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Randman · Aug 31, 2004, 06:28 AM

It looks interesting, better than I thought it would, and the price and performance are attractive (no bluetooth option under BTO though). I'd like to see it in a desk setup with all of the wires hanging off it.

Your views?

Spliff · Aug 31, 2004, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
It looks interesting, better than I thought it would, and the price and performance are attractive (no bluetooth option under BTO though). I'd like to see it in a desk setup with all of the wires hanging off it.

Your views?

Still ships with a crappy video card. Apple could really help out Mac game developers if they would just put a decent, bloody video card in in the iMac.

Other than that and the low amount of RAM, they look like decent machines.

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
(no bluetooth option under BTO though).

Uhm, $ 50, works for me...

-t

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Spliff:
Still ships with a crappy video card. Apple could really help out Mac game developers if they would just put a decent, bloody video card in in the iMac.

I am SO GLAD that Apple does NOT spec its all-in-one machines with solely the game developers in mind.

Developers in general are not the main target customers for iBooks and iMacs.
Btw, game developers are mostly pros, so they should be able to afford a G5 Mac.

-t

Spliff · Aug 31, 2004, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by turtle777:
I am SO GLAD that Apple does NOT spec its all-in-one machines with solely the game developers in mind.

Developers in general are not the main target customers for iBooks and iMacs.
Btw, game developers are mostly pros, so they should be able to afford a G5 Mac.

-t

Perhaps I should've said "game companies." Apple needs to release an affordable gaming machine. The iMac should be that machine. With a better video card, iMac owners can purchase more games over a longer period of time. More sales for the developers which will be an incentive for them to bring more game titles to the Mac.

moep · Aug 31, 2004, 07:08 AM

IMHO this thing is by far the ugliest mac I've seen in a while. I'll stick with my G4 PB and get a rev b G5 PB when it's out.

Nacente · Aug 31, 2004, 07:11 AM

Noooo, go for the G5 Tower!

albook · Aug 31, 2004, 07:26 AM

What iMac? Where's my G5 PowerBook?

Seriously, I know its not gonna happen this year.
But now that iMac has got a G5 processor its about time we get a PowerBook G5 as well!

simonjames · Aug 31, 2004, 08:24 AM

this new imac is the next step to a tablet Mac - it looks like a suped up ibook minus the battery

kokkao · Aug 31, 2004, 08:44 AM

Well I think it looks just great! And the UK prices are way cheaper than I thought they would be. I'm starting saving for one.

jamesa · Aug 31, 2004, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Spliff:
Perhaps I should've said "game companies." Apple needs to release an affordable gaming machine. The iMac should be that machine. With a better video card, iMac owners can purchase more games over a longer period of time. More sales for the developers which will be an incentive for them to bring more game titles to the Mac.

I agree. Graphics card sucks hind tit.

Head to www.apple.com/feedback and let them know what you think.

I'd also have like to have seen Firewire 2 and gigabit ethernet

-- james

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Spliff:
Apple needs to release an affordable gaming machine.

WHY ?

WHY ?

WHY ?

Let those freakin' hardcore gamers get their Wintel boxes.

And for those that want to play a game now and then, an iMac is good enough...

-t

Don Pickett · Aug 31, 2004, 10:26 AM

I'm getting one. Amazing bang for the buck: G5, combo drive and 20 inch LCD for under $1,900. I would've liked 128 megs VRAM, but it's not a deal breaker.

d.fine · Aug 31, 2004, 10:28 AM

It looks nice, and is well priced, but I'll wait for the G5 PB's next year ...

365 · Aug 31, 2004, 10:39 AM

... When you consider a 20" Cinema Display is �999 in the UK, �1349 for the 20" iMac G5 is nothing short of an absolute bargain.

Parky · Aug 31, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by jamesa:
I agree. Graphics card sucks hind tit.

Head to www.apple.com/feedback and let them know what you think.

I'd also have like to have seen Firewire 2 and gigabit ethernet

-- james

And then it would have cost more, and l for one would not want to pay for things that I don't need (along with all the other average users out there)

Apple have to pick the right mix of features and price to hit the most buyers, which I think they have.

Most iMac buyers won't even know what Gigabit, Firewire or NVidia are !

Want to play games - buy a console and save money.

Ian

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Aug 31, 2004, 11:01 AM

"Worse than the Cube."?

The cube was the best thing ever!

solbo · Aug 31, 2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Parky:
And then it would have cost more, and l for one would not want to pay for things that I don't need (along with all the other average users out there)

Apple have to pick the right mix of features and price to hit the most buyers, which I think they have.

Most iMac buyers won't even know what Gigabit, Firewire or NVidia are !

Want to play games - buy a console and save money.

