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I feel California’s biggest problem is the number of people who pretend the desert part isn’t desert.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Wright went in such a different direction than Sullivan, I’m honestly not sure what you’re talking about.
I’ll say that I definitely don’t know enough to be discussing with a Chicago native—mostly I almost bought a 1958 house a couple years ago that was designed by an architect who was heavily influenced by Wright, so I went down a few rabbit holes and gained a little more appreciation—and visited a few spots like Fallingwater and some of Sullivan’s buildings I Chicago last year.

I guess it’s more or less prevalent depending on when you parachute into Wright’s career, but I think he really borrowed heavily from Sullivan in some of his basic design statements, although he obviously made them his own.

I suppose if you consider how Sullivan ended up, Wright was prpbably overrated
in comparison I’ll give you that.
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Well, I’m a sucker for architectural details, and that was Sullivan’s wheelhouse. The buildings themselves are usually just a single box, which makes sense because they’re usually offices.

Wright I feel is the opposite... very little in the way of detail, but structurally complicated. Of course, he was building homes.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
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Lots of very green policies and an economy that still works pretty well. No wonder they hate it, it proves a chunk of their belief system to be the obvious bullshit it is.
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Mar 12, 2020, 12:28 PM
 
Apparently not going out on a limb with this one.

Cheese dust.

It seems properly rated here, but not by the people determining shelf space at retail.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Lots of very green policies and an economy that still works pretty well. No wonder they hate it, it proves a chunk of their belief system to be the obvious bullshit it is.
Plus, denial doesn't work as well when it's not a faraway place like Norway, Sweden, or Germany. Those might as well be from a fantasy novel.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Well, I’m a sucker for architectural details, and that was Sullivan’s wheelhouse. The buildings themselves are usually just a single box, which makes sense because they’re usually offices.

Wright I feel is the opposite... very little in the way of detail, but structurally complicated. Of course, he was building homes.
Yeah, I think that’s a key practical difference. I was thinking more in the broad sense of repeating geometrical square/rectangular patterns combined with round elements like those distinctive archways.

Wright only did a couple office buildings, and that was during a later time when construction priorities were significantly different than at/before turn of the century.

FWIW I think the front facade for that music store is my favourite thing by Sullivan. It’s phenomenal.
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It is!

Friend of mine used to work there when it was an art gallery.

It’s for sale right now if you’re in the market.
     
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Mar 16, 2020, 10:05 PM
 
Hah—how much?

The local FLW-inspired house here ended up going for 20k more than we bid. Thing is, we foolishly had extended ourselves too much to go that far, so turns out we were saved from ourselves—ended up buying a way better house for 100k cheaper (although no cool Prairie-style architectural details unfortunately).

Best/worst part: the buyer turned out to be a developer. Knocked down the house and is currently putting up a McMansion. All hail Toronto.
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Hah—how much?
IIRC, they’re asking $2.5 million.
     
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Dudley Moore.
     
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Dudley Moore.
I can’t quibble with that.
     
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Nov 28, 2020, 09:11 AM
 
His comic timing is more evident from his earlier work I suspect. He did a lot of work with Peter Cook which is very well thought of in comedy circles.
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He’s at his best with Cook, but Cook completely outshines him.
     
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Nov 29, 2020, 11:28 PM
 
Just sold a house in SoCal, where the market is hot. The house sold for 20K more than a similar, but slightly larger and better house (and staged and in better condition) in the same area a few months back.

The housing market is hot now, but overrated because prices are up and up.
     
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What bubble?
     
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Dec 3, 2020, 04:39 AM
 
The band Oasis. I hate them. If it weren't for one particular DJ back in the 90s, no-one would ever have cared about them. I want to punch their lead singer in the face. I wish people had better taste in music.
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If it makes you feel any better the Gallagher brothers still hate each other
     
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If it makes you feel any better the Gallagher brothers still hate each other
As they should.

Anything that keeps the band from getting back together is a great thing. The media would be insufferable.
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May 3, 2021, 03:35 AM
 
Cooper Black.

What an ugly typeface. Comic sans of the 1920s and 30s.
     
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May 3, 2021, 08:36 AM
 
My former employer would strenuously disagree with you on that assessment.

And, to be honest, I have a bit of love for Cooper, too. You can kern the shit out of that face and it will still work. And, the skewed negative space in the o is kind of endearing.
     
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May 3, 2021, 08:44 AM
 
It has its place. Maybe Comic Sans was a little harsh. Let’s say Papyrus.

It really is overused in these 20s and 30s ads I’m looking at.
     
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May 3, 2021, 09:19 AM
 
I saw Chicago on the back of some company's van last week and had mega flashbacks to system 6/7.
     
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May 3, 2021, 09:33 AM
 
Chicago is so spectacularly awesome for what it was made for, and so spectacularly wrong in any other context.
     
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May 3, 2021, 01:35 PM
 
I actually like Cooper Black. Its problem is that it was so overused at some point that it became a "70s" font.

So above papyrus and comic sans, definitely. I'd place it in the Gil Sans territory- a perfectly nice professional font that for some reason got used for EVERYTHING in the 90s.
     
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May 3, 2021, 01:41 PM
 
One of the things that’s bugging me about seeing it all over the place in the 20s and 30s is that it got overused in the 70s. Totally kills the antique vibe.



