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C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 5, 2006, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I watched on episode of the TV show which I thought was a bit odd.

There was some large croc that was held in a pen and had outgrown it. It was so big and dangerous they called Steve to do the job.

As soon as he got there he starting taking huge risks and even though he had just seen the croc 60 second before for the first time he said "I love her.. I would DIE for her".

As sweet as that is crocs aren't really loving creatures at all and would have eaten him no matter how much he loved it. I was also sorta put off how easily he would throw his life away for a nasty animal when he has a wife and kids.

Not that I am happy in any way that he died but perhaps his overconfidence is what finally caught up with him.

ive see that episode. he was at his own park (his zoo) and they needed to move a big croc. As much i can remember that was before he had his kids, that would explain the "i would die for her" statement.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I dunno if you are much better in the end with that attitude.

No matter how much I don't like someone I never wish death on them.

Tough.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

ive see that episode. he was at his own park (his zoo) and they needed to move a big croc. As much i can remember that was before he had his kids, that would explain the "i would die for her" statement.

Well kids or not it was a bit odd. Even without kids he still had a wife and tons of fans that loved him more than that croc did.

Chuckit · Sep 5, 2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Not that I am happy in any way that he died but perhaps his overconfidence is what finally caught up with him.

No, the fact that he was put in completely unforeseen danger killed him. If anyone had been expecting the thing to rear up and stab him straight through the heart, he probably would have approached it differently. He was enthusiastic, not stupid.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Tough.

Yes you certainly are.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

No, the fact that he was put in completely unforeseen danger killed him. If anyone had been expecting the thing to rear up and stab him straight through the heart, he probably would have approached it differently. He was enthusiastic, not stupid.

When did I say he was stupid?

The danger was not unforeseen as he was swimming with stingrays which is never safe but yes it was unfortunate that he cornered it and got hit in the one in a thousand spot.

Chuckit · Sep 5, 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Well kids or not it was a bit odd. Even without kids he still had a wife and tons of fans that loved him more than that croc did.

And? So he loved animals. I can think of many people with worse taste.

jonasmac · Sep 5, 2006, 11:11 AM

RIP, Croc Hunter. I wonder if he was wearing his trademarked khakis when he died. It's ironic that he dove with sharks, played with crocs and cobras and messed with parrots, but he was taken down by the docile stingray.

C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 5, 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Well kids or not it was a bit odd. Even without kids he still had a wife and tons of fans that loved him more than that croc did.

Its a type (a odd one type) of love. He loves his crocs like we love cats, dogs, brids, etc. He knows his animals and there behavoirs.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

Its a type (a odd one type) of love. He loves his crocs like we love cats, dogs, brids, etc. He knows his animals and there behavoirs.

.. and that is cool. I love animals also but it is usually ones that would return the love.

I also don't find a stray cat and say I would die for it but hey.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Yes you certainly are.

Piss off.

C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 5, 2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

.. and that is cool. I love animals also but it is usually ones that would return the love.

I also don't find a stray cat and say I would die for it but hey.

As i said its a odd type of love.

turtle777 · Sep 5, 2006, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

This thread needs a good ol' lock.

Agreed. This is becoming more and more a flamefest...

-t

C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 5, 2006, 11:30 AM

wheres Doofy, Salty, and --erik--. id expect them to join in the fun.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Piss off.

Pissing off at your request...

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Pissing off at your request...

Good, as you were.

Person Man · Sep 5, 2006, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Agreed. This is becoming more and more a flamefest...

-t

Yes, this thread needs locked.

climber · Sep 5, 2006, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Good, as you were.

Why don't you try growing up for a change? You see adults in this world are allowed to have different opinions!

Now if you care to actually attack any of the points of any of my posts I would be glad to address them. I am even willing to admit I was probably wrong in my assumption that he grabbed the stingray.

I used two carefully chosen adjectives to describe his handling of wild animals. There many more that I would also use to describe the man:

Energetic, Fearless, Passionate, Bold, Intelligent, Caring...

typoon · Sep 5, 2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

When did I say he was stupid?

The danger was not unforeseen as he was swimming with stingrays which is never safe but yes it was unfortunate that he cornered it and got hit in the one in a thousand spot.

Never safe to swim with Sting Rays? They are called "the pussycats of the sea" for a reason. Many people do it but like any animal if it feels cornered it will use it's defensive mechanism to defend itself. He just happened to be on the wrong end of this Rays Defensive reaction.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by climber

I am even willing to admit I was probably wrong in my assumption that he grabbed the stingray.

