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Waragainstsleep · Jul 25, 2011, 05:22 PM

Where do people stand on these drug vaccines that are being researched? Is it ethical to make such a thing mandatory? How do you stop someone overdosing in an attempt to get high while vaccinated?

brassplayersrock² · Jul 25, 2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

She was an incredible talent with an amazing voice. I guarantee her iTunes sales are about to explode.

Originally Posted by gradient

Yep, her Back to Black album is at #1 and Frank is at #4 in the Canadian iTunes store as we speak. I'm a bit disappointed (though not surprised, business is business after all) that Apple has chosen to cash in on this so shamelessly/aggressively - when I opened the store tonight their front page was 'Remembering Amy Winehouse', linking not to any kind of writeup or biography but strictly to all the available purchases.

Microsoft apologizes for Amy Winehouse tweet - latimes.com

gradient · Jul 25, 2011, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²

Microsoft apologizes for Amy Winehouse tweet - latimes.com

Wow...I mean wow. That takes vile a step further, no doubt.

tightsocks · Jul 26, 2011, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by sek929

Addiction is a recognized disease,

It was voted on by a committee and now it is called a disease.
It wasn't discovered by pathologists undertaking the scientific method. Masturbation was a disease and now it isn't - homosexuality was a disease and now it's not...

tightsocks · Jul 26, 2011, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Addiction is a disease just like OCD, depression

Those are not diseases either.

OreoCookie · Jul 26, 2011, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by tightsocks

Those are not diseases either.

By any chance, are you a scientologist or affiliated to Christian Science?

tightsocks · Jul 26, 2011, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

By any chance, are you a scientologist or affiliated to Christian Science?

No to both.

Waragainstsleep · Jul 26, 2011, 04:59 AM

Semantics.

Disease, disorder blah blah.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 26, 2011, 06:22 AM

Suggested reading:

Disease theory of alcoholism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shaddim · Jul 26, 2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

By any chance, are you a scientologist or affiliated to Christian Science?

Might be Jehovah's Witness, many of them are like that too.

The Final Dakar · Jul 26, 2011, 09:48 AM

Well, this is rollicking.

tightsocks · Jul 26, 2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Shaddim

Might be Jehovah's Witness, many of them are like that too.

I'm basically agnostic.

Waragainstsleep · Jul 26, 2011, 10:21 AM

To many JWs, addiction is a valuable recruitment aid. Probably true of plenty of other religions too.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 26, 2011, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep

To many JWs, addiction is a valuable recruitment aid. Probably true of plenty of other religions too.

Scientology have narconon, which is all about substituting addictions.

Shaddim · Jul 26, 2011, 11:32 AM

Listened to her all morning, we were in a bluesy/jazz mood. Of course, I'd known about her for years, and did like a few of her older songs, but today was the first time I really sat and absorbed all of it. My wife Sarra was always a huge fan, even since Frank, but I suppose she just never hooked me.

My thoughts on her, in large part, are different now. For her age, her talent was extraordinary, and her pain and pleasure was so near the surface, both were the same for her, of this I'm now sure. It's sad that I only came to appreciate much of her work after her passing, but that's the way it often goes. Right?

shifuimam · Jul 26, 2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by tightsocks

Those are not diseases either.

And yet for many sufferers, medication is the only light at the end of the tunnel, due to the fact that, for instance, clinical depression is ultimately caused by a physiological chemical imbalance in the brain that can't be addressed just by "thinking positive".

Have you suffered from crippling, debilitating depression for months to the point that you don't eat, barely get out of bed to go to work, cut yourself off from everyone around you, and spend hours every night researching the best way(s) to end your life so that you "aren't a problem to others anymore"?

Do the world a favor and don't marginalize or stigmatize mental disorders and addictions simply because you haven't had one and/or desperately want to believe that simple "mind over matter" will make everything better.

And, given that abrupt termination of substance use for rock-bottom addicts can, in cases like alcohol and heroin addiction, end your life (in that your body's chemistry has changed to the point that you need the substance for your basic physiological systems to even try to function), I'd say yeah, it's a disease.

tightsocks · Jul 26, 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

clinical depression is ultimately caused by a physiological chemical imbalance in the brain

This not true and there is no pathological evidence to support that claim.
If you want to take drugs that make you feel good that is cool with me. Personally, I think we should have the choice to use whatever we want to make ourselves feel good - prozac, opium, cocaine, adderall, whatever.

Do the world a favor and don't marginalize or stigmatize mental disorders and addictions .

I am not marginalizing or stigmatizing anyone by pointing out that their problems are not medical in nature. Some people who you call mentally ill choose to marginalize themselves by the way that they act - others may act that way because they have poor life skills. Those are definitely problems, but they are not diseases. There are hundreds of thousands of people in the US at any given time who are subjected to 'treatment' against their will - seems to me that is rather marginalizing and stigmatizing. I wonder how all of the tea-partiers feel about that form of government run 'health-care.'

brassplayersrock² · Jul 26, 2011, 05:27 PM

go read some more studies, and come back and apologize.

subego · Jul 26, 2011, 05:41 PM

I think he's glanced off a the shadow of a valid point along the way, but I don't think you convince people your semantic interpretation is the correct one by punching people's hot-buttons and following up with a "**** you, I'm right" attitude.

