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Waragainstsleep · Oct 13, 2011, 11:29 AM

Last I looked MMS in the UK was quite expensive. I can totally see it if its free.

subego · Oct 13, 2011, 12:51 PM

Ooooh. I didn't know they were going to get AirPrint working properly.

Eug · Oct 13, 2011, 01:11 PM

Siri says some weird things

Originally Posted by subego

Ooooh. I didn't know they were going to get AirPrint working properly.

What was wrong with it? BTW, I use a non-supported printer, with AirPrint Activator.

SierraDragon · Oct 13, 2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

I had 2.6GB free.
Wasn't enough for iTunes, which tried to sync some mysterious 45GB of Other data.

Could the mysterious 45 GB be the full music Library? I was wondering how to deal with 60 GB.

-Allen

subego · Oct 13, 2011, 01:15 PM

@Eug

You have to use a third-party app which only works for shared printers, and you have to ask?

Eug · Oct 13, 2011, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by subego

You have to use a third-party app which only works for shared printers, and you have to ask?

Yeah, it's stupid, but what did they fix? I thought AirPrint still worked the same.

subego · Oct 13, 2011, 01:26 PM

Basically, my printer works with it now. It didn't with iOS 4.

Edit: I consider "doesn't work with my printer" to be the same thing as "broken".

Eug · Oct 13, 2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by subego

Basically, my printer works with it now. It didn't with iOS 4.

Edit: I consider "doesn't work with my printer" to be the same thing as "broken".

I suspect iOS 5 represents mainly just a driver update here then, to include the expanded list of printers, which at the beginning was just some HP printers, but now includes Canon and Epson.

BTW, my printer is a Samsung, and does not have network capabilities anyway. It's connected via USB to my iMac.

turtle777 · Oct 13, 2011, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by SierraDragon

Could the mysterious 45 GB be the full music Library? I was wondering how to deal with 60 GB.

-Allen

Not really, since it wasn't shown as "Music" or "Video", but in yellow as "Other"

-t

subego · Oct 13, 2011, 01:49 PM

I had some weird "other" action going on with my update.

At several points, the entire contents of the phone were "other".

thesearcher · Oct 13, 2011, 02:07 PM

Someone was saying there was only a handful of mags available in the Canadian itunes store; there are over 200, unless they meant mags directed at Canada.

Anyway, I agree with the chorus that would like to move the Newstand app to a folder.

andi*pandi · Oct 13, 2011, 02:34 PM

I was just going to complain about that!

Waragainstsleep · Oct 13, 2011, 06:22 PM

You can move Newstand to a folder if you don't want to use it ever. Create a new folder by dragging one app onto another. The second it starts to create, drag Newstand onto it and if you are quick enough it should go into the folder. Once in the folder it will crash Springboard if you launch it.

turtle777 · Oct 13, 2011, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep

You can move Newstand to a folder if you don't want to use it ever. Create a new folder by dragging one app onto another. The second it starts to create, drag Newstand onto it and if you are quick enough it should go into the folder. Once in the folder it will crash Springboard if you launch it.

LOL, it worked. Surely a bug.

-t

Waragainstsleep · Oct 13, 2011, 06:59 PM

Yes, it is believed to be a bug. (I wouldn't have posted it if it didn't work!)

Eug · Oct 13, 2011, 07:22 PM

Does Image Capture still work for you? My iPhone doesn't show up in it anymore.

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep

You can move Newstand to a folder if you don't want to use it ever. Create a new folder by dragging one app onto another. The second it starts to create, drag Newstand onto it and if you are quick enough it should go into the folder. Once in the folder it will crash Springboard if you launch it.

Heh. That worked. And yes it crashes the iPhone hard if you try to launch it. Also, its mini-icon doesn't show up in the folder icon.

Waragainstsleep · Oct 13, 2011, 07:36 PM

Some of you may have noticed you can now use ringtones and alert tones interchangeably. About time.

Wiskedjak · Oct 13, 2011, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by thesearcher

Someone was saying there was only a handful of mags available in the Canadian itunes store; there are over 200, unless they meant mags directed at Canada.

In Newstand in my Canadian account, I only see:
Sidewalk Skateboarding
Disney FamilyFun
How It Works
Total Guitar
Harper's Bazaar UK
Good Housekeeping
Health & Fitness Magazine
Men's Fitness
NYTimes

thesearcher · Oct 13, 2011, 10:00 PM

Switch to the "Release date" pane (the button is at the top of the screen), and you should see 250 of them.

hyteckit · Oct 13, 2011, 10:58 PM

Man. You guys trying to hide newsstand? I put in on my dock and put my playboys and porn on it.

Wiskedjak · Oct 13, 2011, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by thesearcher

Switch to the "Release date" pane (the button is at the top of the screen), and you should see 250 of them.

I don't have that option

thesearcher · Oct 13, 2011, 11:23 PM

Here's a taste of what you're "missing":

Wiskedjak · Oct 13, 2011, 11:38 PM

Crochet Today! Alright, I'm in!

subego · Oct 13, 2011, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

I don't have that option

There's a Newsstand section in "Categories".

