[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

You are very much out of touch. As self-evidenced by the fact that you still have a Playboy subscription.

There's nothing wrong with that. But there's no need to go rampaging about to blame larger societal ills just because your classy titty mag of choice is going, errrr, tits up.

That's right, keep playing the self-righteous buffoon. I just made a thread for conversation, my life doesn't turn one way or the other for lack of Playboy, it's just a thing I browse for 10 minutes each month. If that's not your type of thing, the door's over there, champ.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

It doesn't bother me in and of itself, but this was an example of a pretty common thing I'm bothered by, which is the cheesecake being thrown into inappropriate contexts, like a gadget magazine.

Oh lawd! Now you're going to say that tits have no place in car magazines.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

That's right, keep playing the self-righteous buffoon. I just made a thread for conversation, my life doesn't turn one way or the other for lack of Playboy, it's just a thing I browse for 10 minutes each month. If that's not your type of thing, the door's over there, champ.

The point I'm making is that it's not anybody's type of thing.....or at least anybody under 30. It's a relic of a past age - a different time.

I'm not saying it isn't good or enjoyable. And I'm not saying it wasn't an earlier time, a better time. But it was a time when many women would be hot to trot if you could promise the Playboy Mansion/grotto..... whereas now the reaction would be faint disgust and/or morbid curiosity.

This has literally be decades in the making. Your outrage seems puzzling and very out of touch.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

You highlighted that they still allow accessing via wifi.

You're the one that made the observation. I was wondering why you would note that.

[subego]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

The point I'm making is that it's not anybody's type of thing.....or at least anybody under 30. It's a relic of a past age - a different time.

I'm not saying it isn't good or enjoyable. And I'm not saying it wasn't an earlier time, a better time. But it was a time when many women would be hot to trot if you could promise the Playboy Mansion/grotto..... whereas now the reaction would be faint disgust and/or morbid curiosity.

This has literally be decades in the making. Your outrage seems puzzling and very out of touch.

As I said on the previous page, your comments don't make it appear as if you read it very often.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Oh lawd! Now you're going to say that tits have no place in car magazines.

I'm only familiar with stuff like the Pirelli Tire calendar, which I admit strikes me as also silly.

[andi*pandi]

I'm just imagining some sewing or cooking magazine (stereotypical non-porn women's hobby mag) with page 3 or centerfold d!ckpix. Strikes me as both hysterical, and unhygienic. Imagine cutting a recipe out and on the reverse side... hahahaha. Imagine it being left out in hairdresser coffee tables, nurse's lounges, taped up in secretary cubicles (instead of garages, print shops, other male bastions).

Not that male cheesecake calendars etc don't exist (firemen, for some reason), but it also struck me as silly. You don't see kitchenware calendars with male models draped lovingly over blenders and marble countertops. I get the marketing, I do. It's how to sell to most men. But it made me feel uncomfortable in an otherwise all-male workplace to go into the print shop and find a girly calendar on the wall from an ink company. Depends on how explicit, of course.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

The point I'm making is that it's not anybody's type of thing.....or at least anybody under 30. It's a relic of a past age - a different time.

I'm not saying it isn't good or enjoyable. And I'm not saying it wasn't an earlier time, a better time. But it was a time when many women would be hot to trot if you could promise the Playboy Mansion/grotto..... whereas now the reaction would be faint disgust and/or morbid curiosity.

This has literally be decades in the making. Your outrage seems puzzling and very out of touch.

"Outrage". Interesting choice of words. That projection doesn't seem to fit me on this matter, I'd frame it more as disappointment. "Anybody under 30"? I proudly admit I'm not under 30. As if that, largely sad, demographic is the only one that matters. You realize there are a lot of people >30 still kicking around, right?

As for being "out of touch". With society in the sorry state it is now and Social Justice in full bloom? Yes, that's pretty accurate, and I'm quite happy to be out of touch with that. Millennials.

[subego]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I'm just imagining some sewing or cooking magazine (stereotypical non-porn women's hobby mag) with page 3 or centerfold d!ckpix. Strikes me as both hysterical, and unhygienic. Imagine cutting a recipe out and on the reverse side... hahahaha. Imagine it being left out in hairdresser coffee tables, nurse's lounges, taped up in secretary cubicles (instead of garages, print shops, other male bastions).

Not that male cheesecake calendars etc don't exist (firemen, for some reason), but it also struck me as silly. You don't see kitchenware calendars with male models draped lovingly over blenders and marble countertops. I get the marketing, I do. It's how to sell to most men. But it made me feel uncomfortable in an otherwise all-male workplace to go into the print shop and find a girly calendar on the wall from an ink company. Depends on how explicit, of course.

When I used to read UK Stuff, I felt a little embarrassed, and would have to defend it with "no, it's a really good magazine, it just has random cheesecake pictures in it".

Does anyone remember the Mac graphic arts production magazine which was packed with cheesecake? I can't remember the name but I used to call it "MacSlut".

