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olorin15 · Jan 22, 2004, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by dru:
If you tried it in November and didn't buy back then you cannot try the new release.

How is that fair, reasonable, sensible, sane?

That's how shareware is supposed to work - you try it and then you buy it (or not). You don't keep "trying" it with every new release. That's precicely the point. They want you to pay for it. Otherwise you can keep "trying" it indefinitely ... And wasn't there a thread about resetting demo limit? Maybe you could email Unsanity with this question, instead of flaming them here?

smeger · Jan 22, 2004, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
Another thing, being a modem user, I noticed that the dialup menu extra is not changed to the theme's text color like the clock/fast user switching etc. Did Unsanity overlook this, having probably never seen the dialup menu extra?

That's exactly what happened. Thanks for the heads-up!

dru · Jan 22, 2004, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by olorin15:
Damn it people, you want competition in Mac theming market? Why don't you work on it?

There *was* competition (theme changer, duality, etc.). Now, with all the themers exclusively supporting SS there is none. That would not change if I were to introduce yet another theme format / changer / etc.

ShapeShifter 1.0 wasn't even a good interface for theme switching. It doesn't support icons like Duality did, for example.

What do you want from Unsanity??? You want them to give out SS for free? Or you want them to supply competition? [/B]

They could, you know, actually let you *TRY* it like they claim. I guess that's asking too much for some people, right?

smeger · Jan 22, 2004, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:
I have an idea. Package Shapeshifter with and without all the extra's. Would make downloads for some people a whole lot easier. At least do it for modem users.

Yeah, we should probably do this. It'd save us some bandwidth fees, too.

smeger · Jan 22, 2004, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Patcarla:
The only disapointment is about the metal texture.. Still not available..

Yeah, I know this is annoying. I haven't forgotten about it.

smeger · Jan 22, 2004, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by cgc:
It seems that with ShapeShifter 1.1 enabled, Safari v1.1.1 has problems rendering the tabs and the entire tab bar ets destroyed. Disabling SS 1.1 fixes this. Anyone else see this bad behavior/bug?

I've gotten a few bug reports about this. My best guess right now is that this is a problem that is only showing up on certain hardware. I'd appreciate it if you'd shoot Unsanity Support an email with the Safari version, OS Version, and a System Profiler file at your convenience.

Thanks!

NetworkShadow · Jan 22, 2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:
make your own program, stop your bitching.

Couldn't have said it better...

Nice work again on SS 1.1.

zachs · Jan 22, 2004, 09:41 PM

Hmmmm, Safari looks great with EYLO applied, except for the downloads window:

Is it/will it be possible to change the colors in alternating text views so this doesn't happen?

olorin15 · Jan 22, 2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by dru:
There *was* competition (theme changer, duality, etc.). Now, with all the themers exclusively supporting SS there is none.

Yeah, and some competition it was ... especially in 10.3. TC/Duality worked great in 10.3, right? Oh wait, no they didn't ... panther broke old theming ... that's right, I remember now - that's why we needed SS. Ooof, my memory's getting bad - thank god i remembered how this all happened.

smeger · Jan 22, 2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by zachs:
Hmmmm, Safari looks great with EYLO applied, except for the downloads window:

Is it/will it be possible to change the colors in alternating text views so this doesn't happen?

Yeah, I'm aware of this glitch. Mail.app's Status window has the same issue. I'm on it.

zachs · Jan 22, 2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by smeger:
Yeah, I'm aware of this glitch. Mail.app's Status window has the same issue. I'm on it.

Cool, thanks!

goMac · Jan 22, 2004, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by olorin15:
Yeah, and some competition it was ... especially in 10.3. TC/Duality worked great in 10.3, right? Oh wait, no they didn't ... panther broke old theming ... that's right, I remember now - that's why we needed SS. Ooof, my memory's getting bad - thank god i remembered how this all happened.

If my memory serves me correctly Duality 4 was created on 10.3 in XCode because the developer had the ADC preview releases (not cheap mind you). There weren't any 10.3 themes available at the time so the developer had fun testing out 10.2, 10.1, and 10.0 themes and they all worked.

Don't think we don't have something up our sleeves that we will be showing off verrrrry soon.

We intend to be fully competitive with ShapeShifter 1.5 and even out do it.

Hi I'm Mike · Jan 22, 2004, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
I am a modem user, I had no problem with the shapeshifter download. It's the themes I download that cause me trouble; they could easily be more compressed, and they bundle them with safari skins and desktops and on and on... I just want to download the theme, see if I like it, if I do, THEN I can download all the extras.