I used two carefully chosen adjectives to describe his handling of wild animals. There many more that I would also use to describe the man:

Energetic, Fearless, Passionate, Bold, Intelligent, Caring...

Apology accepted.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by typoon

Never safe to swim with Sting Rays? They are called "the pussycats of the sea" for a reason. Many people do it but like any animal if it feels cornered it will use it's defensive mechanism to defend itself. He just happened to be on the wrong end of this Rays Defensive reaction.

Good to know. The thing is many "pussycats" don't have venomous barbs that can be fatal.

The reports are also mentioning that he was quick on his feet but not the water and his show was going into "darker territory".

Either way it was an unfortunet fluke and accident.

turtle777 · Sep 5, 2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by typoon

Never safe to swim with Sting Rays? They are called "the pussycats of the sea" for a reason. Many people do it but like any animal if it feels cornered it will use it's defensive mechanism to defend itself. He just happened to be on the wrong end of this Rays Defensive reaction.

Bullcrap.
He knew what he was doing, and he knew it was risky.

The documentary was supposed to be called "Ocean's Deadliest". Go figure.

-t

turtle777 · Sep 5, 2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Apology accepted.

So, you still want him die in a fire, or are you going to apologize as well ?

-t

climber · Sep 5, 2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

First, why don't you give us your last name and where you live if you think it's okay to be so hateful towards a dead man, his wife, and his children?

Secondly, try telling the millions of children who loved Steve Irwin that they should be happy...YOU LOSER.

Do you really want to know who I am. I tend to doubt that, because if you did then you might actually have to treat me as a person. Well I tell you a little...

I am a 44 year old male registered nurse who has dedicated the last 10 years to helping others in emergent and critical care hospital and pre-hospital conditions. I am also a mountain travel and rescue, a first responder, and a CPR instructor. What have you done this week Cody, besides sending a check to your favorite charity?

Now my perspective on life is that it is a tragic accident when a whole family gets wiped out by a drunk driver.But it is not an accident when somebody takes exceptional risks and pays for it. Tragic yes, especially for the family and friends.

RAILhead · Sep 5, 2006, 01:08 PM

OH NOEZ!!11! U R TEH NURZE SO U R BETTERZ THAN TEH CODY!!!11!

please.

Dakar · Sep 5, 2006, 01:10 PM

And this keeps on descending...

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

So, you still want him die in a fire, or are you going to apologize as well ?

-t

Marshmellows still in hand, but he's doing better.

typoon · Sep 5, 2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Bullcrap.
He knew what he was doing, and he knew it was risky.

The documentary was supposed to be called "Ocean's Deadliest". Go figure.

-t

According the the video that has been seen by authorities he didn't provoke the animal in any way. But it did say that the Ray could have felt cornered because while he was swimming along side it they camera man was in front of it.

If they are so dangerous then how do you explain the small amounts of people dying from them? Something like 17 people since 1860? They are deadly if you get hit by the barb like he did. But the oceans animals don't have to be as deadly as say a Great white shark to be called the Ocean's Deadliest. there are Sea plants and things that are also deadly in the ocean that look harmless.

Landos Mustache · Sep 5, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by typoon

According the the video that has been seen by authorities he didn't provoke the animal in any way. But it did say that the Ray could have felt cornered because while he was swimming along side it they camera man was in front of it.

If they are so dangerous then how do you explain the small amounts of people dying from them? Something like 17 people since 1860? They are deadly if you get hit by the barb like he did. But the oceans animals don't have to be as deadly as say a Great white shark to be called the Ocean's Deadliest. there are Sea plants and things that are also deadly in the ocean that look harmless.

AFAIK more people die from hippos than alligators.

Not many shark attack deaths either. That doesn't make them any less dangerous.

Chuckit · Sep 5, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by climber

But it is not an accident when somebody takes exceptional risks and pays for it.

Swimming = exceptional risk
Driving around drunk drivers = not an exceptional risk

Gotcha.

climber · Sep 5, 2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

So, you still want him die in a fire, or are you going to apologize as well ?

-t

That would require actually stepping down that awfully tall pedestal he has created for himself. But I will try and show him how it is done.

To all the Steve Irwin fans, I am truly sorry if my opinions of Steve have somehow hurt your feelings. or were perceived as incentive. I have no doubt that Steve was a good man who lived life with a passion.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by climber

To all the Steve Irwin fans, I am truly sorry if my opinions of Steve have somehow hurt your feelings. or were perceived as incentive. I have no doubt that Steve was a good man who lived life with a passion.

