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Sep 16, 2021, 07:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
From what I gather at this point, it unfortunately looks like herd immunity against Delta simply isn't possible, even with 100% vaccinated. […] Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
That’s not correct, it is just that the threshold for herd immunity is higher.

That is because herd immunity is not just achieved through vaccination. And because vaccines protect strongly against severe cases of Covid even with the delta variant, a high vaccination rate will effectively protect the population. In fact, it seems that vaccinated people who contract e. g. the delta variant will be protected against the delta variant much better.

SarS-CoV-2 will remain endemic like the flu. In fact, the common flu is AFAIK a descendent of the “Spanish” flu, and it is much less lethal for the same reasons. So that is what scientists expect to happen to Covid as well: most people will be protected by the combination of a vaccine and repeated exposure since childhood. There will be rare, severe cases — just the like flu. But it won’t bring the medical systems to its knees or cause mass casualties.
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I still think that it's a bit callous to refer to a concert off-handedly as a "superspreader event" when talking about having attended it — because there's still a long way to go.
Here is the thing: if everyone attending the concert is vaccinated, then this is not the same as super spreader events for several reasons: on average
- vaccinated people are less likely to contract Covid,
- vaccinated people do not transmit the disease at the same rate, and
- vaccinated people who are infected are much less likely to develop severe cases of Covid.

In fact, AFAIK the combination of vaccination plus infection (with most likely a mild case) offers not only the best protection, but is ultimately the fate of society.
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Wrong. Ban all large events and lock the fuck down everywhere. Close all restaurants indoors, delivery only. Force all businesses to do curbside pickup. Masks required, even in buttfuck tiny-dicked patriotland freedomville, fine anyone who argues, or throw them in jail, or just shoot them in the fucking head for all I care. We could be done with this in a couple months, and covid would be GONE, forever.
No, Covid will remain endemic in the entire world.
Shutdowns and/or lockdowns are measures to control the spread, to slow the spread down, but you cannot eliminate it, it’s way, way too late for that. At this stage the focus should lie with vaccinations, and when certain thresholds are reached it is acceptable to re-open parts of society again.

So the problem is that in most countries a large share of the population doesn’t (want to) get vaccinated. There are few countries (like Portugal or Denmark) where vaccination rates are very high (of the order of 85 %). This is the problem at this stage.

We can argue whether it makes sense to hold concerts at this point, yes, but it isn’t as easy as you claim.
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The last estimate I saw for a US herd threshold was 85-95% vaccinated.

I’m disappointed that having some of the most anti-survival public figures actually getting COVID hasn’t seemed to change the rhetoric against individuals taking self-protective (as well as community-protective) steps. Of course these very public figures get extremely aggressive treatments that most folks don’t have access to, so they don’t wind up (visibly) being extremely ill. For example, Governor Abbott, who was vaccinated, got some really advanced treatments, including monoclonal antibody therapy, and tested negative a few days later.

Regeneron is freely available - if your doctor or hospital can get it. But if you aren’t a big wig, you may have to wait for the drug to be ordered and arrive, instead of having somebody physically go get it “so the boss won’t have to wait”. Oh, I’m sorry. Did my disdain short circuit my anti-sarcasm filter? Again? Darn.

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Sep 17, 2021, 07:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
In fact, AFAIK the combination of vaccination plus infection (with most likely a mild case) offers not only the best protection, but is ultimately the fate of society.
Thank you; this is the bit I was missing.
     
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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
The last estimate I saw for a US herd threshold was 85-95% vaccinated.
Yes, the delta variant seems to be twice as contagious than the other variants and lies in between SARS and chicken pox.
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I’m disappointed that having some of the most anti-survival public figures actually getting COVID hasn’t seemed to change the rhetoric against individuals taking self-protective (as well as community-protective) steps.
Not just public figures, at this stage pretty much everyone should know someone personally who has contracted Covid and died. In my case I know of two people who died just before vaccines became available (December 2020/January 2021). The number increases if I include people who have recovered or if we include people that are one step removed (I know someone who knows someone …).
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Sep 17, 2021, 10:52 PM
 
So far I don’t know anyone who’s died (knock on wood), but I have a small network.

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I would say we've lost 10-15 people at work, but we have 5000+ employees so... yeah. Last one to die was a lead engineer.
     
 
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