster.

Well don Apple.

I agree 100%.

Safari is really a winner.

Targon · Feb 3, 2004, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Vader�s Pinch of Death:
No longer shows the throughput when downloading files. Nurts!

yeah just option click the time remaining changes to kb/sec...but it defaults to time remaining for new downloads ..that sux tho.

different note...im loving this browser now...only a few more changes i have on my liet an id be entirely satisfied with this app.

Well done Apple...fantastic job with this browser now.

Finally everything is starting to shape up in OS X...

Dale Sorel · Feb 3, 2004, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
Looks like v1.2 broke Cocoa Gestures

Never-mind, I tweaked my mouse settings to work with the new download window (wants a click+control rather than a right-click) and that's what messed with the gestures.

This Safari update rocks

Ozmodiar · Feb 3, 2004, 01:08 PM

Will Safari ever implement a "Block images from this server" feature? I like that in Mozilla, and I don't like messing around with custom CSS sheets because they seem to both slow down page rendering as well as flub up whole web sites.

Other than that, Safari is great.

yaro · Feb 3, 2004, 01:52 PM

Will Safari or any of the other browsers have pervasive auto history searches in the location (address) bar like IE? Even the IE on the pc does not have it.

DanMacMan · Feb 3, 2004, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Ozmodiar:
Will Safari ever implement a "Block images from this server" feature? I like that in Mozilla, and I don't like messing around with custom CSS sheets because they seem to both slow down page rendering as well as flub up whole web sites.

Other than that, Safari is great.

Pith Helmet is the answer; http://hiredgoons.com/dl/files/PithHelmet-0.7.2a.tbz

yannb · Feb 3, 2004, 03:39 PM

This website still doesn't work. How come? It works in Internet Explorer.

http://www.audi.be/mix.asp?lg=nl

absmiths · Feb 3, 2004, 04:19 PM

Safari 1.2 hasn't fixed my longest-standing problem. When I open Safari it tries to load the home page. If I am in a hurry and don't want to wait, I click the little X button. Unfortunately, that click doesn't "get through" until the page is completely done rendering and the button changes to a refresh button. So, most of the time, I have to wait for the page to load twice. This only seems to happen on first launch - but it is very irritating.

absmiths · Feb 3, 2004, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Bummer. It appears English has a serious limitation! In German I would have said: "Sie benutzen die gleiche 'Engine', aber nicht die selbe." But this is impossible to say in English.

Yeah, English sucks. It's a wonder we manage to say anything at all . . .

Maybe that "bug" will be fixed in the 2010 version.

Developer · Feb 3, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
Yeah, English sucks. It's a wonder we manage to say anything at all . . .

I didn't say English sucks. I just said it has one serious limitation.

Grrr · Feb 3, 2004, 05:08 PM

Glitch.. A couple of times today, the scroll bar on the right hand side has become corrupted. Just graphics I think, as it still works. But at one point I had 3 blue control bar/blob things in the same strip.

gorickey · Feb 3, 2004, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
Safari 1.2 hasn't fixed my longest-standing problem. When I open Safari it tries to load the home page. If I am in a hurry and don't want to wait, I click the little X button. Unfortunately, that click doesn't "get through" until the page is completely done rendering and the button changes to a refresh button. So, most of the time, I have to wait for the page to load twice. This only seems to happen on first launch - but it is very irritating.

Have you thought about it opening to a "Empty Page"? That would solve this issue. When you want your home page, you simply hit the home button and you can get it. Just an idea...

Targon · Feb 3, 2004, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:
Glitch.. A couple of times today, the scroll bar on the right hand side has become corrupted. Just graphics I think, as it still works. But at one point I had 3 blue control bar/blob things in the same strip.

yes i had this as well - i switched to another tab then back ..this cleared it up.

iOliverC · Feb 3, 2004, 06:13 PM

What an update, I just realized the 4 downloads limit is now also gone!

And I think Apple has gone 10.3 only with Safari, with the Google search box now being the 10.3 only NSSearchField.

gorickey · Feb 3, 2004, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
And I think Apple has gone 10.3 only with Safari, with the Google search box now being the 10.3 only NSSearchField.

It appears that Apple won't be updating the Jaguar Safari any longer besides major security holes that come up...no more new features...

fisherKing · Feb 3, 2004, 06:27 PM

not to backtrack (okay, i AM repeating from my eariler post), but does anyone else use safari without viewing the address bar?

i used to be able to open a tab, type an address, hit return, and...be there.

now, nothing happens. i HAVE to open the address bar, and enter in a site there.

anyone else bothered by this?

Horsepoo!!! · Feb 3, 2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:

And I think Apple has gone 10.3 only with Safari, with the Google search box now being the 10.3 only NSSearchField.

I'll be damned...I didn't notice that 'till you mentioned it.

JC Denton · Feb 3, 2004, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by fisherKing:
not to backtrack (okay, i AM repeating from my eariler post), but does anyone else use safari without viewing the address bar?

i used to be able to open a tab, type an address, hit return, and...be there.

now, nothing happens. i HAVE to open the address bar, and enter in a site there.

anyone else bothered by this?

