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cmeisenzahl
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Dec 14, 2010, 12:57 PM
 
There's a section on machine gun use in WWI, the numbers of men mowed down by machine guns in open fields, before tactics changed to deal with the new weapons, are mind-boggling. Horrific.

'The Gun' by C. J. Chivers ( Amazon.com: The Gun (9780743270762): C. J. Chivers: Books )

Here's some more on it.
How the AK-47 Rewrote the Rules of Modern Warfare | Magazine�| Wired.com
AK-47 History - C.J. Chivers The Gun Excerpt - Esquire
Ask C.J. Chivers About His Book, 'The Gun' - NYTimes.com
     
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Dec 14, 2010, 01:52 PM
 
I remember talking with my great-great uncle about WWI and trench warfare, the look of horror in his eyes even 70 years later said it all.
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Dec 14, 2010, 03:37 PM
 
Saw an interesting docco on this subject. Both sides had to learn how to cope with the new weapon. Apparently if you stick your machine guns in front of an advancing enemy it's really hard to hit them. Site them off to the sides and it's suddenly a shooting gallery.
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Dec 14, 2010, 04:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Saw an interesting docco on this subject. Both sides had to learn how to cope with the new weapon. Apparently if you stick your machine guns in front of an advancing enemy it's really hard to hit them. Site them off to the sides and it's suddenly a shooting gallery.
Makes sense, but there's the psychological part of running into machine gun fire. Makes me wonder what it would take for me to do that. Surely for my family or if I were going to die anyway, probably for some of my friends, but just to stick it to the Kaiser?
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Dec 14, 2010, 06:37 PM
 
Probably not in a vacuum, but those guys charging next to you have become your friends.

More than one soldier involved in Blackhawk Down cites being under heavy fire as the moment they decided to reenlist. They knew their buddies needed them. Some hugely moving moments there.

Another point that was made is that you don't really get scared in a firefight, but you do get really pissed at the people shooting at you.
     
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Dec 14, 2010, 07:26 PM
 
A firefight is one thing, even heavy fire. It's another to just charge a machine gun nest.
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Dec 14, 2010, 08:32 PM
 
True. I meant it more as a (related) point of reference.
     
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Did the butler do it?
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Dec 15, 2010, 01:42 PM
 
There were significant desertion problems in World War One, most notably in the French army.

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Did the butler do it?
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