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Buckaroo · Oct 9, 2006, 10:06 PM

I don't watch CNN for many reasons, Ted Turner is one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPIA95SLv6g

Nicko · Oct 10, 2006, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I don't watch CNN for many reasons, Ted Turner is one of them.

YouTube - Ted Turner says media has no business showing American Flag

Ted is richer and smarter that most people. He is also right. Good for him

TETENAL · Oct 10, 2006, 06:15 AM

You don't watch CNN because its owner says the media shouldn't volunteer to do propaganda?

JoshuaZ · Oct 10, 2006, 06:37 AM

Turner makes a good point. Wars should not be covered like football games. God forbid that news sources try and stay unbiased.

RIRedinPA · Oct 10, 2006, 07:32 AM

War coverage also shouldn't have theme music, tag lines, opening graphics and a host of other things the networks do to glamorize their coverage. Ted was only half right.

voodoo · Oct 10, 2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I don't watch CNN for many reasons, Ted Turner is one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPIA95SLv6g

No, the reason is that you are dumb. Ted Turner sold CNN a long time ago to Time Warner. He's not on the board of directors of Time Warner/AOL on any level.

V

Buckaroo · Oct 10, 2006, 10:15 AM

I don't watch CNN because it's the Communist News Network.

It sucks and so does it's ratings for the past several years. It's going down the toilet.

Sourbook · Oct 10, 2006, 10:43 AM

McCarthyism in the 21st century?

Nicko · Oct 10, 2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I don't watch CNN because it's the Communist News Network.

It sucks and so does it's ratings for the past several years. It's going down the toilet.

No, YOU suck!

Nicko · Oct 10, 2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by RIRedinPA

War coverage also shouldn't have theme music, tag lines, opening graphics and a host of other things the networks do to glamorize their coverage. Ted was only half right.

Don't forget the "swoosh" sounds.

besson3c · Oct 10, 2006, 11:20 AM

I wish people wouldn't frivolously toss the "communist" label around, misusing it in the process.

Communism has a very specific meaning, I don't think this is the word you meant here. For starters, CNN is not a form of government. Perhaps "propoganda" is what you had in mind?

Chuckit · Oct 10, 2006, 11:21 AM

So…you don't watch CNN because Ted Turner says news should not be biased or sensationalistic. Yes, I can see how you have a valid grievance there.

ironknee · Oct 10, 2006, 11:23 AM

i think he's right

Dakar · Oct 10, 2006, 11:25 AM

I don't watch CNN since I was trapped in the Situation Room.

marden · Oct 10, 2006, 11:46 AM

YouTube - Ted Turner says he can't pick sides in War on Terror

Here, Ted says he can't figure out which side is wrong and which side is right in the War on Terror. He needs to study up on it.

I think he's been culturally habituated to playing the role of the defeated Southern Civil War rebel with a chip on his shoulder and actively or attitudinally opposing the established order. I think it's a role he relishes playing and it may have served him well all his life and he's not going to change now, even if he could.

This may give him a sense of personal charm unlike many others, it may power his business decisions and it may allow him to be seen as a neutral alternative to the rah rah US media (a useful attitude when dealing with those who don't wish America well).

But if this billionaire international media modul needed to study up on which side of the terror issue he was on, he has had some time to figure it out and can anyone guess what his position is now?

OreoCookie · Oct 10, 2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Here, Ted says he can't figure out which side is wrong and which side is right in the War on Terror. He needs to study up on it.

No, he said, he hasn't had enough time whether to go to war or not, but not what side he was on.

ShortcutToMoncton · Oct 10, 2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by marden

YouTube - Ted Turner says he can't pick sides in War on Terror

Here, Ted says he can't figure out which side is wrong and which side is right in the War on Terror. He needs to study up on it.

What? How's your comprehension skills lately, abe? Don't try to turn this into one of your "liberal people support terrorism, what's wrong with America today" arguments. And don't go putting words in other peoples' mouths.

I'll repeat what Oreo said, for good measure.

greg

MinM · Oct 10, 2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Communism has a very specific meaning, I don't think this is the word you meant here. For starters, CNN is not a form of government.

Neither is communism.

