[Jens Peter]

I havent updated yet - nok quite sure if I like the new look... I defently don't like, that they have moved the volume-slider from below the play, back and forward buttons...

But the minimized player looks nice

Originally Posted by legacyb4

Agreed, especially when sliders in other parts of the system drag live; now I have to think and try to remember if iTunes 4.x was dragging live or not?

It is the same in 4.9....

[Bi@tch]

Maybe this is what it should have looked like:



I wish I could make the lines between the sections lighter also.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Xiaopangzi

I wish that "Composers" and possibly "Description" and "Comments" were also options for Search rather than letting All try to cover those. When you have a library as big as mine and are searching for music by the same composer but different artists, Composer would be helpful as a search filter option.

If you filter by "Music"

then "Composers" becomes a search option to the right.

[lavar78]

Originally Posted by Bi@tch

Maybe this is what it should have looked like:

http://homepage.mac.com/tristan.stcy...esthewhite.jpg

I wish I could make the lines between the sections lighter also.

The Doors Tribute Album is not an artist.

[kpne1home]

I like how it has both time remaining and time elapsed on the left and right.

[JHromadka]

I like it. Corners are a little squarish, but it looks great otherwise.

[Bi@tch]

Originally Posted by lavar78

The Doors Tribute Album is not an artist.

you're right. I need to clean up my library.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Why is everyone sure this is a preview of 10.5?

[JLL]

Because Apple usually introduces new designs in a few apps before broadening the use. I certainly expect the rest of the iLife suite to look like iTunes 5 when a new version is released in January.

[Alfonso]

I like it.

[joltguy]

The new look is awesome! I'm a little surprised they didn't do a new icon to go with it though.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally Posted by Scandalous Ion Cannon

Why is everyone sure this is a preview of 10.5?

Too me, it's a preview of "Let's Introduce Yet Another Window Theme to An Already Overcrowded and Inconsistent GUI".

Prove me wrong, Apple. Prove me wrong.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally Posted by JLL

Because Apple usually introduces new designs in a few apps before broadening the use. I certainly expect the rest of the iLife suite to look like iTunes 5 when a new version is released in January.

The big problem at Apple is that small teams of developers are working on different projects/apps. And apparently these teams are locked up in underground vaults and contact with the outside world and other project teams is forbidden.

Unsurprisingly, Leopard will probably have a few apps with this new unified-platinum look, as well as brushed-metal apps, with a few Aqua apps mixed with the new plastic-unified look of Mail/Preferences/Spotlight.

When Steve showed the team responsible for compiling OS X for Intel at the keynote, he had a Google Map-ish aerial view of the Apple Campus and had a crosshair pin-pointing where the team is located over a certain building. What he didn't tell you is that this team is actually 2 miles underneath the campus.

[Lateralus]

Disgusting.

iTunes 5 sticks out more from the rest of OS X than a strobe light sticks out in a dark room.

[Tesseract]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Disgusting.

iTunes 5 sticks out more from the rest of OS X than a strobe light sticks out in a dark room.

Agreed.

I don't mind the new look by itself (although the 'screen' would be more legible if it weren't shiny). The problem is the increasing inconsistency between apps. We now have 'plain' Aqua, brushed metal, 'plastic' (the Mail 2 unified toolbar look), the new Pro app look, the old Final Cut look, GarageBand's wood grain, the 'caution tape' title bar of iSync error messages (not sure if this is still around), and now the new iTunes. We have plastic toolbar icons like Safari, icons like Xcode, and pills like Mail 2. List rows can be highlighted in flat blue (the iTunes song pane), shiny blue (the Finder sidebar), or blue-grey (the Mail 2 mailbox list). There are grey plastic widgets (the Party Shuffle controls), squared off ones (+/- buttons under lists, the Mail.app account selector), standard Aqua controls, and the weird spun aluminum camera selector thingy in iMovie.

While to some extent it's good that apps can appear different depending on what is most suitable for that app, Apple has really gone overboard lately. This is both ugly and confusing. There are plenty of good options to choose from, Apple - just pick one and stick to it!

[addiecool]

I Love the new look. Just Awesome...... Now when I look at the old version I feel like "Eeeks...."

[bigpoppa206]

I love how in iTunes 5 if you have a song longer than 9:59 the display cannot show the time. At least that's what I see in Windows.

[TETENAL]

Works fine for me (Mac).

[OreoCookie]

I like the new look very much. Let's hope it's a sign for things to come.

Did you notice, by the way, there is a function in the menu to find duplicates?!!

[Randman]

Find duplicates has been in iTunes for some time now. Even in Panther.