Eug · Oct 14, 2011, 12:01 AM

Is there anything worth getting that's actually free? Or is it just like almost all of the previous ones where it was free for a single issue or two, even a cut down issue, and then cost money for everything else?

besson3c · Oct 14, 2011, 02:36 AM

I think Newsstand is Apple's way of pushing news sites away from developing app store apps just for their site, and instead getting developers to either do the Newsstand thing, or else just make mobile friendly websites people can access in Safari (or both).

gradient · Oct 14, 2011, 02:57 AM

Can anybody tell me how to search for body text in the new Mail? It was much talked about in previews prior to release but I don't see it anywhere obvious. I read one messageboard entry elsewhere that surmised that it didn't make it into 5.0 afterall...

Brien · Oct 14, 2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Eug

Is there anything worth getting that's actually free? Or is it just like almost all of the previous ones where it was free for a single issue or two, even a cut down issue, and then cost money for everything else?

Not really. I have subscriptions to Wired and NatGeo though, so I really like Newsstand.

thesearcher · Oct 14, 2011, 05:00 PM

The App store app crashes an awful lot after the update.

Cold Warrior · Oct 14, 2011, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by gradient

Can anybody tell me how to search for body text in the new Mail? It was much talked about in previews prior to release but I don't see it anywhere obvious. I read one messageboard entry elsewhere that surmised that it didn't make it into 5.0 afterall...

The All option when in the Mail app. Spotlight search won't do it.

gradient · Oct 14, 2011, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior

The All option when in the Mail app. Spotlight search won't do it.

That's what I thought, too, but it doesn't work for me. It only finds the search words from To, From, and Subject.

DigitalEl · Oct 14, 2011, 11:28 PM

So with iMessage, how do I get texts to other iOS users to show up both on their iPad and their iPhone? Even when using an email address to specify a recipient (instead of a phone number), the message goes only to the iPhone. If the conversation is initiated on the iPad, the messages are directed there and don't show up on the phone.

I thought the whole point was an iMessage would hit all a user's devices. When I text someone, I don't know whether they're on the go with their phone or lounging on the couch with their iPad.

What am I missing?

subego · Oct 15, 2011, 02:19 AM

I tried a test iMessage to myself (from my iPhone) and oddly, it only came up on my iPad and not the iPhone.

Wiskedjak · Oct 15, 2011, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by subego

I tried a test iMessage to myself (from my iPhone) and oddly, it only came up on my iPad and not the iPhone.

Strange. This seems like a great way to miss messages.

freudling · Oct 15, 2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Strange. This seems like a great way to miss messages.

The best thing to do is tell people to send messages to your .me address. If you don't have one, you should get one. I also suspect your contact card is not synced properly to all devices (e.g., including your main .me addrress). In addition, make sure you're logged into your devices with the same .me login.

Wiskedjak · Oct 15, 2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

The best thing to do is tell people to send messages to your .me address. If you don't have one, you should get one. I also suspect your contact card is not synced properly to all devices (e.g., including your main .me addrress). In addition, make sure you're logged into your devices with the same .me login.

Sure. However, I was sort of expecting Apple's BBM-Killer to "just work" without needing ANY work-arounds.

Wiskedjak · Oct 15, 2011, 12:47 PM

Looks like the iPhone4-Not-S can easily handle Siri
Watch Siri "Work" On the Old iPhone 4

freudling · Oct 15, 2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Sure. However, I was sort of expecting Apple's BBM-Killer to "just work" without needing ANY work-arounds.

Um, well, it does just work for me. It's been awesome for me. The problem has been because of me. Like duplicate contact cards, not having my .me address populated in my contact entry, not being logged into my iPod with the right login (using a junk account for US purposes), etc.

Eug · Oct 15, 2011, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

The best thing to do is tell people to send messages to your .me address. If you don't have one, you should get one. I also suspect your contact card is not synced properly to all devices (e.g., including your main .me addrress). In addition, make sure you're logged into your devices with the same .me login.

Nah, I just shut off iMessaging for now. iPad be damned.

I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs.

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Looks like the iPhone4-Not-S can easily handle Siri
Watch Siri "Work" On the Old iPhone 4

He must have crammed an A5 in there.

Wiskedjak · Oct 15, 2011, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

Um, well, it does just work for me. It's been awesome for me. The problem has been because of me. Like duplicate contact cards, not having my .me address populated in my contact entry, not being logged into my iPod with the right login (using a junk account for US purposes), etc.

Wait ... you upgraded? I thought you were tossing your crummy 3.5" device and going Android?

freudling · Oct 15, 2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Nah, I just shut off iMessaging for now. iPad be damned.

I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs.

He must have crammed an A5 in there.

Reboot the iPad; logout and log back in; re-sync whilst plugged into iTunes.

