[makku]

Just found this on apple's website. Its the trailer for the new Disney-Pixar movie Wall-E coming out next year.

Apple - Trailers - WALL•E

[PlacidTubs]

I'm sure this film will be amazing. A fantastic trailer.

[Kevin]

Placid your sig looks like a hairy pixelated vagina. I am going to have to report you for that.

Sorry.

[PlacidTubs]

Seen many vaginas? Generally speaking they aren't green.

[mdc]

While Wall·E looks great, I thought the animation style they used, in the trailer, for the previous Pixar movies to be so nice. Almost 3D hand drawn.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PlacidTubs 

Seen many vaginas? Generally speaking they aren't green.

Well not NOW they aren't. But you keep painting them that way, and next thing you know...

[Stogieman]

That Wall-E robot sure looks a lot like Johnny-5 from the Short Circuit movies. I wonder if there's going to be an animated Steve Guttenberg in this film?

**Crosses Fingers**

[Kerrigan]

It looks a bit depressing from that trailer.

[Peter]

looks very cool, really liked the intro

[Kenneth]

uggg.. robot?

[design219]

I don't know, looks like "E-T" smashed with "Robots." Being Pixar, I'm sure it will be good.

I don't get so many theme similarities in animation films, "nemo" and "shark tales", "flushed away" and the new Pixar "ratti" film. Seems a little like corporate copy catting as far a subjects go.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I get the feeling it is going to be one of my favs. Cars was such a disappointment for me.

[JoshuaZ]

I for one love robots. Domo arigato Mr. Jobs, for doing the job nobody wanted. And thank you very mucho Mr. Job for helping me escape just when I needed to. Thank you. I wanta thank you....

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Stogieman 

That Wall-E robot sure looks a lot like Johnny-5 from the Short Circuit movies. I wonder if there's going to be an animated Steve Guttenberg in this film?

**Crosses Fingers**

YES! That would kick ass!!

Hoping that there is a God...

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by mdc 

While Wall·E looks great, I thought the animation style they used, in the trailer, for the previous Pixar movies to be so nice. Almost 3D hand drawn.

Haha, so true. i loved the short skits of the previous movies (3D pastels?)...id honestly like to see a CG movie i nthat art style.

As far as Wall-E..... could be interesting i guess, too early to tell.But being Pixar...im optomistic.

[scottiB]

Pardon the year-old resurrection, but the film is opening tomorrow, and the review embargo lifts today.

Rotten Tomatoes is at 92%, and reviews thus far have ranged from slow (1 review) to the best film of the summer to the best film of the year to the best Pixar film so far.

[macdude]

Wow, old thread.

[design219]

Originally Posted by scottiB 

Rotten Tomatoes is at 92%, and reviews thus far have ranged from slow (1 review) to the best film of the summer to the best film of the year to the best Pixar film so far.

I think Pixar only gets better and better...although the Incredibles was their best ever. I'm looking forward to taking my kids this weekend, at least once.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by design219 

I think Pixar only gets better and better...although the Incredibles was their best ever. I'm looking forward to taking my kids this weekend, at least once.

They are amazing but I found Cars to 10 year old specific and ratatouille was good but a bit too low key.

Bugs Life, Monsters Inc. Incredibles and Nemo were all amazing though.

Toy stories were well done but a bit meh.

[Hawkeye_a]

My most anticipated movie this year by far.

Cheers

[vmarks]

I'm not anticipating greatness with this one.

Monsters, Inc., Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Toy Story 1 and 2, were films without messages in the background.

Cars had the negative message about overachievers and not needing to win everything. Mary Anning - Rosemary Marks' weblog has a good review of Cars in context that explains why it isn't all it should have been.

WALL-E looks to be sullied with the anti-consumerism message.
Let's see, BuyNLarge (wal-mart?) and foolish humans destroy the planet, pack up and leave, leaving behind a robot to clean up.

Do I REALLY need to expose my children to anti-consumerism clap-trap?

And, is this a movie where I've already seen the best parts a hundred times in trailers? They run that damn bra-over-eye-sensors gag all the time. Is that the best joke in the movie?