Ian

I don't think better cards should be in the base model, but they should definitely be a BTO option.

eddiecatflap · Aug 31, 2004, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by 365:
... When you consider a 20" Cinema Display is �999 in the UK, �1349 for the 20" iMac G5 is nothing short of an absolute bargain.

actually , having looked at the apple store , you DO have a point there

it's �1k between the base pm and top imac

that ain't peanuts !!!!

i take it ALL back , it looks like very good vfm !

tomasboudr · Aug 31, 2004, 11:48 AM

think of how sweet it will be to have bluetooth keyboard and mouse and wireless internet (since you will want an airpoirt express anyways) and the only wire is the power cable. Very cool!

eddiecatflap · Aug 31, 2004, 11:56 AM

excellent point

maybe the new imac ain't so bad after all !

365 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by eddiecatflap:
it's �1k between the base pm and top imac

that ain't peanuts !!!!

Yeah and what do you get for your �1000 ( $1792 )

an extra porcessor
a smaller hard drive 80GB ( the iMac has a 160GB )
same 256mb memory
better graphics card ( just )
8 x as opposed to 4x Superdrive
slightly more expansion
faster system bus

Prior to today, I was going to order a dual 1.8Ghz Power Macintosh with 20" Cinema display and get the family one of the new iMacs whatever they turned out to be. As of 10.30 this morning I just bought a 20" iMac with Bluetooth BTO and a 17" 1.6Ghz iMac and I have spent �145 less than I would have paid on the G5 Power Macintosh on its own. BARGAIN

Love Calm Quiet · Aug 31, 2004, 04:04 PM

I need another machine (beside our 'books) to stay at home, and this looks great!

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
"Worse than the Cube."?
The cube was the best thing ever!

Not for Apple. It was a huge loss.

We don't know if that was because or despite of the high price tag ! But you bet Apple is careful to not repeat this episode.

-t

eddiecatflap · Aug 31, 2004, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by 365:
Yeah and what do you get for your �1000 ( $1792 )

an extra porcessor
a smaller hard drive 80GB ( the iMac has a 160GB )
same 256mb memory
better graphics card ( just )
8 x as opposed to 4x Superdrive
slightly more expansion
faster system bus

Prior to today, I was going to order a dual 1.8Ghz Power Macintosh with 20" Cinema display and get the family one of the new iMacs whatever they turned out to be. As of 10.30 this morning I just bought a 20" iMac with Bluetooth BTO and a 17" 1.6Ghz iMac and I have spent �145 less than I would have paid on the G5 Power Macintosh on its own. BARGAIN

eddiecatflap · Aug 31, 2004, 04:21 PM

the pm may have an upgradeable videocard

but it's still agp 8x

until it goes pci-e

there's no real need to go pm , is there?

i'm converted

the new imac rules

correctamundo · Aug 31, 2004, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Not for Apple. It was a huge loss.

We don't know if that was because or despite of the high price tag ! But you bet Apple is careful to not repeat this episode.

-t

I don't know about the rest of the market but the price tag kept me away from the Cube. I decided on mobility and got myself a PB instead.

Now the time has come for something new and I'm sure getting myself one of these new iMacs. Since I consider computer games boring as hell I have no problem with the graphics card BUT I do understand the gamergroups problem.

Krypton · Aug 31, 2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by 365:
... When you consider a 20" Cinema Display is �999 in the UK, �1349 for the 20" iMac G5 is nothing short of an absolute bargain.

daSilVetZ · Aug 31, 2004, 06:46 PM

Beautiful. Selling my powerbook, buying an iMac. Nuff said.

arcticmac · Aug 31, 2004, 08:07 PM

sure, the center of balance is in the right place when it's not plugged in, but what about when you have a wire going into every one of those ports on the back side? Won't that make it kinda hard to adjust the angle?

Marcus Kew · Aug 31, 2004, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
WHY ?

WHY ?

WHY ?

Let those freakin' hardcore gamers get their Wintel boxes.

And for those that want to play a game now and then, an iMac is good enough...

-t

With respect, no, it isn't.
The 5200 isn't powerful enough to make the iMac a decent mid-range gaming machine. In a year or two, the requirements for games will be beyond it's capabilities.

We aren't asking for a $700 dollar card, but if the card is going to be hardwired into the machine - as I am sure it is - then it needs to be a card that is going to last for more than two years.

I'll probably still buy one, I need a new Mac. But apple may have just sold me a PC, and I'm not a hardcore gamer, I just want my games to run well.

-Marcus

Lancer409 · Sep 1, 2004, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Spliff:
Perhaps I should've said "game companies." Apple needs to release an affordable gaming machine. The iMac should be that machine. With a better video card, iMac owners can purchase more games over a longer period of time. More sales for the developers which will be an incentive for them to bring more game titles to the Mac.

people who want gaming machines will ALMOST ALWAYS go for a PC. I keep mine around for that reason. The games for apple dont seem to be ported very well .. from what i've read on this forum .. people with buffed out G5 Powermacs have issues with certain games ... games that run fine on my now ... semi midranged gaming pc...