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I'm just imagining some sewing or cooking magazine (stereotypical non-porn women's hobby mag) with page 3 or centerfold d!ckpix. Strikes me as both hysterical, and unhygienic. Imagine cutting a recipe out and on the reverse side... hahahaha. Imagine it being left out in hairdresser coffee tables, nurse's lounges, taped up in secretary cubicles (instead of garages, print shops, other male bastions).

Not that male cheesecake calendars etc don't exist (firemen, for some reason), but it also struck me as silly. You don't see kitchenware calendars with male models draped lovingly over blenders and marble countertops. I get the marketing, I do. It's how to sell to most men. But it made me feel uncomfortable in an otherwise all-male workplace to go into the print shop and find a girly calendar on the wall from an ink company. Depends on how explicit, of course.

It's called Playgirl, and it's still being published (with dickpix).

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

When I used to read UK Stuff, I felt a little embarrassed, and would have to defend it with "no, it's a really good magazine, it just has random cheesecake pictures in it".

Does anyone remember the Mac graphic arts production magazine which was packed with cheesecake? I can't remember the name but I used to call it "MacSlut".

I suppose I don't understand the cause for embarrassment. Why do you feel embarrassed?

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

It's called Playgirl, and it's still being published (with dickpix).

Isn't that mostly for gay guys?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

"Outrage". Interesting choice of words. That projection doesn't seem to fit me on this matter, I'd frame it more as disappointment. "Anybody under 30"? I proudly admit I'm not under 30. As if that, largely sad, demographic is the only one that matters. You realize there are a lot of people >30 still kicking around, right?

As for being "out of touch". With society in the sorry state it is now and Social Justice in full bloom? Yes, that's pretty accurate, and I'm quite happy to be out of touch with that. Millennials.

Well, we can now mark the moment Shaddim hit peak decrepitude.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

I suppose I don't understand the cause for embarrassment. Why do you feel embarrassed?

Because of the implication the cheesecake factored into why I liked the magazine, when in reality it was my least favorite part. I'd have rather had the expense and page count dedicated to gadgets. That's why I was buying the thing.

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

It's called Playgirl, and it's still being published (with dickpix).

Well, I was making a comparison to a men's hobby magazine (cars). IIRC, playgirl was straightup porn. No baking tips or fashion spreads.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

Isn't that mostly for gay guys?

It's about 50/50 I've heard, that arrives in a sealed pink bag each month and I just place it over in the wife's pile of stuff.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Well, we can now mark the moment Shaddim hit peak decrepitude.

If that means I'm not like Laci, here:



then you're 100% correct.

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Well, I was making a comparison to a men's hobby magazine (cars). IIRC, playgirl was straightup porn. No baking tips or fashion spreads.

Like Cosmo?

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

Because of the implication the cheesecake factored into why I liked the magazine, when in reality it was my least favorite part. I'd have rather had the expense and page count dedicated to gadgets. That's why I was buying the thing.

I see what you're getting at, I suppose I don't see much of a difference between an image of a beautiful nude woman and, say, a `63 split-window `vette. To me it isn't "problematic". Before the sexual revolution seeing a topless woman in public was scandalous, then it (almost) became normal, and now we're back to scandalous (for both women and men).

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Like Cosmo?

I find Cosmo to be hugely embarrassing.

[osiris]

Oui. That was a magazine.

[Waragainstsleep]

Who still reads magazines anyway?

[osiris]

true. I still get a comp Wired but pay for MacLife or whatever the hell it's called. Old news by the time it arrives.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Who still reads magazines anyway?

In digital form? Regularly. In paper form? Only a few (largely car mags that have very nice fold-outs).

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Like Cosmo?

Does Car and Driver feature articles on how to please your woman/man? 67 tips for sexier abs?

Cosmo = Maxim, from what I can tell. It's been a while since I read Cosmo, and maybe I'm not accurate on Maxim, but neither of these are porn. Racy? Sure. But they walk the line. Mainly they consist of fiction/nonfiction articles, image guides (fashion, makeup/grooming/shaving tips) light gadgets (cool watches/phones/eyelash curlers). Both feature perfume / body spray ads that could make playboy look puritan, but are technically legit due to coverage of prime features.

I'm not surprised to find sexy ads in these.

Car and Driver though? Makes me giggle, imagining porn in other hobby magazines. Scrapbooking. Farming. Sewers Monthly. Model Airplanes.

Maybe it means a wider discussion of what a hobby magazine is... why is racy material ok in fashion mags, but so odd seeming in hobby mags? Isn't fashion a hobby? But fashion is more directly equated with personal appearance, which means sex appeal... Hmm.

Anyway.

[osiris]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

...Only a few (largely car mags that have very nice fold-outs).

of cars or ladies?

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Who still reads magazines anyway?

I have a couple subscriptions left over from the days when we couldn't use electronic devices during takeoff/landing. Now that I can keep the phone/laptop out the whole time, there's no need, though the Harbor Freight coupons I get usually pay for the subscription.