I'll see it, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

[besson3c]

vmarks: so you don't want your kids to see any movie with some sort of social commentary? Have you ever thought about how many movies include some sort of social commentary? Seriously, there is a *long* list of these kinds of movies, including kids movies.

There is nothing wrong with allowing kids to be exposed to social commentary that differs from your own. You don't have to indoctrinate your kids into being mini versions of you.

[Dakar the Fourth]

If your kids can be permanently brainwashed by one movie, they deserve it.

I'm sure I was exposed to movies with "messages" growing up, but somehow I doubt they factor into my thinking nowadays.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

vmarks: so you don't want your kids to see any movie with some sort of social commentary? Have you ever thought about how many movies include some sort of social commentary? Seriously, there is a *long* list of these kinds of movies, including kids movies.

And many of them suck mightily.

As the parent, I get to choose.

There is nothing wrong with allowing kids to be exposed to social commentary that differs from your own. You don't have to indoctrinate your kids into being mini versions of you.

Sure I do. That's why they're my kids, and not yours. They'll be exposed to plenty of nonsense from other people along the way, but they'll get to be exposed to my values and be the better for it.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

If your kids can be permanently brainwashed by one movie, they deserve it.

If, as a parent, you don't act as a filter against crap, you aren't doing your job.

[sek929]

Think of teh children!

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

If, as a parent, you don't act as a filter against crap, you aren't doing your job.

Crap, yes. I somehow doubt a Disney movie is going to be doing damage to your kids. Your kids are far more likely to see a cartoon you'd deem as having a destructive message at school.

[vmarks]

BS anti-consumerism anti-business nonsense, combined with the think-of-the-environment chicken-little-sky-is-falling nonsense isn't something I need to encourage.

I get to make that choice. Further, if that's the message being pushed by this movie, it's probably a crap movie, or at least worse than it would be without such nonsense.

[Salty]

OK, A) the incredibles was totally about the problem of not recognizing the fact that some people are different/special whatever.

And why wouldn't you want your kids indoctrinated with an anti-consumerism message. Just means they're less likely to ask you for a new digital camera every three months.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

BS anti-consumerism anti-business nonsense, combined with the think-of-the-environment chicken-little-sky-is-falling nonsense isn't something I need to encourage.

I get to make that choice. Further, if that's the message being pushed by this movie, it's probably a crap movie, or at least worse than it would be without such nonsense.

Yeah, because kids are so damn dumb they'll believe anything they see....

How about you let your kids watch the movie and allow them to make their own decisions? I went to Catholic Church for 8 years, and eventually decided it wasn't for me. Sounds like you want to force your kids to think exactly like you. If what you teach them is the opposite of what a f**kin Disney movie says I think they'll be smart enough to make their own assumptions about what they should believe. Chances are they'll believe their parent and provider over a 3D animated film about robots.

[peeb]

Think of teh children VMarks, whatever would happen if you didn't indoctrinate your children to be obedient consumer-slaves to corporate amerika? Oh teh tragedy.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Salty 

OK, A) the incredibles was totally about the problem of not recognizing the fact that some people are different/special whatever.

And why wouldn't you want your kids indoctrinated with an anti-consumerism message. Just means they're less likely to ask you for a new digital camera every three months.

Capitalism is the best system for improving the quality of an individual's life.
The notion that I should encourage an anti-capitalist message is harmful.

For those who need a refresher:
Capitalism is simply about me determining that I value PRODUCT or SERVICE more than I value my CURRENCY. Other party or person values my CURRENCY more than they value PRODUCT or SERVICE, and we agree to exchange PRODUCT or SERVICE for CURRENCY.

Likewise, I can develop PRODUCT or SERVICE that people value more than they value holding onto CURRENCY, and in turn improve my ability to provide for my family.

To not encourage people to better their lives is to encourage the opposite, or rely on stealing from one person to provide for another.

As for 'not asking for a new digital camera every month' there's the lesson of Wants vs. Needs.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Bisn't something I need to encourage.

Letting your kids watch a movie isn't encouraging them to do anything.

I laugh sometimes when I watch old cartoons because some of them did have blatant messages... which were completely lost on me as a child. If your kids are smart enough to pick up on the hints you think Pixar is dropping, I'm sure they'll understand anything you have to say about it.