I like the look and love the new bars and being able to have nested folders.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Randman

Find duplicates has been in iTunes for some time now. Even in Panther.

I like the look and love the new bars and being able to have nested folders.

Ooookay, maybe I should have made that post in the other thread: Features you discovered as last person on earth

I love the new look. I'm not sure why they use a different shade of gray compared to Tiger's Mail??

[maCCer]

Are you serious about the 2 miles underneath stuff?
thx

[monkeybrain]

I notice the blue bar in Party shuffle still looks like it's from Puma or something. Very blurred and with that terrible drop shadow. How could they miss this? It's just like the scrollbars that have never been changed and look cruder than other Aqua controls. I just wish that if they're change things, they should change them properly and not leave these relics lying around.

[insha]

Originally Posted by kilechki

I find this to be soooo ugly.... Dashboard-style out of the zoo.
The mini player is really a piece of monstruosity. It seems incredibly out of place with the rest of the system.
Is there still anyone in charge of design consistency at apple? It doesn't look like so... It is all the more terrifying that iTunes first introduced brushed metal, later to be used system wide. Poor Finder is gonna be even dirtier...

My main grief, however, is that iTunes seems to have become very slow. Scrolling through my library is jerky, as is the opening of most controls. And still the same visual effects after 5 years... Come on Apple! This is supposed to be your flagship app!

My experience with itunes 5 is totally different. iTunes 5 on my Mac mini 1.42 (512MB RAM) is much faster than iTunes 4.

[insha]

Originally Posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn

Jesus christ, add that to the list. A slider is supposed to drag live, not translucent like that.

That's because iTunes is not built using Cocoa, it is still using Carbon.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by insha

That's because iTunes is not built using Cocoa, it is still using Carbon.

You are clueless.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

You are clueless.

But there's truth to what he says...only using ancient Carbon calls could you achieve this OS 9 type behavior.

[insha]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

You are clueless.

Maybe I should have clarified. iTunes is not 100% Cocoa.

Do you have a better reason, that you care to follow it up with proof?

[OreoCookie]

AFAIK iTunes contains no Cocoa.

If you take a closer look, you will discover, it still uses ancient-style .rsrc files. The thing is, all of Apple's cross-platform apps are done in this way, because there are tools which `ports' them pretty much automatically to Windows. iView Multimedia uses the same strategy.

So if it contained Cocoa, it would make it much harder to port it. If there is any Cocoa code, then I guess they'd use it only for Mac-only features (e. g. the new search which is a lot lot faster than iTunes 4.9 search).

[TETENAL]

Carbon can do live-tracking controls just fine. Even classic Mac OS can do it.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Let's hope it's a sign for things to come.

This thread seems to be broke down the middle between people who love the new look and people who hate the new look. A collective 'Let's' really isn't in order.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by maCCer

Are you serious about the 2 miles underneath stuff?
thx

No, I don't think he is. If anything, it's urban myth. I could believe Apple has some basement areas, but 2 miles underground? Just seems stupid to me. The Apple campus is actually pretty big. Many of the buildings surrounding Apple campus are also owned by Apple and are used for offices for engineers.

[P]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Carbon can do live-tracking controls just fine. Even classic Mac OS can do it.

Yes. The volume slider is live-tracking, that's a good example right there. There is some interface logic at work here: The volume slider changes while you're still dragging it - the volume goes up or down before you let go of the mouse. The effect is live, so the slider should be. The sliders in the option window aren't, so you could argue that ghost sliders is the way to work. Try it in some other programs - Apple actually seems to be following this convention in most of its programs.

The better question to ask is why iTunes sliders don't work live. That they are in the Option window is no excuse - try dragging some in iPhoto, or System Preferences, or Finder for that matter. No, the issue is that the entire Option window is modal. That's an old OS 9 leftover - Appleworks and the Office programs also do it. Finder, the other iApps, Mail and the other included apps don't have modal windows, and neither does newly written apps, be they Carbon or Cocoa - an advantage over Windows, in my book, which has all too many modal windows.

[just a poster]

Originally Posted by Kenneth

I like it..

itunes5.png
(1008x708 pixels)

I like it. Then again, I miss platinum.

[Salty]

I like the new look, don't know if I'd want it for all my apps.. wouldn't mind something being done with Safari... and the Finder... we'll see what iLife 06 and iWork 06 look like

Oh and did anyone notice the new keynote transitions jobs was using?

[smithken31100]

Originally Posted by porieux

Looks pretty much the same to me...

I agree, I don't see any difference between 4.9 and 5.0, am I blind?

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Lateralus

This thread seems to be broke down the middle between people who love the new look and people who hate the new look. A collective 'Let's' really isn't in order.