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 01:02 PM

I agree with him. All that extra presentational crap is unnecessary.

Dakar · Oct 10, 2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

I agree with him. All that extra presentational crap is unnecessary.

All that glitters in not golden.

natural1 · Oct 10, 2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by MinM

Neither is communism.

Are you thinking about socialism? Communism is a form of government, but socialism is an economic contruct (with political overtones, of course).

Nicko · Oct 10, 2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I don't watch CNN since I was trapped in the Situation Room.

The situation room gives me seizures.

MinM · Oct 10, 2006, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by natural1

Are you thinking about socialism?

No.

Communism is a form of government...

No, it isn't.

...but socialism is an economic contruct (with political overtones, of course).

As is communism.

The two governments most commonly associated with communism - the Soviet Union and Mao's China - were totalitarian (type of government) and communist (type of economy).

Moderator · Oct 10, 2006, 11:27 PM

You can only exploit 911 for so long..its old...youve lost. I live in nyc btw...you don't. shut up.

Chuckit · Oct 11, 2006, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by MinM

The two governments most commonly associated with communism - the Soviet Union and Mao's China - were totalitarian (type of government) and communist (type of economy).

Marx's philosophy applied to much more than simple economics.

Taliesin · Oct 11, 2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by marden

I think he's been culturally habituated to playing the role of the defeated Southern Civil War rebel with a chip on his shoulder and actively or attitudinally opposing the established order. I think it's a role he relishes playing and it may have served him well all his life and he's not going to change now, even if he could.

Hey, don't you dare to look down on Spliffdaddy!

Taliesin

natural1 · Oct 11, 2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by MinM

No.

No, it isn't.

As is communism.

The two governments most commonly associated with communism - the Soviet Union and Mao's China - were totalitarian (type of government) and communist (type of economy).

Here are a few of many definitions - these are the most common and most accurate:

Communism -

-A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

-A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

-A form of socialism that abolishes private ownership 2: a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society.

So, basically, communism is a political expression of socialism.

The dictionary is a wonderful thing...

smacintush · Oct 11, 2006, 01:21 PM

Ted Turner is loony.

And I hate to break it to you but this IS still America, and if a network wants to spin and bias the news that is their right. If you don't like it don't watch it and kindly STFU.

If we start demanding that bias be removed from the news then we will lose CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, PBS, and EVERY SINGLE OTHER damn news source. Even AP has shown bias.

Get over it.

Chuckit · Oct 11, 2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

And I hate to break it to you but this IS still America, and if a network wants to spin and bias the news that is their right. If you don't like it don't watch it and kindly STFU.

Think of it the other way: I hate to break it to you, but this IS still America, and if people want to voice their opinions over somebody's unethical practices, that is their right. If you don't like it, don't read it and kindly STFU.

marden · Oct 11, 2006, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Taliesin

Hey, don't you dare to look down on Spliffdaddy!

Taliesin

The differences between Spliffdaddy and Ted Turner are that Ted Turner has compromised his soul in order to profit from those who want him to be more THEIR kind of guy. And he has found a niche where he can remain patriotic 'flavored,' just like many American men aren't really heterosexuals any more, they are heterosexually influenced (spelled: Metrosexual).

Spliffdaddy has all my respect because he is smart. Principled. Steadfast. And he is an American FIRST. A proud, white, Southern American, but an AMERICAN. And no amount of money will change that.

ShortcutToMoncton · Oct 11, 2006, 07:08 PM

He also doesn't like Macs, yet has posted thousands upon thousands of his oft-controversial opinions on this Mac-oriented message board. Weird, no?

I also see a clear example why you love the current President so much. He's an American FIRST, by God, and nothing will change his steadfast principles - no matter what the facts say. Sounds like good 'ol Spliffdaddy to me.

greg

Chuckit · Oct 11, 2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by marden

just like many American men aren't really heterosexuals any more, they are heterosexually influenced (spelled: Metrosexual).

How does dressing fashionably mean that you don't find women attractive anymore?

smacintush · Oct 11, 2006, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Think of it the other way: I hate to break it to you, but this IS still America, and if people want to voice their opinions over somebody's unethical practices, that is their right. If you don't like it, don't read it and kindly STFU.

