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U.S. seniors fight off muggers, killing one (Page 2)
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oh yes just like britian 
all we do is eat scones
oh and help you with your wars, but yeah, scones.
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Now would I come to the aid of someone else being mugged?
You betcha.
Unless they were some bleeding heart type thay begged me to allow them to live out their victimhood. 
I'll tell your family how bravely you squealed like a stuck pig as you lay in a pool of blood.
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Look, I don't ave anything against the Brits.
Hell, I love you guys.
But we do things a little different here in some places.
Yeah it seems barbaric to have to kill someone.
But if faced with the choice, we all choose life. 
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Originally Posted by Cipher13 
Investigated, yes. Charges pressed? No.
It should have been investigated to ensure that this was not a setup in which the retiree placed the other man in a situation whereby he could kill him freely, as unlikely as that seems.
Assuming what happened is exactly as described, then good riddance. Unprovoked attacks on people should end this way more often.
I agree. Not only that but supposedly there was a gun. In that situation If they killed the gun wielding mugger than I see no problem with that.
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Yes, I dispatched an illegal "immigrant" CRIMINAL trying to harm my family.
I merely pulled the trigger first and he went down gurgling in his own blood.
Should I have taken the bullet from him in hopes he would merely pilfer through my family's belongings?
Do I have any regrets? Yes, I should have emptied the gun in him to stop the awful gurgling noises.
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Shut up and eat your paisley.
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A growing lack of serious repercussions for illegal activities in the United States does nothing but embolden would-be criminals.
Go, grandpa!
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Originally Posted by Peter
oh yes just like britian
all we do is eat scones
oh and help you with your wars, but yeah, scones.
pathetic
World War II
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Shut up and eat your paisley.
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Over here we have the right to defend ourselves with 'reasonable force'. Unfortunately, what is 'reasonable' is not clearly stated. I suppose you could argue that being attacked with a knife = attempted murder (because even a single small stab wound has the potential to kill), therefore this is a reasonable level of retaliation.
FWIW, in the UK at least you do NOT have to wait until you are physically attacked before you attack, you just have to believe that an attack was inevitable and imminent, and that escape was not possible. Also, from general self defence training, if you are going to bother hitting someone, MAKE IT COUNT and DO NOT STOP until they are either a) running away or b) unable to chase you if you run away - that means down/unconsious or with a broken limb.
Seriously, if you hit someone, MEAN IT. Otherwise, hand over your wallet and be glad you avoided getting hurt.
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Hey, can you enighten me on this?
Seriously.
I curious to what it's really like across the pond.
We're told here you can't defend yourself and that criminals pretty much have taken over London.
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Indeed
"English common law prevails in the US; our homes are still our castles. Californians, for example, are entitled to use force to protect themselves and their property. Legislation in Oklahoma which allowed the home-owner to use force no matter how slight the threat has reduced burglary by nearly half since it was passed 15 years ago. What British police condemn as "vigilante" behaviour has produced an American burglary rate less than half the English rate. And, while 53 per cent of English burglaries occur when someone is at home, only 13 per cent do in America, where burglars admit to fearing armed home-owners more than the police. Violent crime in the US is at a 30-year low."
I suggest people read that article as well. As to WHY guns are being taken away. It's to protect the government. That is all.
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Indeed
"English common law prevails in the US; our homes are still our castles. Californians, for example, are entitled to use force to protect themselves and their property. Legislation in Oklahoma which allowed the home-owner to use force no matter how slight the threat has reduced burglary by nearly half since it was passed 15 years ago. What British police condemn as "vigilante" behaviour has produced an American burglary rate less than half the English rate. And, while 53 per cent of English burglaries occur when someone is at home, only 13 per cent do in America, where burglars admit to fearing armed home-owners more than the police. Violent crime in the US is at a 30-year low."
I suggest people read that article as well. As to WHY guns are being taken away. It's to protect the government. That is all.
You cannot compare someone breaking in and taking your DVD player and running away, with them sneaking in, raping your wife then shooting your family and running away.
Stats from Nation Master
NationMaster - Crime Statistics
Murders with firearms per capita
United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
Rapes Per Capita
United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 0.142172 per 1,000 people
Adults Prosecuted per capita
United States: 48.029 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 24.8958 per 1,000 people
Burglaries per capita
United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people
United Kingdom: 13.8321 per 1,000 people
So you are twice as likely to be raped, have twice the chance of living next door to a criminal and are 27 times more likely to be shot to death in the US.
This is OK because home burglary/petty theft levels are half of the UK's!
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Last edited by moonmonkey; Mar 1, 2007 at 09:05 AM.
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Originally Posted by moonmonkey
You cannot compare someone breaking in and taking your DVD player and running away, with them sneaking in, raping your wife then shooting your family.
Wha?
Where did I say that at all? And your stats didn't in any way disprove anything I have said.
Your WHOLE POST was a straw-man. A diversion.
Maybe a self defense mechanism.
It really had nothing to do with my point. Nadda. Zilch.
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oh well, I wasted 5 minutes then. 
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