Wiskedjak · Oct 15, 2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by freudling

Um, well, it does just work for me. It's been awesome for me. The problem has been because of me. Like duplicate contact cards, not having my .me address populated in my contact entry, not being logged into my iPod with the right login (using a junk account for US purposes), etc.

Any problems = not just working

Eug · Oct 15, 2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Does Image Capture still work for you? My iPhone doesn't show up in it anymore.

Hmmm... If I have the iPhone already plugged in, and launch Image Capture, then Image Capture doesn't see it.

However, if I load up Image Capture, then plug in the phone, then Image Capture sees it.

This was not an issue in 10.7.1 + iOS 4, but it is an issue in 10.7.2 and iOS 5.

subego · Oct 15, 2011, 03:03 PM

Shit That Siri Says

subego · Oct 15, 2011, 03:07 PM

SierraDragon · Oct 15, 2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Looks like the iPhone4-Not-S can easily handle Siri...

The half-strength 4-not-4s can "run" Siri which is no surprise because the older version of Siri ran on the 4-not-4s.

However note that 4s Siri is a client-(cloud)-server product, not a standalone. We do not know what the impact of adding x-tens-of-millions of v4 Siri clients on Friday would have done to the overall 4s Siri product implementation. But we can be sure it would not have been an improvement to the Siri client/cloud/server experience.

-Allen

Eug · Oct 15, 2011, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by SierraDragon

The half-strength 4-not-4s can "run" Siri which is no surprise because the older version of Siri ran on the 4-not-4s.

However note that 4s Siri is a client-(cloud)-server product, not a standalone. We do not know what the impact of adding x-tens-of-millions of v4 Siri clients on Friday would have done to the overall 4s Siri product implementation. But we can be sure it would not have been an improvement to the Siri client/cloud/server experience.

Perhaps, but your original argument was that Siri wouldn't run well on anything less than an A5, and like we suspected, that's false.

Plus, your argument would only be of any validity if Apple were to add iPhone 4 users later when the system is more established. However, I'm pretty sure Apple will never offer Siri to iPhone 4 users.

As we said before, this is not a technical issue. This is a marketing decision, to encourage new iPhone customers, and to encourage owners of older iPhones to upgrade to the 4S. This has long been a practice of Apple, and it's not surprising that it has not changed with the iPhone 4S release.

SierraDragon · 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Perhaps, but your original argument was that Siri wouldn't run well on anything less than an A5...

Correct because at the time I did not know the AI portion was run on the servers. And in the next sentence I said we would know soon, after it got hacked.

Originally Posted by Eug

Plus, your argument would only be of any validity if Apple were to add iPhone 4 users later when the system is more established. However, I'm pretty sure Apple will never offer Siri to iPhone 4 users.

Untrue. My argument about server loading is relative to now, and it is pretty obvious that Apple's servers are currently strained. Imagine if iPhone 4 users were fully in the Siri mix. IMO the server argument is solid.

On the issue of adding iP4 users later I agree, the hack seems to prove that not allowing iP4 is likely primarily a marketing decision. I say "seems to" because we will probably never know what the overhead of an iP4 on the cloud is as compared to the overhead of an iP4s. It could be (I have no info) that the iP4's half-strength on the client side loads the server side much more (or not).

Gut feeling, we know quality speech conversion is processor-intensive, so it would seem that an iP4 would take longer for every speech-related process than a 4s would, making the client-side operation slower. Slower client might make the server side use more resources than a faster client (or not).

I also agree that whatever the tech may or may not be it is unlikely that Apple will ever offer Siri to iPhone 4 users.

-Allen

Eug · 02:17 AM

This is the type of stuff I was talking about:

iMessaging confusion

This is at first confusing -- why can't I just have one central location for my Matt-messaging needs? -- but ultimately necessary if the thing is to work correctly. A message sent to Matt via iMessage won't get to his phone, and one sent via SMS won't get to his iPod Touch. You need to have two different methods of texting him, inelegant as it may be.

Too much confusion to iMessaging. By combining it with Messages, they've complexified it IMO, because it's not seamless. You have to remember a bunch of stupid configuration rules and stuff in order for it work, so arguably it's easier to just shut it off completely and just use SMS to make sure it always works, and that's what I've done. Like I said, iPad be damned.

And that still doesn't explain why people sending iMessages from their own iPhone to their own iPhone don't get it. A friend of mine has this exact issue. He tried to convince me that because he never receives iMessages from his own iPhone to his own iPhone number, it probably was intentional on Apple's part and that's the way it's supposed to work. (Maybe he thought Apple was trying to reduce redundancy?) So I tried sending an iMessage from my iPhone to my iPhone number and I get it just fine. Same procedure, but totally different results for the two of us.

Spheric Harlot · Oct 16, 2011, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Eug

Perhaps, but your original argument was that Siri wouldn't run well on anything less than an A5, and like we suspected, that's false.

Is it? I haven't seen any evidence of Siri running "well" on anything less than an A5.

I've seen one video where it'd been hacked to run on a 4, but that was horribly jerky, and no voice recognition/interpretation functionality at all was demoed.

Do you have a link to a real demo?