Even if they are inclined to worship messages from entertainment mediums, I doubt they'd take those over their father's.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Capitalism is the best system for improving the quality of an individual's life. The notion that I should encourage an anti-capitalist message is harmful.

What an interesting idea - I wonder what you mean by 'capitalism'?

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Capitalism is simply about me determining that I value PRODUCT or SERVICE more than I value my CURRENCY. Other party or person values my CURRENCY more than they value PRODUCT or SERVICE, and we agree to exchange PRODUCT or SERVICE for CURRENCY.

How interesting - do think this has ever been tried anywhere? Your naivety is touching, if a little disturbing.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Yeah, because kids are so damn dumb they'll believe anything they see....

How about you let your kids watch the movie and allow them to make their own decisions? I went to Catholic Church for 8 years, and eventually decided it wasn't for me. Sounds like you want to force your kids to think exactly like you. If what you teach them is the opposite of what a f**kin Disney movie says I think they'll be smart enough to make their own assumptions about what they should believe. Chances are they'll believe their parent and provider over a 3D animated film about robots.

At what age? Teenagers, ten year olds, are smart enough to begin making assumptions about life beliefs, or at least discussing them.

3 year olds, 6 year olds, are not. As a parent, you can have different discussions about the values being presented and what assumptions can be drawn depending on the age of the child.

Yet, 3 year olds are a part of the target audience of the movie.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by peeb 

What an interesting idea - I wonder what you mean by 'capitalism'?

How interesting - do think this has ever been tried anywhere? Your naivety is touching, if a little disturbing.

How did you purchase a computer?

You decided you valued having a computer more than you valued having your currency.

How did you get your currency? You agreed with someone who valued your work more than they did their currency, and exchanged your work for their currency.

Capitalism. It's improved your standard of living.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

How did you purchase a blablabla

What an interesting idea - I wonder what you mean by 'capitalism'?

Fascinating that you didn't answer the question. Let me spell it out for you: Your idealized kinder-garden version of capitalism being about willing exchange has nothing to do with corporate dominated mercantilism we have.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

I laugh sometimes when I watch old cartoons because some of them did have blatant messages... which were completely lost on me as a child.

Even the early seasons of The Simpsons had about 50% of jokes I didn't understand at that age. I had friends that had parents refuse to let them watch because of the adult content of some of the jokes. Of course what the parents didn't realize is that only THEY understood the jokes and not the kids.

[scottiB]

I think the robot looks funny and the girly robot looks pretty.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

They are amazing but I found Cars to 10 year old specific and ratatouille was good but a bit too low key.

Bugs Life, Monsters Inc. Incredibles and Nemo were all amazing though.

Toy stories were well done but a bit meh.

I wasn't a big fan of Nemo. Good but not great. I loved Ratatouille, but I agree that Cars was the worst of the bunch by far.

Originally Posted by vmarks 

BS anti-consumerism anti-business nonsense, combined with the think-of-the-environment chicken-little-sky-is-falling nonsense isn't something I need to encourage.

I get to make that choice. Further, if that's the message being pushed by this movie, it's probably a crap movie, or at least worse than it would be without such nonsense.

If you don't want your kids to see it, that's fine by us, but you'll just have to accept that some of us just don't buy your reasoning. It sounds like you're denying your kids enjoying a harmless movie, just because you've got onto your high horse about something, which you've blown way out of proportion.

That said, I always thought Beauty and the Beast had a really irritating message: If you're a man, be nasty to a woman and her father and she'll fall in love with you.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by peeb 

What an interesting idea - I wonder what you mean by 'capitalism'?

Fascinating that you didn't answer the question. Let me spell it out for you: Your idealized kinder-garden version of capitalism being about willing exchange has nothing to do with corporate dominated mercantilism we have.

I had to lay it out for you because you fail to understand the fundamentals, and instead have contributed to this thread with either nonsense replies like "think of the children!" and "capitalism must be too hard for vmarks to understand, it's corporate dominated mercantilism."

Capitalism is willing exchange. That you don't like corporations just says you'll like the anti-corporate BS in WALL-E. Here's the thing. Individuals, small businesses, and corporations all have the same equal right to conduct business. They all get to start out at some point and decide to engage in willing exchange. Some are more successful than others. That's ok. Not every venture or exchange must be successful.

