[Matt OS X]

Arrggh! When!

[xi_hyperon]

Dude, everyone else here got it via Software Update about a week ago.

























Ok, maybe not. I'm sure it'll be out very soon.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Matt OS X

Arrggh! When!

Why the impatience?

[ManOfSteal]

v10.4.3 is solid!

[mdc]

have you read this?

"According to reports already present on Internet websites, the Tiger system update sits at build 8C44. This appears to indicate that only four or five complete compiles of Mac OS X 10.4.2 have been made over the past two weeks -- typically a telltale sign that development is nearly complete and extensive quality assurance measures are in motion. In its earlier stages of development, it's believed that Apple was compiling the software on average of once each business day. "

hopefully soon.

[Matt OS X]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Why the impatience?

Because 10.4.2 will fix the iChat "insufficicent bandwidth" related with ISP's Here's link

That's why I'm still stuck on 10.3.9...I cannot get on iSight even 1 on 1 video confrencing.

[Wiskedjak]

I'm wondering when 10.4.3 will be out to fix all the problems of 10.4.2

[Matt OS X]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I'm wondering when 10.4.3 will be out to fix all the problems of 10.4.2

"Wiske"-guy

[mAxximo]

-- “typically a telltale sign that development is nearly complete and extensive quality assurance measures are in motion.”

Yeah, SURE.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by mAxximo

Yeah, SURE.

Hey, you never know; maybe Apple finally got with the program. It's no secret that their QA process has been somewhat lacking (to put it charitably) for several years. Perhaps they've finally regrown their sense of respect for quality assurance? Not that it shouldn't have happened a long time ago, but better late than never.

[sanity assassin]

Apple does QA? Since when?

[MartiNZ]

It certainly has been a long wait. And the impatience has something to do with how much it is purported to fix, I think. It may just be the most significant point point OS X update ever ... well, here's hoping anyway.

I like that writeup of 8C44, but they've said pretty much the same about the last three or four builds of it, so I might need a little more convincing. Either way, I've been expecting it before the end of the week for about four weeks now, so I won't be too surprised if/when it doesn't make it before the end of this one .

[Kristoff]

Originally Posted by Matt OS X

Because 10.4.2 will fix the iChat "insufficicent bandwidth" related with ISP's Here's link

That's why I'm still stuck on 10.3.9...I cannot get on iSight even 1 on 1 video confrencing.

I had the same issue, then I changed the video bandwidth settings from "No limit" to 1mbps and lo and behold, I could connect, albeit, it seems blocky at times.

Worked great under Panther with my 9 mbps cable connection as verified at broadbandreports.com. But Tiger borked it bad. Try that tweak I mentioned to see if you can at least connect.

[MartiNZ]

Just checked software update ... and it moved to show there was something available! DVD player update ... what a disappointment .

[wataru]

My rsync bugs have been marked "duplicate" after quite a long time; hopefully 10.4.2 will bring fixes!

[mdc]

Originally Posted by MartiNZ

Just checked software update ... and it moved to show there was something available! DVD player update ... what a disappointment .

exactly. this update couldn't have been put into .4.2
eh, it will be out soon

[Big Mac]

And how many will be craving 10.4.3 afterward?

[MartiNZ]

If .4.2 does what it sounds like it should, we may never need another point point update again ... but of course I guess that won't stop the craving .

[Thinine]

Originally Posted by wataru

My rsync bugs have been marked "duplicate" after quite a long time; hopefully 10.4.2 will bring fixes!

All that means is that they know the bug exists, it'd been reported before. It doesn't mean that the bug is fixed, unfortunately.

[Kristoff]

Yeah, and unfortunately, their tight-lipped tracking system doesn't give the "verified/fixed" status to duplicates once marked as such on originals.

So, only the first person who submitted it will know if it is indeed "verified/fixed"

[Randman]

When will 10.4.3 come out?

[wataru]

Originally Posted by Thinine

All that means is that they know the bug exists, it'd been reported before. It doesn't mean that the bug is fixed, unfortunately.

I know that. But the fact that it was unresolved one way or another for so long gives me hope that it's been fixed.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally Posted by Randman

When will 10.4.3 come out?

v10.4.3 requires Intel.®

[Kristoff]

Bahhhahahahahha!

[tkmd]

I really hope this week. Lets hope Q2de gets activated too with this update.

[DarwinX]

I hope it's soon and I hope it fixes Safari so it will remember my window position.

And yeah, where's 10.4.3 news!??!?

[Zimphire]

Originally Posted by DarwinX

I hope it's soon and I hope it fixes Safari so it will remember my window position.)

What do you mean?

[MartiNZ]

I've had the Safari window problem as well. Basically sometimes after you open a new window and it cascades down, Safari gets delusional and thinks that's where you want the first one opened the next time you open Safari, i.e. it saves that to the .plist file.