He needs to show us on the doll where the mental health industry gave him the bad touch.

freudling · Jul 26, 2011, 06:04 PM

I'm sorry but Amy did this to herself. All of us are born on planet earth and we all have a choice. You can take a group of people from 1 part of the world in the exact same environment. Some will grow up and be criminals. Others will go on to do some substantial things. Others will die at an early age from cancer, a car accident, whatever.

Life is what you make of it. Peer pressure at 27 years old is BS. You make the choice, you live with the consequences.

From what I can see, Amy was simply a self-loathing, depressed human being living in a delusional state of reality. Manic. May she RIP.

subego · Jul 26, 2011, 06:11 PM

Sort of like those people who choose to be obnoxious.

Laminar · Jul 26, 2011, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

And yet for many sufferers, medication is the only light at the end of the tunnel, due to the fact that, for instance, clinical depression is ultimately caused by a physiological chemical imbalance in the brain that can't be addressed just by "thinking positive".

Back with a vengeance!

shifuimam · Aug 2, 2011, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Laminar

Back with a vengeance!

I was hoping you had grown out of the post-wedding a-hole phase, but apparently not. You're pathetic.

ShortcutToMoncton · Aug 2, 2011, 06:32 AM

Well that seemed personal

andi*pandi · Aug 2, 2011, 09:38 AM

I thought that was a supportive kitty pic, but I could be wrong.

The Final Dakar · Aug 2, 2011, 09:40 AM

I'm sensing untold drama.

Edit: and a half digested grilled cheese sandwich.

design219 · Aug 2, 2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

I'm sensing untold drama.

Yeah, really, what's up shifuimam?

imitchellg5 · Aug 2, 2011, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²

Microsoft apologizes for Amy Winehouse tweet - latimes.com

I love that photo in the article. People giving their smokes to Amy?

Doofy · Aug 2, 2011, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

You're pathetic.

You say that like it's a bad thing?

KeyLimePi · Aug 2, 2011, 08:59 PM

Uh...yea..so, back to the topic at hand.

While I certainly have sympathy for Winehouse and her family, I have to admit I'm somewhat baffled by the sudden outpouring of support for her as an artist. It saddens me a little to admit it, but I can't help but wonder how much of her celebrity was asa result of her addiction and self-destructive behavior. Again, I mean no disrespect, but I can't help but think about all the great artists who haven't gotten nearly as much recognition simply because they lived responsibly.

Waragainstsleep · Aug 2, 2011, 09:32 PM

She was hilarious on Never Mind The Buzzcocks.

ShortcutToMoncton · Oct 26, 2011, 08:52 AM

Well, she officially drank herself to death.

subego · Oct 26, 2011, 09:11 AM

Wow. That takes work.

The Final Dakar · Oct 26, 2011, 09:12 AM

It does?

ajprice · Oct 26, 2011, 09:25 AM

BBC News - Amy Winehouse death: Coroner records misadventure verdict

The inquest heard the singer had 416mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood. The legal drink-drive limit is 80mg.

The coroner said: "She had consumed sufficient alcohol at 416mg per decilitre (of blood) and the unintended consequence of such potentially fatal levels was her sudden and unexpected death."

Toxicology tests had showed "no illegal substances" were present in her body at the time of death.

Winehouse had not had a drink in the three weeks to 22 July, the court heard.

subego · Oct 26, 2011, 09:29 AM

So, her blood was basically 80 proof.

Spheric Harlot · 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by subego

So, her blood was basically 80 proof.

You're off by several orders of magnitude.

Alcohol has a density of 0.8 g / mL.

100 proof is about 57% content by volume?

So 416 mg / 100 mL = 0.4 g / 100 mL = about 0.5 mL / 100 mL = a little less than 1 proof.

She was certainly on fire, but not nearly flammable.

The Final Dakar · Oct 26, 2011, 10:07 AM

So, what's her BAC for us Umericans

subego · Oct 26, 2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

She was certainly on fire, but not nearly flammable.

Amateur.

Spheric Harlot · Oct 26, 2011, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

So, what's her BAC for us Umericans

.416 g = ca. 0.5 mL alcohol (since 0.8g = 1 mL)

So 0.5mL/100mL is roughly a BAC of 0.5!?

Unless I've miscalculated somewhere, she had a dose intus that could be considered lethal for most mere mortals.

Chongo · Oct 26, 2011, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

You're off by several orders of magnitude.

Alcohol has a density of 0.8 g / 100 mL.

100 proof is about 57% content by volume?

So 416 mg / 100 mL = 0.4 g / 100 mL = about 0.5 mL / 100 mL = a little less than 1 proof.

She was certainly on fire, but not nearly flammable.

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

So, what's her BAC for us Umericans

Alcohol by Volume Calculator

SH is dead on with his figures.

On a side note, Nugent's "Death by Misadventure" is about Brian Jones. His, as was bruce Lee's, COD is listed as misadventure. Now we can list Amy Winehouse.

brassplayersrock² · Oct 29, 2011, 10:19 PM

Misadventure for bruce lee? He died from an allergic reaction to a headache pill.