[Skypat]

Hi everyone,

I have decided to sell my dual G4 867 to buy a dual G5 but I'll wait until Tiger is pre-installed

My question is ... by then, what do you think the entry level G5 will be like ? Dual 2,3Ghz ?

I would say dual 2,3Ghz / dual 2,5 Ghz / dual 2,7 Ghz

What do you think ?

Thanks

[OldCodger73]

G5 Single 2.0, Dual 2.0, Dual 2.2 and dual 2.5.

[Lateralus]

I'll say Dual 2.0, Dual 2.3 and Dual 2.7. With the lower end model again being crippled by having either fewer RAM slots and/or standard PCI slots.

[Eug Wanker]

Single 2.2
Dual 2.2
Dual 2.5
Dual 3.0

[Leonard]

I'll put my bet is on:

Single 2.2
Dual 2.2
Dual 2.5
Dual 2.8

Announced end of March and shipping right away except for Dual 2.8 which will ship end of April.

[BZ]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Single 2.2
Dual 2.2
Dual 2.5
Dual 3.0

You seem pretty sure? Date? (you know I am just chomping at the bit from .ars)

BZ

[Catfish_Man]

I think 3.0 should be possible. IBM's improved SSOI process should be rolling out soon, and they claim a 24% speed boost at the same power levels.

[sworthy]

Apple has to put a dual 3.0 in the offering -- it would be really embarrassing if they can't hit almost a year later.

[Garage81]

by June 1st, when Tiger ships (crosses fingers) I am going to have a little over $2100 in my Mac savings account (i figure i set aside 100 bucks a week)

right now with that, I can get the bottom line dual processor model, with a graphics upgrade, the BT + wireless kbd and mouse, and have some money left over for another gig of RAM.

do you all anticipate a price change also? if the prices / discounts stay the same, then I'm still happy. by the general consensus so far, it seems my 2100 bucks will translate into a dual 2.2 G5 at the beginning of June.

*crosses fingers*

[Todd Madson]

You just know that every guess will be wrong.

Or will it?

[Leonard]

Originally posted by Todd Madson:
You just know that every guess will be wrong.

Or will it?

If you guess enough different configs, eventually you'll get it right!

[Rev-O]

Originally posted by sworthy:
Apple has to put a dual 3.0 in the offering -- it would be really embarrassing if they can't hit almost a year later.

It would be massive egg on Stevie's face not to have a firm delivery date for dual 3's this June. That being said, I have a hunch that we are all going to be disappointed.
single 2
dual 2.2 or 2.3
dual 2.5
dual 2.8

[MORT A POTTY]

Single 2.3
Dual 2.3
Dual 2.5
Dual 3.0


sounds good to me

[Skypat]

I doubt they will have dual 3Ghz before the summer. If they ship new G5 this spring, they should have a dual 2.3 Ghz since they use it already in Xserves ... so I would say single 2Ghz, dual 2.3; dual 2.5 and dual 2.7 or 2.8Ghz in limited quantities ...

[Tin-Cup]

its been ages since they released the 2.5 they really should have single 2.0, 2.3. 2.5 and 3.0

[eddiecatflap]

maybe they'll skip g5 and use the cell (g6 ? )

[Rampant Desire]

Originally posted by eddiecatflap:
maybe they'll skip g5 and use the cell (g6 ? )

That seems very unlikely to me. It's too new. Perhaps next year.
I'm holding my breath for dual-core G5's. Think of the money that could be saved in manufacturing! It only makes sense that we would see the benefit of the possible savings.

Single-processor dual-core @ 2Ghz x2 for midrange. Dual-processor dual-core 2Ghz x2 for high-end. Mmmm... 8 Ghz!

-RD

[MORT A POTTY]

no way in one year they won't have made substantial gains in performance. 3.0Ghz is almost required.

[Olorin]

single 2Ghz
Dual 2Ghz
Dual 2.3Ghz
Dual 2.8Ghz

[Coug-it]

... and still only 256 Mb of ram on the base system...

[swichd]

Originally posted by Coug-it:
... and still only 256 Mb of ram on the base system...

I'm betting on 512 MB standard, like the new PowerBooks. Selling any computer with 256 MB is a cruel thing to do to any computer user.

[Burke]

Originally posted by Garage81:
by June 1st, when Tiger ships (crosses fingers) I am going to have a little over $2100 in my Mac savings account (i figure i set aside 100 bucks a week)

right now with that, I can get the bottom line dual processor model, with a graphics upgrade, the BT + wireless kbd and mouse, and have some money left over for another gig of RAM.

do you all anticipate a price change also? if the prices / discounts stay the same, then I'm still happy. by the general consensus so far, it seems my 2100 bucks will translate into a dual 2.2 G5 at the beginning of June.