70s is not antique yet goddammit!
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
One of the things that’s bugging me about seeing it all over the place in the 20s and 30s is that it got overused in the 70s. Totally kills the antique vibe.

70s is not antique yet goddammit!
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I would have been heavy into my Futura phase in the late 90s, but it was because I was going for a late 50s, early 60s, retro thing. Still love it, but it’s not my go-to for everything like it used to be.

Can’t think of an actual late 90s font.
     
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Can’t think of an actual late 90s font.
FF Meta. Very very late 90s

Was a print designer at that time. It was ALL over the place.
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I would have been heavy into my Futura phase in the late 90s, but it was because I was going for a late 50s, early 60s, retro thing. Still love it, but it’s not my go-to for everything like it used to be.
I used to love mixing weights of future. I love a bit of Futura bold right next to Futura light. Got a wee bit overused though. Did a lot of magazine headlines like that and a set of posters with loads of black with the heading in Futura bold/light in super dayglo yellow, green nd orange on the three posters. I think it was for Elle Decoration magazine.
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Modern Family

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Originally Posted by subego View Post
It really is overused in these 20s and 30s ads I’m looking at.
Remember, it was a spanking brand-new typeface in the 20s, so it’s going to be used to death in the era. Kind of like Gotham was around the turn of the 21st century. Zeitgeist.
     
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May 3, 2021, 04:49 PM
 
Cooper Black seems to have been so overused in the 70s because of the whole 70’s “retro” thing. Harking back to the 20s and 30s then was huge.

Movies like “The Sting” did a good job of being pretty authentic to the time period, but as usual there was a mass effort to cash in on that vibe, and lots of productions (film and TV) seemed to go with the idea that all you had to do was use those cool fashions and “the right type face” and you’d have a hit. Didn’t work that way…

I learned about commercial art production during that period. My mom worked for an ad agency in their art department, so I got plenty of exposure to photostats, Letraset, paste-ups (with real paste!), and so on. That art department didn’t get a Mac until the mid 1980s, and then they used it mostly for composing texts and headlines and such.

I think it’s also important to remember that in the actual 1970s, folks were dependent on Letraset for creating headlines and copy. If it wasn’t available in Letraset, most one-off things had to be designed with whatever font was on hand. So Cooper Black, which WAS available in Letraset, got used an awful lot on everything from menus to advertising posters, to whatever. It’s what was available for a certain “feel”.

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...paste-ups (with real paste!), and so on.
Nahhhhh...hot wax.
     
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May 4, 2021, 09:42 AM
 
It’s well used here. All the white space helps.

     
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I think calumet is a curse word in quebec.
     
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Clabber Girl FTW.
     
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We were always Calumet until my dad freaked out about the aluminum.
     
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Jammie Dodgers.

Veronas have better fruit caulk.
     
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Ketchup.

Disgusting.
     
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I don’t even know you anymore...
     
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You knew me as a kid, when I loved it.

Now I know the truth. BBQ sauce >>>>>>>>> Ketchup
     
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Well, yeah. But, then again, most BBQ sauce is dressed-up ketchup.
     
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May 16, 2021, 02:36 PM
 
HERESY!

I’m raising the stakes (which we use to burn heretics).

Marinara is overrated too. Pomodoro is good.
     
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It depends on which barbecue sauce you’re talking about. Which turns out to also be about what kind of barbecue you’re talking about.

Some ketchup is meh; weak, watery and overly vinegary. Some is too sweet, some not sweet enough. Whataburger, an iconic Texas burger chain, has a “spicy ketchup” that is now offered in grocery stores (at least here). It takes their basic “ok for dipping hot fries in” ketchup and gives it a zing. Not like “more vinegar,” not at all. It has just enough jalapeño bite to get your attention. It’s a nice change.

Heinz ketchup still has the thickness that made Carly Simon’s “Anticipation” a good match for their commercials. It has depth and you can actually taste tomatoes in it.

Hunt’s ketchup is kind of bland. It’s the ketchup you start a picky eater with. It’s ok if you’re using it with really hot steak fries (or fair copies of English chips), but otherwise it’s a “mixer” of sorts. Use it to build a real tomato-based sauce.

Now as to barbecue sauces…My current commercial fave is Sweet Baby Ray’s, a Chicago-based, Chicago style barbecue sauce. Central Texas barbecue sauce is different - and I love it too, but it’s also not terribly homogeneous. It’s thinner, not sweet, and often garlicky. For mesquite smoked brisket that’s great. For complimenting other things, not so much.

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SBR isn’t bad. If I’m buying at a store, I’m partial to “Jug”, which has a pineapple thing going on with it.

That’s just for dipping. For actually on meat, I like vinegar based, which I end up getting from whatever place I’m getting BBQ from. Haven’t done it myself for over a decade though. No balcony/deck/yard.
     
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The really simple ketchup tastes much more tomatoey. It's amazing how removing corn syrup makes things taste better.
     
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Now as to barbecue sauces…My current commercial fave is Sweet Baby Ray’s, a Chicago-based, Chicago style barbecue sauce. .
I like SBR's in concept, but I'm biased against HFCS.

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The really simple ketchup tastes much more tomatoey. It's amazing how removing corn syrup makes things taste better.
We get the Simply Heinz.

TOMATO CONCENTRATE FROM RED RIPE TOMATOES, DISTILLED VINEGAR, CANE SUGAR, SALT, ONION POWDER, SPICE, NATURAL FLAVORING.
     
 
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