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KP* · May 12, 2004, 12:43 AM

I think the real moral of this story is that whether she was pushed or not, there's no logical reason for anyone to wear high heels. Look at her friend, who was able to save her: sensible shoes. Coincidence?

Developer · May 12, 2004, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by KP*:
I think the real moral of this story is that whether she was pushed or not, there's no logical reason for anyone to wear high heels. Look at her friend, who was able to save her: sensible shoes. Coincidence?

Why do so many of you try to blame the woman? She was drunk, she is lying, she wore high heels...

sixz · May 12, 2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
Why do so many of you try to blame the woman? She was drunk, she is lying, she wore high heels... :rolleyes:

Because the guys up for a murder rap and the
pics don't make the situation out as a malicious,
murderous attempt on her life as you and the german
media are trying to do.

f1000 · 10:49 AM

Originally posted by sixz:
Not much of a murder attempt - man points, woman falls backwards.

In the first pic the girls face one way , next pic he's
moving on and they are turned again and she falls backwards -

If you really think that this man just happened to be pointing at a woman falling into a train, then you have an ulterior reason for defending him:

1. You feel ethnic or racial kinship with the fugitive.
2. You�ve been accused of assaulting a woman before.
3. You�ve been in trouble with the law.
4. You hate Germans in general.

Moreover, a real man doesn�t:

� conveniently let himself be held back in a fight, especially in public (what a drama queen).
� make up for his impotence by physically attacking women.
� walk away from a person in distress without stopping to help her (which is the most damning piece of evidence in my opinion).

I say give him 3-5 years in prison. What I can�t understand is why nobody on the platform tried to tackle the loser.

AB^2=BCxAC · May 12, 2004, 10:45 AM

I love how there are video photographs of this happening, witnesses, a police report and some people here are claiming it's probably the woman's fault.

Oh wait, I don't love it.

PS. So, I guess it's not attempted murder if I empty a box of nails off the Empire State Building to try and scare pedestrians, either. Guess I've got something to do at lunch!

f1000 · May 12, 2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
Why do so many of you try to blame the woman? She was drunk, she is lying, she wore high heels...

I've noticed this, too.

f1000 · May 12, 2004, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by hyteckit:
Why, I dont' know.

Exactly, which is why your conspiracy claim is nonsense.

The man was probably walking briskly, all in a huff. He pushes the girl, who doesn�t fall immediately, but instead stumbles as she pulls her companion with her into the side of the train. If the train had been moving slower, she might have fallen in front of it.

theolein · May 12, 2004, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by f1000:
If you really think that this man just happened to be pointing at a woman falling into a train, then you have an ulterior reason for defending him:

1. You feel ethnic or racial kinship with the fugitive.
2. You�ve been accused of assaulting a woman before.
3. You�ve been in trouble with the law.
4. You hate Germans in general.

Moreover, a real man doesn�t:

� conveniently let himself be held back in a fight, especially in public (what a drama queen).
� make up for his impotence by physically attacking women.
� walk away from a person in distress without stopping to help her (which is the most damning piece of evidence in my opinion).

I say give him 3-5 years in prison. What I can�t understand is why nobody on the platform tried to tackle the loser.

This so reminds me of men who claim that woman are asking to get raped when they have the impudence of actually walking in the streets.

Spheric Harlot · May 12, 2004, 04:31 PM

I cannot believe that people see this as a hoax.

I see these guys every day, the area is full of them, I have got in a fight with one of them (three of his friends standing behind him) once over nothing.

It is not at all difficult to believe that he simply took out his thwarted aggression on a passer-by. This happens all the time. The only difference is that this time, it happened to be in front of a train that just started moving, making it attempted murder.

And yes, trains on that platform start moving at some point, so that, too, is not difficult to believe.

Sheesh.

If you believe this was a hoax, line up over there with the moon hoaxers. Don't forget your tinfoil hat.

-s*

Zimphire · May 12, 2004, 04:49 PM

Timo · May 12, 2004, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
If you believe this was a hoax, line up over there with the moon hoaxers. Don't forget your tinfoil hat.

badidea · May 13, 2004, 06:59 AM

They got him!!