*puts away marshmellows*

(but remains aware for where they're kept)

turtle777 · Sep 5, 2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by typoon

According the the video that has been seen by authorities he didn't provoke the animal in any way. But it did say that the Ray could have felt cornered because while he was swimming along side it they camera man was in front of it.

If they are so dangerous then how do you explain the small amounts of people dying from them? Something like 17 people since 1860? They are deadly if you get hit by the barb like he did. But the oceans animals don't have to be as deadly as say a Great white shark to be called the Ocean's Deadliest. there are Sea plants and things that are also deadly in the ocean that look harmless.

That all doesn't matter.

The fact that Steve wanted to call it "Ocean's deadliest" shows that he was

a) either aware of the risk
b) or was, once again, overlly sensationalistic

Go figure some more.

-t

BlueSky · 01:43 PM

I think that at this point it behooves us all to take a step backward, count to 10, count our blessings, take a walk in the other guy's shoes, realize that patience is a virtue, not get our khakis in a bunch, bury the hatchet, remember that laughter is the universal language, forgive our neighbor, reach out and touch someone, rotate your tires and walk like an egyptian.

climber · Sep 5, 2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

*puts away marshmellows*

(but remains aware for where they're kept)

Can you even see us down here from that high in the air?

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

I think that at this point it behooves us all to take a step backward, count to 10, count our blessings, take a walk in the other guy's shoes, realize that patience is a virtue, not get our khakis in a bunch, bury the hatchet, remember that laughter is the universal language, forgive our neighbor, reach out and touch someone, rotate your tires and dance like an egyptian.

Walk like an Egyptian.

Ay oh, whey oh, ay oh, whey oh...

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by climber

Can you even see us down here from that high in the air?

Fine, thanks.

Keep dancing (or walking like an Egyptian, as the case may be).

Dakar · Sep 5, 2006, 01:33 PM

Needlessly Harsh, but Fair™ would be more accurate.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Needlessly Harsh, but Fair™ would be more accurate.

Sledgehammers have their uses too, you know.

Dakar · Sep 5, 2006, 01:35 PM

Maybe if I had seen you put it down once this entire summer.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Maybe if I had seen you put it down this entire summer.

I was very nice to that one guy, when his kitty died.

Dakar · Sep 5, 2006, 01:39 PM

Good. I used to like your posts Stein, but every time I check them now all I find is you bitching at someone.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:39 PM

And in closing:

See you in the croc pit on the other side Steve, you're one hell of a guy.

Love ya man.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Good. I used to like your posts Stein, but every time I check them now all I find is you bitching at someone.

There's a lot of ground to cover.

Edit: I'll be happy when I can lay the `hammer to rest.

Dakar · Sep 5, 2006, 01:42 PM

It's internet, and seriously, you're being wasted doing it.

Leave it to someone like Kevin who seems to find meaning in doing it.

Jawbone54 · Sep 5, 2006, 01:43 PM

All this thread really needed to be was a conversation about a man's life being lost doing the thing that he loved best.

Maybe my family is just out of their minds, but I've been raised believing it's disrespectful, despicable even, to say such horrible things about someone who has died, especially just after they've passed.

If Steve Irwin didn't take risks and get closer than other people were willing to in order to show people that some animals are not mindless killers, then none of us here would have ever heard of him, nor would we have seen the footage that he provided for the world.

Cody Dawg · Sep 5, 2006, 01:43 PM

The documentary was supposed to be called "Ocean's Deadliest". Go figure.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

He was working on a documentary and in particular on a segment on great white sharks called Ocean's Deadliest...but guess what? The weather was bad and he couldn't work on that particular documentary so he decided INSTEAD to do a segment for his 8-year old daughter's television show airing on Animal Planet in a few months that is supposed to be about "friendly and happy" animals in the world. It's for little kids.

And as for anyone wondering why the thread has become one where people are ticked off it's because *some* people took an opportunity to make fun of and ridicule a dead man and his family.

Sometimes "sorry" isn't enough.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Sometimes "sorry" isn't enough.

No, no, Cody, I'll accept a "sorry".

Hence, the "but fair" part of my sig.

Shaddim · Sep 5, 2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

It's internet, and seriously, you're being wasted doing it.

But it was never this bad before.

These people were trolling about a decent and caring person who died doing what he loved.

Shame on them.

Cody Dawg · Sep 5, 2006, 01:52 PM

Okay, MacNStein.

If you say to let it go I will.