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air · Mar 15, 2007, 11:28 PM

For any speakers/writers, how do you write "Think Different."

I took some Japanese, but I really didn't get that far...

Any help would be most appreciated!

brassplayersrock² · Mar 15, 2007, 11:39 PM

別を考えなさい

Free Online Translator

alex

rickey939 · Mar 16, 2007, 12:13 AM

brassplayersrock² · Mar 16, 2007, 12:16 AM

thanks for the confirmation rickey

alex

Strupat · Mar 16, 2007, 12:17 AM

Do you want the grammatical error to translate as well? To be grammatically correct, it is 'Think Differently'. At least that's my understanding of English.

brassplayersrock² · Mar 16, 2007, 12:38 AM

well, the true Apple way of saying it is "Think different." not "think differently" so I'm going to assume and say yes he wants the grammy error

alex

forkies · 12:47 AM

searched around the web to see if apple had an officially translated version, but don't think there was. found several ranging from katakana transliteration, to small and equivalent translations, to a full-blown explanation. take your pick

シンク・ディファレント
発想を変える
ものの見方を変える
固定概念をなくして新たな発想でコンピュータを使う

however, these seem to focus on changing ("thinking differently") rather than considering something new ("thinking about something that's different"), so i think they don't have the same meaning/nuance as mentioned above. dunno

albarosa · Mar 16, 2007, 04:35 AM

Automated translators often give you interesting results, although they are almost always wrong. Expressions like this are especially hard to translate, as it often depends on context. My suggestion is 「ありふれた考え方はしないことに� �よう」

albarosa · Mar 16, 2007, 04:37 AM

For some reason the part of the last verb isn't displaying correctly - its supposed to be SIYOU, to anyone who was wondering what the question marks mean.

OreoCookie · Mar 16, 2007, 05:51 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that this sentence doesn't translate into Japanese?
You can translate the words, but not the idea …

forkies · Mar 16, 2007, 06:53 AM

特殊で思考?

air · 01:03 PM

Or maybe "I think differently" would work? I know its difficult to translate one idea to another in any language and I really appreciate all of your great help. I wanted to design a classic black mac t shirt with the vintage mac logo (can't believe its changed so much over these years) and wanted something else at the bottom. I think I'm going to use the katakana.

OreoCookie · Mar 16, 2007, 01:10 PM

That's the best choice IMHO.

@forkies
It's not about the translation, but the idea. Thinking differently usually doesn't have the same positive connotation as it does in Western societies. That's why I said, I'm not sure it'll translate.

With katakana, it has a foreign `feel' (since foreign words and concepts are usually written in katakana).

albarosa · Mar 16, 2007, 02:26 PM

OreoCookie, since phrases like this don't translate well, I actually agree with you, but I thought he possibly wanted to know just so he could say it in Japanese. Saying "think different" in conversation doesn't work, but if its for a shirt (or advertisement, etc.), the katakana (or just English) is the best.

osiris · Mar 16, 2007, 02:26 PM

I think Japinglish works best, as above "Shinku Deifuarento"

Otherwise it'll be like an old Japanese Diet Coke ad, which translated to "Drink Coke. No Reason!"

Chuckit · Mar 16, 2007, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Am I the only one who thinks that this sentence doesn't translate into Japanese?
You can translate the words, but not the idea …

That's what I was going to say. Then I saw that Apple had translated it, and I was like, "Oh, OK." I guess "change your perception" is pretty close.

OreoCookie · Mar 16, 2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

That's what I was going to say. Then I saw that Apple had translated it, and I was like, "Oh, OK." I guess "change your perception" is pretty close.

That's actually a good suggestion, the Japanized version

Cadaver · Mar 17, 2007, 02:57 AM

Wow. Lots of Japanese speakers here!

Buckaroo · Mar 17, 2007, 03:21 AM

Hello World - English

こんにちは世界 - Japenese

Hoy mundo - Spanish

اليوم عالم - Arbic

Today scientist - English

OwlBoy · Mar 17, 2007, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Hello World - English

こんにちは世界 - Japenese

Hoy mundo - Spanish

اليوم عالم - Arbic

Today scientist - English

That is what happens if you use machine translation to go from one to the next? Interesting.

-Owl

Chuckit · Mar 17, 2007, 06:19 AM

How funny. The machine translator knows to translate "hello" into the Japanese "konnichiwa," but it then decides that "konnichiwa" means "today" when you translate it from Japanese to anything else.

red rocket · Mar 17, 2007, 06:25 AM

I'm a bit surprised that so many of you think that "Think different." contains a grammatical error, and that what Apple really meant was "Think differently."

There is (to me, at least) a difference in meaning between the two.

Whereas "Think differently." is a fairly straightforward instruction, "Think different." suggests a different relationship between the thought process and the difference perception.

It's like, "it's not a PC, not just another operating system, it's something completely different. Think about it."

Do people actually perceive Apple as telling people to modify their thought processes? If that's the case, I don't think it's a good thing. Imagine some PC user seeing a "Think Different." poster. He could be thinking, "WTF? I'm not gonna change the way I think in order to use some stupid alternative operating system and overpriced computer for girls!"