There's nothing unethical about it…and your opinion is duly noted.

Chuckit · 11:49 PM

You believe that biased reporting is ethical journalism? I know a couple of authorities that would disagree with you — like all of them. Check out the Society of Professional Journalists' Code of Ethics, for example.

smacintush · Oct 12, 2006, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

You believe that biased reporting is ethical journalism? I know a couple of authorities that would disagree with you — like all of them. Check out the Society of Professional Journalists' Code of Ethics, for example.

All reporting is biased just by virtue of being reported by humans.

Political bias shows up in almost every single case. The only reason this is being discussed is that more and more success is being had by those who hold opinions that are in conflict with the majority of those in journalism. Before Rush and Fox news there was no outcry by journalists against liberal bias.

Chuckit · Oct 12, 2006, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

All reporting is biased just by virtue of being reported by humans.

That's not remotely what we're talking about and you know it.

Originally Posted by smacintush

Political bias shows up in almost every single case. The only reason this is being discussed is that more and more success is being had by those who hold opinions that are in conflict with the majority of those in journalism. Before Rush and Fox news there was no outcry by journalists against liberal bias.

And? Is this a "But he did it first!" thing?

smacintush · Oct 12, 2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

That's not remotely what we're talking about and you know it.

And? Is this a "But he did it first!" thing?

No, not at all. It's a hypocrisy thing. Ted Turner may not be CNN's owner now but he made it what it is and it was biased under him. He has a lot of gall to call another biased.

I know that CNN and PBS and ABC and NBC and CBS are all biased…that's why I stopped watching. I don't like them but they are perfectly within their rights to report what and how they want to. They are a BUSINESS and nothing more. Not a government agency, not a church. A business.

Chuckit · Oct 12, 2006, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

No, not at all. It's a hypocrisy thing. Ted Turner may not be CNN's owner now but he made it what it is and it was biased under him. He has a lot of gall to call another biased.

I'm not disputing that, but that's simply ad hominem.

Originally Posted by smacintush

I know that CNN and PBS and ABC and NBC and CBS are all biased…that's why I stopped watching. I don't like them but they are perfectly within their rights to report what and how they want to. They are a BUSINESS and nothing more. Not a government agency, not a church. A business.

And that does not excuse ethical failure. I have just as much right to be evil as any business does, but that doesn't make me above reproach.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 12, 2006, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

No, he said, he hasn't had enough time whether to go to war or not, but not what side he was on.

No, when Dubya said "you're either with us or against us" he was talking about the war on terror.

The war in Iraq came well after Dubya's quote. So, Turner could only be suggesting that he was undecided on whether he supported US interests or not.

Apparently he doesn't. So I reckon he finally decided which side he was on.

- - e r i k - - · Oct 12, 2006, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by marden

The differences between Spliffdaddy and Ted Turner are that Ted Turner has compromised his soul in order to profit from those who want him to be more THEIR kind of guy. And he has found a niche where he can remain patriotic 'flavored,' just like many American men aren't really heterosexuals any more, they are heterosexually influenced (spelled: Metrosexual).

Spliffdaddy has all my respect because he is smart. Principled. Steadfast. And he is an American FIRST. A proud, white, Southern American, but an AMERICAN. And no amount of money will change that.

The last paragraph was so gay I am beginning to suspect someone are homosexually influenced here.

Nice rim-job there Abe, I'm sure Spliff appreciated it immensely

TheWOAT · Oct 12, 2006, 01:59 AM

When I need opinions on American media and politics, I usually ask the nearest Australian.

Anyways, Ted Turner is theoretically correct, but removing US patriotism and/or sensationalism from news shows will hurt the bottom line (obvious I know, sorry). Why not just go all the way and telecast French news. (Not for their news, but for that one hot chic news read they got). As it stands there are too many news shows all vying (sp) for a limited viewership. So you got Bill OReilly and Olbermann pretending to exude the truth but they are just going after a target demographic... News has become like a Psychic Hotline: For entertainment purposes only. The only real news is when they do the emergency broadcast system. It's unbiased, to the point, and only gives critical information and sometimes suggestions for those affected by the news. If only that was a 24/7 channel.