[design219]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

And, is this a movie where I've already seen the best parts a hundred times in trailers?

This has not been the case with previous Pixar movies. They are one of the few movie makers who don't show the whole movie or plot in the trailers.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

I had to lay it out for you because you fail to understand the fundamentals, and instead have contributed to this thread with either nonsense replies like "think of the children!" and "capitalism must be too hard for vmarks to understand, it's corporate dominated mercantilism."

Capitalism is willing exchange. That you don't like corporations just says you'll like the anti-corporate BS in WALL-E. Here's the thing. Individuals, small businesses, and corporations all have the same equal right to conduct business. They all get to start out at some point and decide to engage in willing exchange. Some are more successful than others. That's ok. Not every venture or exchange must be successful.

Quite frankly, that almost smacks of teenage pseudopolitical banter. Sometimes one should sit back and take a chill pill, and go along for the ride and have some fun.

[King Bob On The Cob]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

I'm not anticipating greatness with this one.

Monsters, Inc., Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Toy Story 1 and 2, were films without messages in the background.

Cars had the negative message about overachievers and not needing to win everything. Mary Anning - Rosemary Marks' weblog has a good review of Cars in context that explains why it isn't all it should have been.

WALL-E looks to be sullied with the anti-consumerism message.
Let's see, BuyNLarge (wal-mart?) and foolish humans destroy the planet, pack up and leave, leaving behind a robot to clean up.

Do I REALLY need to expose my children to anti-consumerism clap-trap?

And, is this a movie where I've already seen the best parts a hundred times in trailers? They run that damn bra-over-eye-sensors gag all the time. Is that the best joke in the movie?

I'll see it, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Did you hate the lorax as a child?

I loved that book, but I also learned that tree hugging hippies are usually a despicable group of people who'd rather smoke pot and protest than actually do something useful with their lives. Especially since they're usually college educated, yet making sure they will never remember what they learned by smoking their brain away. (I'm now a senior at UIUC and I know people who can't remember what they studied last semester already. *sigh*)

Kids will learn eventually...

[Salty]

Oh please, it's pretty bad when you treat a commerce system as if it's something to be defended. Trust me, it'll take a lot more than Wall E to convince Western people to not be horribly wasteful and shallow, your way of life is not really in any danger.

[Eug]

On the flip side, some of us will also forgive the movie for being inherently hypocritical, as it will sell sheetloads of merchandise crap. vmarks, does that make you feel better? It's the ultimate capitalist win - take the left's own message and repackage it into a capitalist marketing powerhouse.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Here's the thing. Individuals, small businesses, and corporations all have the same equal right to conduct business. They all get to start out at some point and decide to engage in willing exchange. Some are more successful than others. That's ok. Not every venture or exchange must be successful.

That is so obviously untrue I don't know where to start. You really don't understand how modern economics work, do you?

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by design219 

This has not been the case with previous Pixar movies. They are one of the few movie makers who don't show the whole movie or plot in the trailers.

Except this time, we pretty much know the whole story.

SPOILERS:

 

Humans pollute Earth through crass consumerism,
Earth becomes unlivable. Humans move to space.
700 years go by and the robot WALL-E who was left behind to clean up develops a personality. A lovable personality.
Gag jokes about befriending a cockroach, bra-over-eye-sensors, unexpected propulsion by fire-extinguisher.
Humans send back a probe named Eve to see if the job has been completed.
Eve and WALL-E fall in love.
Eve returns to space.
WALL-E tags along on the outside of the rocket.
WALL-E has funny encounters on the humans' space ship.
WALL-E is sent off the ship in a space escape pod, separated from Eve.
WALL-E activates auto-destruct as Eve races to rescue him.
WALL-E uses the fire extinguisher trick he learned on Earth during the clean up to escape the blast.

We know this from the trailers.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Spoiler tag, please. Or white text. Either one would be more effective.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by peeb 

That is so obviously untrue I don't know where to start. You really don't understand how modern economics work, do you?

Sure I do.

Mercantilism was a relic of the 16th century. For the most part, it's in the dustbin of history where it belongs.