Another thing, being a modem user, I noticed that the dialup menu extra is not changed to the theme's text color like the clock/fast user switching etc. Did Unsanity overlook this, having probably never seen the dialup menu extra?

most guikits are hardly 1 meg.. the program is about 5, what are you talking about

NetworkShadow · Jan 23, 2004, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
If my memory serves me correctly Duality 4 was created on 10.3 in XCode because the developer had the ADC preview releases (not cheap mind you). There weren't any 10.3 themes available at the time so the developer had fun testing out 10.2, 10.1, and 10.0 themes and they all worked.

Don't think we don't have something up our sleeves that we will be showing off verrrrry soon. We intend to be fully competitive with ShapeShifter 1.5 and even out do it.

Too bad you don't have BBX, max, or swiz making themes for whatever it is... It will have to be damn good to make everyone jump on it. It would be cool if it is better than SS, but there's no way to tell until we see it, and SS 1.5.

Anyway, SS 1.5 sounds like it will kick ass from what I've been able to gather... Thought I don't know what cool new features BBX keeps talking about.

cgc · Jan 23, 2004, 12:50 AM

Here is a copy of the email i just sent to Unsanity tech support:

------- Begin email -------
Hello. I mentioned this bug on the MacNN GUI Customization forums. My configuration is as follows:

400MHz G4 PowerMac
512MB memory
ATI Radeon 8500
Two HDDs and a Zip 250 (all internal)

Mac OS 10.3.2
Safari v1.1.1
ShapeShifter v1.1
APE v1.1

The problem I have is when I use a metal window for Safari (changed to metal via SafarIcon) and resize or add a tab or do anything that requires a window update (not a window contents update). The metal part of the window gets thrashed and turns to garbles junk. I can click on the green + icon on the window border or hide/reveal the window or otherwise force a redraw and it's fine, until I resize or add tab, etc. This only happens with metal windows.
------- End email -------

badidea · Jan 23, 2004, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by badidea:
Shapeshifter or Theme Bug??
(look at the context menu devider lines)

ZOOM

or

Detail

Now is this a bug or not??

iNeusch · Jan 23, 2004, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by NetworkShadow:
Too bad you don't have BBX, max, or swiz making themes for whatever it is... It will have to be damn good to make everyone jump on it. It would be cool if it is better than SS, but there's no way to tell until we see it, and SS 1.5.

Anyway, SS 1.5 sounds like it will kick ass from what I've been able to gather... Thought I don't know what cool new features BBX keeps talking about.

That's true
Good themes make the good theme changer...

No one wants the best Theme changer if the themes are crappy !
Do you have any sample theme to show ?

smeger · Jan 23, 2004, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by badidea:
Shapeshifter or Theme Bug??
(look at the context menu devider lines)

<image snipped>

or

Detail

I suspect that this is a problem with FinderIcon. I notice that it's not using the standard menu text size, which makes me suspect that it's doing some voodoo with menu drawing.

NetworkShadow · Jan 23, 2004, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by smeger:
I suspect that this is a problem with FinderIcon. I notice that it's not using the standard menu text size, which makes me suspect that it's doing some voodoo with menu drawing.

What ever happened to standards? Too bad Aqua is really a mess under the clean happy surface.

Hi I'm Mike · Jan 24, 2004, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by dru:

ShapeShifter 1.0 wasn't even a good interface for theme switching. It doesn't support icons like Duality did, for example.

well what the hell is candybar and all those other programs for? im sure shapeshifter could throw something fast together like candybar does but why the hassle? there is already more than one icon program out there and they work.

badidea · Jan 24, 2004, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by smeger:
I suspect that this is a problem with FinderIcon. I notice that it's not using the standard menu text size, which makes me suspect that it's doing some voodoo with menu drawing.

That's what I was thinking too but I wasn't sure if it could have been a SS Bug that made this narrow menu look like this.
It's not a problem I couldn't live with though...no problemo

iNeusch · Jan 24, 2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:
well what the hell is candybar and all those other programs for? im sure shapeshifter could throw something fast together like candybar does but why the hassle? there is already more than one icon program out there and they work.

Would be nice to have everything in one...

Frisbee · Jan 24, 2004, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:
most guikits are hardly 1 meg.. the program is about 5, what are you talking about

The guikits themselves are very small, but some come with many, many extras. A few desktop pictures, safari skin... SS is about 4.6 megs, I've seen guikits+extras at 6+ megs (and no, they weren't DLTAs)

H * � � · Jan 24, 2004, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by olorin15:
That's how shareware is supposed to work - you try it and then you buy it (or not). You don't keep "trying" it with every new release.

Each version of SS installed should reset the demo period according to the developers.
I have found this to be untrue on both of my Macs however.