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Paco500 · May 24, 2011, 12:18 PM

I followed the reviews and based on those, Navigon seems to be slightly better loved. However, I've used a stand-alone tomtom for 6 years, knew the interface, liked the features and was confident I would not be disappointed. If I didn't know either, I would probably have gone Navigon.

I bought the traffic add-on and it's pretty damn good.

seanc · May 24, 2011, 01:21 PM

Yeah I bought the traffic add-on for Navigon.

Works well so long as you trust it and don't think you know better, like I did last week.

bstone · May 24, 2011, 01:28 PM

I think I will go with Navigon.

The iPhone 4 just arrived from FedEx. I am in the process of setting it up.

Phileas · May 24, 2011, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by seanc

Works well so long as you trust it and don't think you know better, like I did last week.

Indeed. I did the same thing, not listen to the forecast, and promptly got stuck in traffic.

bstone · May 24, 2011, 02:12 PM

iPhone 4 is set up for Verizon and Navigon USA has been installed for $49.95.

bstone · May 24, 2011, 02:50 PM

Navigon installed. Playing with it now.

SSharon · May 24, 2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by bstone

Yeah, they are sending it overnight AND waving the shipping fee.

Enjoy your new iPhone and don't forget to wave back.

bstone · May 25, 2011, 12:04 AM

iphone is set up and doing well. It makes and receives calls and all.

I need a case for it. Please suggest one. The options are confusing and too many.

imitchellg5 · May 25, 2011, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

If you don't already have an iPhone but would consider buying one for TomTom let me propose something else: buy an Android phone. The normal, built-in Google Maps app on Android phones does turn-by-turn GPS navigation (for cars and pedestrians!).

It does cycling and buses too!

SSharon · May 25, 2011, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by bstone

iphone is set up and doing well. It makes and receives calls and all.

I need a case for it. Please suggest one. The options are confusing and too many.

Can you give us a clue as to what you want? If you keep the phone in your pocket then the rubberized ones tend to be annoying, but if you are outdoors a lot and drop your phone frequently then the rubberized ones might be a good fit. Do you want a waterproof case? Do you want a case that will accommodate a specific peripheral?

bstone · May 25, 2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

Can you give us a clue as to what you want? If you keep the phone in your pocket then the rubberized ones tend to be annoying, but if you are outdoors a lot and drop your phone frequently then the rubberized ones might be a good fit. Do you want a waterproof case? Do you want a case that will accommodate a specific peripheral?

I always keep it in my pocket, so I guess no rubber. I don't hike much these days, so unlikely to need waterproof. I guess something to keep my greasy fingers from ruining the phone.

SSharon · May 25, 2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by bstone

I always keep it in my pocket, so I guess no rubber. I don't hike much these days, so unlikely to need waterproof. I guess something to keep my greasy fingers from ruining the phone.

So with or without a screen protector? I had one on my old iphone but don't have one on my iphone 4 and don't mind. I think it helps protect against cosmetic scratches and maybe makes it easier to wipe away finger oils, but I don't see it as essential anymore.

Are you willing to trade bulk for protection?

Do you want a belt clip?

nonhuman · May 25, 2011, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

It does cycling and buses too!

Yeah, but it doesn't do turn-by-turn navigation for those, only walking and driving sadly.

bstone · 10:22 PM

Alright, I've ordered a case and car charger and now am looking for a windshield mount. These seem to be what looks good. Your feedback would be extremely helpful:

Griffin Technology WindowSeat Windshield Mount for Apple iPod Touch and iPhone - Black 10021-IPWNDSTB

Windshield Mount Holder for Apple iPhone 4 156216

Arkon SM514 WINDSHIELD, Dashboard and Console Mount for iPhone 4

Satechi CR -3600 Car Holder Mount for iPhone 4 3G 3GS BlackBerry Torch HTC EVO Droid Samsung Epic on Windshield and Dashboard

but this one looks the best and is super inexpensive:
http://www.amazon.com/Suction-Windsh...7&sr=8-3-fkmr0

Thoughts?

seanc · May 27, 2011, 07:35 AM

I've not come across a suction mount that didn't fall of while driving.

Doofy · May 27, 2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by seanc

I've not come across a suction mount that didn't fall of while driving.

Ye olde TomTom one hasn't come off yet. And that's with my driving.

Spheric Harlot · May 27, 2011, 08:18 AM

My TomTom iPhone cradle came off once. Just once, though.

bstone · May 27, 2011, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by seanc

I've not come across a suction mount that didn't fall of while driving.

My old Garmin one almost never fell off. It would go months and months of being firmly attached.

ghporter · May 28, 2011, 06:45 AM

I'm with stone on this. My Nuvi's mount is solid. I tend to use it on complicated or long-haul navigation tasks, and it's never budged. Additionally, it doesn't take long term attachment to keep the suction cup solidly in place. I take mine off the windshield as soon as I park, and the mount goes back on just as solidly. Maybe it's Garmin's suction cups that make the difference...

Laminar · May 28, 2011, 09:21 AM

Hay guyz wat is android?

Doofy · May 28, 2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Laminar

Hay guyz wat is android?

That's Android, on the left (with Cyborg in the middle and Muton on the right).

bstone · Jun 5, 2011, 03:50 AM

Navigon works well. A few things I don't like, but it mostly works well.

I noticed it does NOT come with traffic guidance to help me avoid jams. It's an add on for another $20 or so. Am I getting this right?

Phileas · Jun 5, 2011, 08:49 AM

Yes, live traffic is an in-app purchase.