(just heard it in the radio)

edit: seems that I got that wrong the first time - they just said that they now know who he is and that they are going to arrest him asap, so they don't have him yet...but I think someone is getting nervous now!

fhoubi · May 13, 2004, 06:35 PM

Yepp, they got the soab! Seems he give himself in. BTW I just saw the accident-video on german television. Truly unbelievable... Cut his hands & balls off.

moonmonkey · May 13, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by hyteckit:
Because it could be a hoax? Happens in America too. Someone submits a video to all the new stations claiming this to be true. The new stations will report it without confirming the authentication of the video. Not everything on the news is true.

Its from the CCTV and the woman is pressing charges.

I think we can assume it happened.

Developer · Sep 15, 2004, 08:47 AM

The case is over now.

The offender has been sentenced to 30 months imprisonment in a youth prison.

xi_hyperon · Sep 15, 2004, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
The case is over now.

The offender has been sentenced to 30 months imprisonment in a youth prison.

Good news.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 15, 2004, 10:05 AM

30 months is kind of a light sentence for attempted murder - don't you think?

The nutcase will be back on the streets in no time.

xi_hyperon · Sep 15, 2004, 10:16 AM

Well, according to sixz, the guy was only pointing and it was really the woman's fault, so 30 months is more than enough.

badidea · Sep 15, 2004, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
30 months is kind of a light sentence for attempted murder - don't you think?

The nutcase will be back on the streets in no time.

I was waiting for a comment like this...

Well, it's a big difference if it's attempted murder because someone really wanted to kill and failed, or if it's attempted murder because someone's action could have killed but didn't and he wasn't actually planning to do this...

In Germany, imprisonment (do you use this word?) isn't used for punishment but for the treatment of a sick mind!
This guy didn't actually want/plan to kill and that's why the judges thought that 30 month should be enough to teach him what he was doing wrong!

Spheric Harlot · Sep 15, 2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
30 months is kind of a light sentence for attempted murder - don't you think?

The nutcase will be back on the streets in no time.

He was underage, legally.

Youth sentences are less severe, here, and punishment is generally about the lesson, not about revenge (like in the old Adam-West-starred Batman series).

-s*

Zimphire · Sep 15, 2004, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
Well, according to sixz, the guy was only pointing and it was really the woman's fault, so 30 months is more than enough.

Just one of the many many things that troll was wrong about.

Developer · Sep 15, 2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
30 months is kind of a light sentence for attempted murder - don't you think?

He was actually sentenced for attempted homicide. And between 18 and 21 one can be sentenced according to youth law depending on development. In youth law prison sentences are lower and rare because correction takes precedence over punishment.

If I understand the case correctly they came back from a tour through clubs and were drunken and frustrated by women because they couldn't land a date.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 15, 2004, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
......If I understand the case correctly they came back from a tour through clubs and were drunken and frustrated by women because they couldn't land a date.

Rest assured that scenario is unlikely to be played out again.

heh. nah, they'll never go out drinking and leave alone. nope.

But it's all good. I'm certain the youngsters will be treated for the, um, medical condition that drives their desire to kill people.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 15, 2004, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Rest assured that scenario is unlikely to be played out again.

heh. nah, they'll never go out drinking and leave alone. nope.

But it's all good. I'm certain the youngsters will be treated for the, um, medical condition that drives their desire to kill people.

Off with his head!

That'll learn 'im!

Zimphire · Sep 15, 2004, 11:46 AM

He needs a long stay in a mental institution.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 15, 2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He needs a long stay in a mental institution.

Generally, if people commit crimes because they're mentally ill, that's exactly what happens.

In this case, apparently, the judges decided that he did something stupid (taking out his frustration on someone else), and that what he needs is a while in a youth correctional facility to think about it.

IMO the right decision.

-s*

Rev-O · Sep 15, 2004, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He needs a long stay in a mental institution.

Needs a long stay in a cemetary. Weed people like him out.

No, I'm serious.

Spheric Harlot · Sep 16, 2004, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by Rev-O:
Needs a long stay in a cemetary. Weed people like him out.

No, I'm serious.

That, of course, is the ideal attitude to teach people respect for life.

mitchell_pgh · Sep 16, 2004, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
You call that freaky? The photo on CNN.com a few hours ago showed Nicholas Berg sitting down in front of 5 hooded Al-Qaeda terrorists just moments before he was beheaded. Seeing that kind of **** really hits me emotionally.

That's what the terrorists are counting on...