*crosses fingers*

Good for you, you're doing it right.

My Mac savings account is called "MasterCard."

[Olorin]

Originally posted by Burke:
Good for you, you're doing it right.

My Mac savings account is called "MasterCard."

The Apple Mastercard? Is it cool looking i may get one just to say i have an apple mastercard haha

[Link]

Dual something
Dual something else
Dual something else that runs even hotter

[Eriamjh]

NO more G5 upgrades. Apple is sticking with what it has forever.

[zubro]

G5 is in low range machines now (iMac)
G5 is stucked to 2.5 for very (too) long now.
No G5 in PB.
Such a quite dead silence from Apple makes me think that we have a chance to see Cell PM sooner than we think.
IBM has it in production for SONY, why the hell would Apple go without it!?!

[Garage81]

cell would be cool, but i will gladly shell out my $2100 hard-saved cash for a dual G5. they are still damn fast

[Garage81]

Originally posted by Burke:
Good for you, you're doing it right.

My Mac savings account is called "MasterCard."

haha. i sold my PC and got the ibook, thinking it would satisfy all my needs.

hhaaha, WRONG.

i was thinking about buying a Mini, but I'd rather spend the extra bucks on powermac. it just happens to work out well in my favor, that if i save 100 bucks a week, then I will have the exact amount I need to buy a new powermac when Tiger is *supposed* to come out.

Fate, its a beautiful thing.

[MORT A POTTY]

Originally posted by zubro:
G5 is in low range machines now (iMac)
G5 is stucked to 2.5 for very (too) long now.
No G5 in PB.
Such a quite dead silence from Apple makes me think that we have a chance to see Cell PM sooner than we think.
IBM has it in production for SONY, why the hell would Apple go without it!?!

some of you people are just crazy crazy folks.

[zubro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:

Originally posted by zubro:
G5 is in low range machines now (iMac)
G5 is stucked to 2.5 for very (too) long now.
No G5 in PB.
Such a quite dead silence from Apple makes me think that we have a chance to see Cell PM sooner than we think.
IBM has it in production for SONY, why the hell would Apple go without it!?! [/QUOTE

some of you people are just crazy crazy folks.

Yes!
As some would sign:
"I do not suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"

[TiDual]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:

Originally posted by zubro:
G5 is in low range machines now (iMac)
G5 is stucked to 2.5 for very (too) long now.
No G5 in PB.
Such a quite dead silence from Apple makes me think that we have a chance to see Cell PM sooner than we think.
IBM has it in production for SONY, why the hell would Apple go without it!?! [/QUOTE

some of you people are just crazy crazy folks.

I'd love to see faster macs, but just ordered two dual 2.5s for my lab. I wouldn't expect miracles soon: they can barely get enough 2.5s to fill demand in Europe (officially 3-5 days, but 2-4 weeks is more accurate).

But to say they *have* to have 3.0 is silly. If they don't exist, they *can't* ... however nice it would be.

Further, these are the fastest machines on the market for the money: a Dual Pentium will set you back much more. Thus it's a little silly to say they're past their "sell-by" date ... the competition just can't match these yet. There's no real pressure there.

[Skypat]

What is Cell exactly ?

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Skypat:
What is Cell exactly ?

Cell

Also check my sig for my uneducated layperson's take on Cell.

Basically, it's a chip which includes 8 vector cores (which are not compatible with Altivec) and 1 PowerPC core.

The whole chip is interesting, but the PowerPC core is interesting for Mac geeks because it's not a G4 or a G5 but will run standard PowerPC code including Altivec'd stuff, and it's extremely highly clocked at up to 4+ GHz. It does much less per clock than say a G5, but its high speed and simultaneous multithreading support makes up for it. Plus, it's relatively low power.

BTW, I'm not sure you could call the PowerPC core a "G6" either, because it's in some ways both less advanced and more advanced than the G5.

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by TiDual:

Further, these are the fastest machines on the market for the money: a Dual Pentium will set you back much more. Thus it's a little silly to say they're past their "sell-by" date ... the competition just can't match these yet. There's no real pressure there.

Dual opteron box should do pretty nicely in price/perf vs. a G5 or a Xeon.

[ChrisB]

Getting back to that ram thing...man I hope they get their act together and offer 512 as base - then 768 or 1GB as the next step up. I would hope they would offer a standard (upper model) 1GB config as well.

[zubro]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Cell

Also check my sig for my uneducated layperson's take on Cell.

Basically, it's a chip which includes 8 vector cores (which are not compatible with Altivec)

That is NOT what is said there:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?threadid=244781

[Skypat]

I think Apple will be more interested by the power 5 chip from IBM. The G5 is adapted from the Power 4 ... so the G6 will certainely be a adapted Power 5.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by zubro:
That is NOT what is said there:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?threadid=244781

I don't know what you're talking about.