This thread finally reminded me to go ahead and cancel the auto-renew on Popular Mechanics.

[subego]

Originally Posted by osiris 

of cars or ladies?

Get a load of that two-stroke!

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Does Car and Driver feature articles on how to please your woman/man? 67 tips for sexier abs?

Cosmo = Maxim, from what I can tell. It's been a while since I read Cosmo, and maybe I'm not accurate on Maxim, but neither of these are porn. Racy? Sure. But they walk the line. Mainly they consist of fiction/nonfiction articles, image guides (fashion, makeup/grooming/shaving tips) light gadgets (cool watches/phones/eyelash curlers). Both feature perfume / body spray ads that could make playboy look puritan, but are technically legit due to coverage of prime features.

I'm not surprised to find sexy ads in these.

Car and Driver though? Makes me giggle, imagining porn in other hobby magazines. Scrapbooking. Farming. Sewers Monthly. Model Airplanes.

Maybe it means a wider discussion of what a hobby magazine is... why is racy material ok in fashion mags, but so odd seeming in hobby mags? Isn't fashion a hobby? But fashion is more directly equated with personal appearance, which means sex appeal... Hmm.

Anyway.

Can't say I read Car & Driver (or Motor Trend), they're like Consumer Report, testing and evaluating, not really a car hobbyist magazine. Anyway, I don't consider Playboy to be porn, either. The only people I know who do are evangelical types.

Originally Posted by osiris 

of cars or ladies?

Mmm... both?

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by subego 

As I said on the previous page, your comments don't make it appear as if you read it very often.

I read it regularly, but only because my best friend is the only mid-30s guy I know who actually has a subscription. It's washroom material during game nights at his man cave.

Shaddim's playing the old man yells at cloud, earlier time better time angle. The fact of the matter is that Playboy has been dying and irrelevant for almost a couple decades now, and is making some desperate moves to try and hang on. It won't work, but respect for trying anything I guess. Moving on.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Mmm... both?

This makes me giggle. If she were to try and drive that, her ass would stick to the seat, and if she was on the beach, she would sink like she was wearing tent pegs.

Edit: she also clearly can't park worth a damn.

[subego]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

It's washroom material during game nights at his man cave.

We should chip in and get you, I don't know... a phone.

And, Jesus. Light a match next time or something.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

This makes me giggle. If she were to try and drive that, her ass would stick to the seat, and if she was on the beach, she would sink like she was wearing tent pegs.

Edit: she also clearly can't park worth a damn.

That's usually the way Ferrari drivers park, didn't you know?

I don't, it's f-ing obnoxious as hell.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

Shaddim's playing the old man yells at cloud

I'm not gonna lie, this was on of the first things that came to mind reading the thread

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Minus the yelling and shaking my fist, or being particularly old, but okay.

[Laminar]

Right, those are what you're being accused of.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Right, those are what you're being accused of.

Shaddim's playing the old man yells at cloud

[Laminar]

My all means, continue proving to everyone how out of touch you are.

[subego]

With the potential exception of StM, who apparently saves his mad shits for his friend's bathroom, I don't see people being in a position to challenge his claim.

I certainly can't. As I said, the last time I even looked at one was over 10 years ago.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by subego 

With the potential exception of StM, who apparently saves his mad shits for his friend's bathroom, I don't see people being in a position to challenge his claim.

Which claim? There were several to choose from.

[subego]

The editorial policy (i.e. the articles) has been taking a "neo-progressive" slant.

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by subego 

This makes me giggle. If she were to try and drive that, her ass would stick to the seat, and if she was on the beach, she would sink like she was wearing tent pegs.

Seat comfort aside, I would not want to drive in those shoes.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by subego 

The editorial policy (i.e. the articles) has been taking a "neo-progressive" slant.

Ah. Sure.

[subego]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Ah. Sure.

Are you dismissing the claim?

[The Final Dakar]

No, I'm agreeing that we who don't read can't challenge it.

[subego]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Seat comfort aside, I would not want to drive in those shoes.

And there you go. Another way the woman's purpose in the picture is expressly antithetical to the context of what's being pictured. Let's use a person as dressing.

And to be clear, it's not that it's cheesecake. If the context is "this is a hot woman", then she's not dressing anymore. She is the context.

[subego]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

No, I'm agreeing that we who don't read can't challenge it.

Gotcha. "Sure" is one of those words which for me is losing the ability to be used neutrally.

Like "okay".

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by subego 

Gotcha. "Sure" is one of those words which for me is losing the ability to be used neutrally.

Like "okay".

okay

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

My all means, continue proving to everyone how out of touch you are.

Out of touch with current society? You're 100% correct.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Which claim? There were several to choose from.

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Ah. Sure.

Sour puss.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

And to be clear, it's not that it's cheesecake. If the context is "this is a hot woman", then she's not dressing anymore. She is the context.

Indeed she is, and healthy context, at that.