Ok, I stand corrected. Although I think the majority of us clearly wants Apple to finally merge its several different GUI themes … and it looks like they're doing it.

IMHO I don't like Mail's new buttons at all, but I guess they'll fix it. But it looks like iTunes and Mail are the testbed for new designs (and in case of Mail, also for Cocoa).

[CaptainHaddock]

On the topic of iTunes 5's ugly corners, here's the bug report I filed. Looks like I wasn't the first one.

[rozwado1]

I like it better inverted (ctrl+opt++8)

[Geobunny]

Originally Posted by rozwado1

I like it better inverted (ctrl+opt++8)

Cool, IMHO it looks so much better in black. BTW, great song you got playing there; definitely my favourite Jack Johnson song.

Also, P, you could be onto something with the live sliders. Still in iTunes, the sliders in the graphic equaliser are live and the audio updates in (slightly delayed) real time.

[Gamoe]

I find the new look less pleasing as well.

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Hmm, black is sorta interesting because that is what most stereo systems are.

[Geobunny]

I just noticed something just now and would appreciate if someone could check in iTunes 4.9 please. I was trying to rename a playlist, and using the regular Mac way, I selected it and hit return. Lo and behold, the play list started playing! Since when was the return key used to start/stop playback? For as long as I can remember, in the Finder, the return key has been used to initiate a name change on the selected file/folder. Why is this now different in iTunes? Please tell me it's not in order to pander to the windoze way of thinking that the return key on the desktop means "open".

[Edit: Weird. The page-break key on the bottom right of the keyboard now initiates a rename operation in iTunes. Has it always been like this? ]

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by Geobunny

I just noticed something just now and would appreciate if someone could check in iTunes 4.9 please. I was trying to rename a playlist, and using the regular Mac way, I selected it and hit return. Lo and behold, the play list started playing! Since when was the return key used to start/stop playback? For as long as I can remember, in the Finder, the return key has been used to initiate a name change on the selected file/folder. Why is this now different in iTunes? Please tell me it's not in order to pander to the windoze way of thinking that the return key on the desktop means "open".

[Edit: Weird. The page-break key on the bottom right of the keyboard now initiates a rename operation in iTunes. Has it always been like this? ]

I wouldn't know, but if you press Enter (next to the keypad, not return) you go into name-mode as usual.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by rozwado1

ctrl+opt++8

The key is called ⌘ "command" key, not  "Apple" key.

[Geobunny]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The key is called ⌘ "command" key, not  "Apple" key.

...But to PC converts it is the apple key. We've got a new guy in the office who hails from the dark side and any time I refer to it as the command key, an odd vacant look comes across his face!

[Jens Peter]

Originally Posted by Geobunny

I just noticed something just now and would appreciate if someone could check in iTunes 4.9 please. I was trying to rename a playlist, and using the regular Mac way, I selected it and hit return. Lo and behold, the play list started playing! Since when was the return key used to start/stop playback? For as long as I can remember, in the Finder, the return key has been used to initiate a name change on the selected file/folder. Why is this now different in iTunes? Please tell me it's not in order to pander to the windoze way of thinking that the return key on the desktop means "open".

[Edit: Weird. The page-break key on the bottom right of the keyboard now initiates a rename operation in iTunes. Has it always been like this? ]

Yep, it works like that in 4.9 as well...

[Gamoe]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The key is called ⌘ "command" key, not  "Apple" key.

Actually, it's an open-apple key, if you go by the Apple II terminology. I was disappointed when Apple introduced the function key in PowerBooks, instead of using a great opportunity to have the closed-apple key make a comeback (alternatively the key could have sported both the closed apple and the function symbol, as the "command" key sports dual symbols). But, oh well...

[euphras]

Originally Posted by legacyb4

Agreed, especially when sliders in other parts of the system drag live; now I have to think and try to remember if iTunes 4.x was dragging live or not?

Checked it, no live dragging in 4.x. Same fade out ghost button next to the "real" button. I think it´s kinda version overlapping bug. If you move the cursor any further the index lines vanish.

[P]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Morales

Actually, it's an open-apple key, if you go by the Apple II terminology. I was disappointed when Apple introduced the function key in PowerBooks, instead of using a great opportunity to have the closed-apple key make a comeback (alternatively the key could have sported both the closed apple and the function symbol, as the "command" key sports dual symbols). But, oh well...

Yes, because that wouldn't have been confusing AT ALL.

There is a story on this at Folklore:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py...rch=campground

He's wrong about the symbol, it means "site of historical signifigance" (it's supposed to look like a castle with four towers) but the rest is OK. Note that the Apple logo on the key was a later addition - I think the SE was the first Mac to have it.