The 8 SPEs are NOT VMX/Altivec compatible. The PowerPC core is VMX compatible however, which I already said in my previous post here:

Basically, it's a chip which includes 8 vector cores (which are not compatible with Altivec) and 1 PowerPC core.

The whole chip is interesting, but the PowerPC core is interesting for Mac geeks because it's not a G4 or a G5 but will run standard PowerPC code including Altivec'd stuff

And that's exactly what is said in your thread.

---

Originally posted by Skypat:
I think Apple will be more interested by the power 5 chip from IBM. The G5 is adapted from the Power 4 ... so the G6 will certainely be a adapted Power 5.

The point is now Apple has several potential options. One huge win for Cell's PowerPC core is that it is relatively low power. The POWER5 core is not low power.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man:
Dual opteron box should do pretty nicely in price/perf vs. a G5 or a Xeon.

Umm, not really.

Actually when it comes to CPU power, these benchmarks show how a dual G5 2.5GHz consistently smokes a dual 2.0GHz Opteron box. Now that Opteron box would have to be much cheaper than the G5 to make up for the performance deficit but judging by my experience with Opteron servers, that's not really the case.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Simon:
Actually when it comes to CPU power, these benchmarks show how a dual G5 2.5GHz consistently smokes a dual 2.0GHz Opteron box. Now that Opteron box would have to be much cheaper than the G5 to make up for the performance deficit but judging by my experience with Opteron servers, that's not really the case.

Yeah, but the Opterons are now up to 2.6 GHz, and that test you showed was with DDR333 on the Opteron box, not DDR400.

Dual Opteron desktops at 2.2 GHz are moderately priced, and a dual 2.4 would be faster than a dual G5 2.5 on average. I'd prefer the dual G5 2.5 though.

[Garage81]

well, im on the waiting game for the revisions. i can buy my powermac now, but its been so long since the last revision, it seems kind of silly for me to get it now.

cmon apple!

[MrForgetable]

Single 2.5
Dual 3.0
Dual 3.5
Triple 4.0
Quadruple 5.0
Quintuple 7.5
Single 9.5

[Squozen]

I'm guessing they'll be releasing dual 2.8Ghz models around WWDC, so I'll be picking one up.

Oh, and with luck they'll be using the Radeon X800 cards by then... and maybe dropped their 23" display prices to compete with Dell's new model.

[MORT A POTTY]

Originally posted by Squozen:
I'm guessing they'll be releasing dual 2.8Ghz models around WWDC, so I'll be picking one up.

Oh, and with luck they'll be using the Radeon X800 cards by then... and maybe dropped their 23" display prices to compete with Dell's new model.

since when has Apple ever lowered the price of their displays to compete with Dell?

[Lee33]

Originally posted by MORT A POTTY:
since when has Apple ever lowered the price of their displays to compete with Dell?

Yeah, really. Apple seems to live in a pricing world all their own (unfortunately).

[Appleman]

All machines Quadra's. Four 2.5 Ghz is more then Steve said when he mentioned the 3 GHz barrier

[P]

Main problem with the Cell right now is that the built-in memory controller uses a maximum of 256 MB of special Rambus XDR RAM - which is too little and too expensive. Of course you could add in a regular memory controller on the motherboard and skip the onboard controller or just use it like a very large L3 cache, but if you do that you might as well kill the speed. You could use the Cell as a co-processor for handling say graphics and sound (no regular GPU, then - the Cell is the GPU), but not for the main CPU until they put a better memory controller there. I could live with XDR RAM, even though it'll be expensive, but 256 MB...

Guesses for the speed? Single 2.0 970FX, dual 2.2 970FX, dual 2.6 970FX (watercooled) and dual 3.0 970GX (watercooled, which will be plagued by delivery issues). Same motherboard, but with a Geforce 6200 (on AGP now) as the low-end graphics board and likely more built-in spaces for HDs.

[MORT A POTTY]

P: and that right there would be too costly of an investment for something with no real purpose.

that's why Cell isn't going to get used as-is.

[hart]

I was just checking my favorite mac outlet, SmallDog, and most of the G5s are on back order which is often the First Sign of coming upgrade.

I really want to upgrade before June and it's been ages since the 2.5s came out.
I just got zapped on the ipod photo upgrades (having bought mine about three weeks ago) so I'm going to wait for this one.

[Burke]

Originally posted by hart:
I was just checking my favorite mac outlet, SmallDog, and most of the G5s are on back order which is often the First Sign of coming upgrade.

I really want to upgrade before June and it's been ages since the 2.5s came out.
I just got zapped on the ipod photo upgrades (having bought mine about three weeks ago) so I'm going to wait for this one.

I couldn't wait, trigger pulled!