I have been getting around that when it happens - I created a folder and pasted the numbers for the window bounds from the .plist as its name. So now I just have to open the .plist, paste in those numbers and save it to fix it, albeit temporarily. But it seems to work for quite a while usually.

To be more specific, the property is called NSWindow Frame BrowserWindow Frame and the sequence of numbers for the window size I like is 49 148 925 598 0 0 1024 746 - I don't know quite what they all mean though .

[DarwinX]

Originally Posted by Zimphire

What do you mean?

I think MartiNZ described it accurately.

It usually appears to be after some idle time of not using Safari or after sleeping that it will have cascaded downand to the right of where I want the window position to be. I've done the normal routines and yet it still keeps reoccuring. Glad to hear I'm not the only one though. I really hope this is fixed.

[Fusion]

I have the same problem with Safari not remembering its window size. I usually just delete that value, the NSWindow Frame BrowserWindow Frame one, from the .plist file, save, and restart Safari. It will usually work for a couple days, and then stop working again.

[mdc]

i created a javacript bookmark that would resize my browser window and place it where i want, then i made this bookmark my homepage, and made safari open it upon open.

works for me

[Randman]

Just use bookmarklets.

http://cowboyscripts.org/?page=bookmarklets

[turtle777]

I heard 10.4.4 will REALLY rock...

WHEN, APPLE ? AAaaaarrrgghhhhhh!!!!!!11111oneone

-t

[cybergoober]

Screw you guys. I'm holding out for 10.3.10

[doucy2]

Originally Posted by cybergoober

Screw you guys. I'm holding out for 10.3.10

yea really
panther rocks
10.3.10 hahaha well that would just be great

[Azzgunther]

Originally Posted by Randman

Just use bookmarklets.

http://cowboyscripts.org/?page=bookmarklets

Those are neato!

[Matt OS X]

Originally Posted by doucy2

yea really
panther rocks
10.3.10 hahaha well that would just be great

Right on! Panther rocks! I can't wait for 10.4.2 because of iChat A/V bugs to be fixed.

[Mac & Cheese]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Hey, you never know; maybe Apple finally got with the program. It's no secret that their QA process has been somewhat lacking (to put it charitably) for several years. Perhaps they've finally regrown their sense of respect for quality assurance? Not that it shouldn't have happened a long time ago, but better late than never.

Yeah, Apple has the worst, most buggy software around... except for all the competing software out there.

When I think "buggy," I think of my work PC, not my Mac.

(OK, the Safari window positioning thing does irk me somewhat, but still.)

[zoetrope]

Originally posted by Mac & Cheese:

(OK, the Safari window positioning thing does irk me somewhat, but still.)

I also found the Safari window positioning very irksome as well, but I found an answer. It costs a little bit, but its totally worth it.

Saft

[Fusion]

What I never understand about these bugs, is how do they slip through developers? I mean, do they really not notice this stuff? Doesn't Steve Jobs himself use a mac for his personal computer and get pissed at these bugs too?

I don't get it.

[OogaBooga]

There aren't really that many bugs. And the ones that do exist probably don't plague Steve Jobs too much.

[Catfish_Man]

Fusion: It's a matter of triaging bugs. No organization has the resources to fix all the bugs in their software, so they pick which ones to fix based on a combination of importance, time-to-fix, and available expertise. The other issue is that many bugs only appear under certain odd conditions, or on certain machines.

[Spliff]

Originally Posted by wataru

My rsync bugs have been marked "duplicate" after quite a long time

Where did you read this? Does Apple actually list known bugs?

[Catfish_Man]

Spliff: http://bugreport.apple.com . You can only view bugs you've filed though.

[Kristoff]

Originally Posted by OogaBooga

There aren't really that many bugs. And the ones that do exist probably don't plague Steve Jobs too much.

That was a joke, right?

I personally have 3 open that are state "open", 3 that are in "duplicate", and 4 that are in "closed"

[OreoCookie]

I didn't know there was `public' access to Apple's bug database.

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

I didn't know there was `public' access to Apple's bug database.

It's available with a free ADC account, so I suppose that means it is available to the public.

[Spliff]

Originally Posted by Catfish_Man

Spliff: http://bugreport.apple.com . You can only view bugs you've filed though.

Okay, I guess that's better than nothing. I really wish we could see all open bugs.

[wataru]

I imagine some bug reports contain classified information or something. I'd also love to see all the reports, or at least all the reports related to the ones I've filed.

[Krypton]

Originally Posted by Spliff

Okay, I guess that's better than nothing. I really wish we could see all open bugs.

They stopped public access after the PPP.kext_hanging_the_computer_everytime_you_connec t_bug fiasco; i.e. people got more and more irate as little explicit progress was made.