But the address bar does disappear once the site loads, right? This behavior seems more intuitive to me, since you are filling in a text field...of course, I never tried it before Safari 1.2, so maybe I'm missing something.

On another note, was Safari always so dock-aware? I had a Safari window on my secondary monitor, and I dragged it to my main monitor. The bottom part of the window was obscured by the dock, but it immediately resized itself to accommodate the dock. Is this new, or did I just miss this in previous versions?

fisherKing · Feb 3, 2004, 07:21 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JC Denton:
[B]But the address bar does disappear once the site loads, right? This behavior seems more intuitive to me, since you are filling in a text field...of course, I never tried it before Safari 1.2, so maybe I'm missing something.

?? not following you.. if i have to view the address bar to enter an address, i still have to close it after if i dont want to...view the address bar *sigh*

also, i keep some pages (like "my yahoo") open to a certain part of the page; previously, when the page reloaded itself, it would return to the same place; now it seems to return to the top of the page.

hmmmmmm....

JC Denton · Feb 3, 2004, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by fisherKing:

?? not following you.. if i have to view the address bar to enter an address, i still have to close it after if i dont want to...view the address bar *sigh*

Well, when I have the address bar hidden and press Command-L, the address bar becomes visible. I type in the URL and press return. The address bar slides out of view and the page loads. I now have a window with the page title and the loaded page. There is a problem if the URL is invalid; in that case, the address bar remains in view and doesn't disappear. I guess if seeing the address bar during the time it takes to type the URL is problematic, I don't know what you can do.

Kenneth · Feb 3, 2004, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by ckohler:
Whoa! Check this out. When you download a file now, it creates a temporary file with a ".download" extention that you can double-click to resume. But even more impressive is that it shows progress in the Finder icon in real time! Check it out...

downloadicon.mov - 2.4MB

I wish my "T1" line is that fast.

fisherKing · Feb 3, 2004, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by JC Denton:
Well, when I have the address bar hidden and press Command-L, the address bar becomes visible. I type in the URL and press return. The address bar slides out of view and the page loads. I now have a window with the page title and the loaded page. There is a problem if the URL is invalid; in that case, the address bar remains in view and doesn't disappear. I guess if seeing the address bar during the time it takes to type the URL is problematic, I don't know what you can do.

in safari's previous incarnation, opening a tab and typing an address (and hitting return) took you to the page; no need for command-L!

Titanium Man · Feb 3, 2004, 11:47 PM

Is it just my system? When I drag a graphic to the desktop, used to be the download window would open and tell me what file was downloaded. Now I have to manually open the download window and it remains blank after the download, even though my preferences are set to clear downloads manually.

gorickey · Feb 3, 2004, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Titanium Man:
Is it just my system? When I drag a graphic to the desktop, used to be the download window would open and tell me what file was downloaded. Now I have to manually open the download window and it remains blank after the download, even though my preferences are set to clear downloads manually.

Safari no longer has to re-download an image when you drag and drop from a page now (hence your Download Manager being blank)...makes drag/drop very easy! In fact, you can now select text AND pictures and drag them at the same time....

Titanium Man · 12:33 AM

Okay, but it is kind of a pain. I'm often dragging to column-view windows with lots of files in them and want to rename the image, which is tough when I don't know which file it is. So now I guess I'll have to either open the image in a new tab first to see the name or drop it to the desktop first before moving or copying to the final location. Just another extra step.

SomeToast · Feb 4, 2004, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Titanium Man:
Okay, but it is kind of a pain. I'm often dragging to column-view windows with lots of files in them and want to rename the image, which is tough when I don't know which file it is.

Change the window to List and view by date. Your most recently dragged images will be the newest.

Dale Sorel · Feb 4, 2004, 01:39 AM

I don't know if this has been covered, but I just noticed you can now right-click on something in the history window and actually do something with it. I know that in v1.1 you could do the control-click thing, etc, but now it works like it should

CharlesS · Feb 4, 2004, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by sniffer:
That's very clever indeed.
(especially if you're on dial up)

While it's a nice feature, I wouldn't say clever - Many Mac browsers and download managers have been able to do this all the way back in OS 9.

xmacintosh · Feb 4, 2004, 02:19 PM

Well, I installed 1.2, but I still cannot jump to list boxes in form using TAB Key...

What's wrong?

ckohler · Feb 4, 2004, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
While it's a nice feature, I wouldn't say clever - Many Mac browsers and download managers have been able to do this all the way back in OS 9.

This is true. I remember IE for OS9 doing this. But what strikes me as impressive is that (I believe) this is the first OSX application to do real-time Finder icon updating. Some apps do Dock icon status updating, but this is the first I've seen to do Finder icon updating.

gorickey · Feb 4, 2004, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by xmacintosh:
Well, I installed 1.2, but I still cannot jump to list boxes in form using TAB Key...

What's wrong?

You need to enable "Turn on full keyboard access" via the Keyboard & Mouse (Keyboard Shortcuts tab) System Preference pane...