Athens · Jun 6, 2011, 02:34 AM

Im using TomTom and love it. I cant speak much for Navigon but can promise TomTom isnt a wrong choice. I suspect which ever one you go with it will be a right choice. TomTom allows users to send in corrections to errors and updates often. Its very accurate, works well with sending voice over my car deck with the music. Last time I compared the 2 was a year ago and I liked TomToms interface a little more between the 2. But they both have changed a lot since then.

Laminar · Jun 6, 2011, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Athens

Im using TomTom and love it. I cant speak much for Navigon but can promise TomTom isnt a wrong choice. I suspect which ever one you go with it will be a right choice. TomTom allows users to send in corrections to errors and updates often. Its very accurate, works well with sending voice over my car deck with the music. Last time I compared the 2 was a year ago and I liked TomToms interface a little more between the 2. But they both have changed a lot since then.

What's TomTom's policy on map updates?

Athens · Jun 6, 2011, 03:06 PM

Updates it seems every month. They don't charge for it. They also update corrections move often then that.

Athens · Jun 6, 2011, 03:07 PM

My only complaint with TomTom is no Canadian traffic, but I don't know if Navigon has it either.

Spheric Harlot · Jun 6, 2011, 03:52 PM

There's traffic in Canada?

Athens · Jun 6, 2011, 04:31 PM

Yes, we do have cars. We moved away from Horse and Carriage a couple years ago :|

bstone · Jun 10, 2011, 10:42 AM

Two questions on Navigon:

1) How do I enter an intersection to travel to?

2) How do I scroll through the directions to a particular destination?

Phileas · Jun 10, 2011, 12:04 PM

What is this traffic you speak of?

bstone · Jun 19, 2011, 02:23 AM

Two more questions:

1) Repeat of #2, from above
2) How do I upload R2-D2's voice, instead of the annoying British lady?

Spheric Harlot · Jun 19, 2011, 02:50 AM

R2-D2 is just synth bleeps. Not sure that's useful.

bstone · Jun 19, 2011, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

R2-D2 is just synth bleeps. Not sure that's useful.

I perfectly understand this. Yet I still want it.

Beep, not bleep.

Spheric Harlot · Jun 19, 2011, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by bstone

I perfectly understand this. Yet I still want it.

Beep, not bleep.

No, bleep.

A "beep" is a shitty car horn.

Bleeps and bloops is what analog synths make.

bstone · Jun 19, 2011, 03:55 AM

*shrug*

Person Man · Jun 19, 2011, 10:12 AM

Navigon doesn't do alternate voices on their iPhone app yet. They claim to be working on it, though. And the lady's voice isn't British. It's a bad version of Nuance's American female voice.

The British voice is a man.

Spheric Harlot · Jun 19, 2011, 02:16 PM

The German version has a couple voices in an in-app purchase bundle.

I still have wonder about the sense in having analog synth bleeps and bloops do the announcements.

Laminar · Jun 19, 2011, 04:26 PM

I replaced the voice on my TomTom with fax machine sounds.

bstone · Jun 30, 2011, 12:20 AM

I noticed a bit of an annoying issue with Navigon. It keeps asking me for my password. It seems to happen more often if I receive a text message. I can type in the password, but that doesn't seem to change anything. I went to Navigon's website and their support section is essentially non-existent.

Thoughts? Ideas?

seanc · Jun 30, 2011, 06:17 AM

There was an update recently to fix that kind of issue.
Have you checked for updates?

bstone · Jun 30, 2011, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by seanc

There was an update recently to fix that kind of issue.
Have you checked for updates?

Just checked. App Store has no updated for Navigon.

Person Man · Jun 30, 2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by bstone

Just checked. App Store has no updated for Navigon.

Which version are you running? (From the Main Menu, touch the "i" in the circle to get the About screen. Latest version is 1.8.2. The new version was released to correct the bug, but some people are finding they need to completely remove the app from their device and reinstall it.

They have decent support on their Facebook page. if you have a Facebook account you should look at it.

bstone · Jun 30, 2011, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Person Man

Which version are you running? (From the Main Menu, touch the "i" in the circle to get the About screen. Latest version is 1.8.2. The new version was released to correct the bug, but some people are finding they need to completely remove the app from their device and reinstall it.

They have decent support on their Facebook page. if you have a Facebook account you should look at it.

Yeah I am running 182. This version was installed when I downloaded the app. Not sure why a virgin instal should have the problem. I'll deal with it when I get home. I'm right now in the middle of very rural Pennsylvania. It's very beautiful

bstone · Jul 1, 2011, 12:01 PM

I posted on navigon's fb page. They deleted my question without answering it. Not making me happy.

Person Man · Jul 1, 2011, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by bstone

I posted on navigon's fb page. They deleted my question without answering it. Not making me happy.

That is very odd. They leave up far nastier posts so I'd be surprised if they deleted it on purpose. I've had good responses from them in the past. Try emailing [email protected]

EDIT: Note, I don't mean to say that I think that you wrote a nasty note. Just that they have had very angry posts that they've left up without complaint.

Person Man · Jul 5, 2011, 12:14 PM

bstone: Check the Navigon Wall again. They restored your original post. It was apparently "hidden" somehow.

bstone · Jul 5, 2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Person Man

bstone: Check the Navigon Wall again. They restored your original post. It was apparently "hidden" somehow.

Yeah I just read that. I used it a bit yesterday and it didn't ask me for my password even once. I think they fixed it on their end.