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Jul 5, 2006, 09:08 AM
 
I just heard on CNBC business news that Apple will be releasing an $899 iMac model targeted at the education market. No specs were given though.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:14 AM
 
core solo, its not available to the general public.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:15 AM
 
160GB to 80 GB HDD.
Superdrive to Combo drive.
$400 price drop.

Complaints about how this config is only available to the education market in 5... 4... 3...
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:15 AM
 
Originally Posted by moonmonkey
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Wrong.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/jul/05imac.html
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:17 AM
 
anyone got any idea of what you CAN'T do with the new video card? damn this thing could be perfect for my girlfriend.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:23 AM
 
Originally Posted by gooser
anyone got any idea of what you CAN'T do with the new video card? damn this thing could be perfect for my girlfriend.
Oh man I missed that one. The Intel GMA integrated graphics is the same as in the Mac mini, so the answer to your question is quite a bit compared to the X1600. It's decent, just don't expect that much from it. Oh and it requires some of your system RAM to operate.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:27 AM
 
so it should be able to do anything a mini can? hmmmm....... interesting
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:30 AM
 
Cool. Unlike with the eMac, education individuals can buy the new low end iMac too. It's $949 with the 160 GB hard drive, which is still $250 lower than the $1199 for the 17" with Radeon X1600, 160 GB, and SuperDrive. I think it will be popular for the education types for institutional purchases. No SuperDrive option though in the GMA 950 iMac for education individuals.

The stupid part is that non-education people can't buy it. This machine would be perfect for a lot of low end non-education buyers, and much more appropriate than the Mac mini for many of them, especially if the low end iMac got a SuperDrive option.

BTW, for some reason I don't see it at all on the Canadian online education store.


Originally Posted by gooser
so it should be able to do anything a mini can? hmmmm....... interesting
It can't burn DVDs, which is a... errr... bummer. No Bluetooth or Apple Remote either.

At everything else though it will be as fast or faster than the Mac mini, especially since the iMac isn't saddled with a laptop hard drive, and the iMac has a higher-clocked CPU.

     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:33 AM
 
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:38 AM
 
you have to buy the remote seperatly? thats jippy
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:38 AM
 
I realize you probably know this, Eug, but it's worth pointing out that the no-BT/no-remote thing is a big plus for a huge chunk of the expected market (especially since it's only available through educational channels). A school lab admin would probably hate to have to have a closet full of remotes or to spend the time eBaying them..
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:44 AM
 
Originally Posted by slugslugslug
I realize you probably know this, Eug, but it's worth pointing out that the no-BT/no-remote thing is a big plus for a huge chunk of the expected market (especially since it's only available through educational channels). A school lab admin would probably hate to have to have a closet full of remotes or to spend the time eBaying them..
Well, if the admin didn't want them, he could just throw them out.

Anyways, I'm thinking specifically of education individuals. Remotes can be added later (assuming you want one at all) for a mere $26, but it's a pain for Bluetooth since it would require a dongle.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:46 AM
 
So are you positive that FrontRow is going to work and it will have the IR sensor for the remote? I already have a remote from my MacBook.

Edit: I guess it kinda would have to work given that the remote is a bto option.
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:47 AM
 
To me, this is more of an upgraded Mini than anything and I may have to order one.
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:53 AM
 
Originally Posted by Eug Wanker
Well, if the admin didn't want them, he could just throw them out.

Anyways, I'm thinking specifically of education individuals. Remotes can be added later (assuming you want one at all) for a mere $26, but it's a pain for Bluetooth since it would require a dongle.
Yeah, as I was typing, I realized it's harder to justify leaving Bluetooth out. Admins can always lock it down in software, and even if it were left on, it's hard to imagine lab users screwing much up with it. You just might have the machine paired with a whole bunch of phones, and really, how many people even know they can do that?
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:57 AM
 
how many kids can't do that?
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 10:41 AM
 
Schools don't need Bluetooth. This iMac is clearly designed to be a general-purpose computer lab workstation. Wired peripherals are a must, since otherwise they will "disappear". Why pay for wireless they'll never use? Just about the only thing people do use BT for is phones, and linking their phones to the computer is something kids don't need to be doing in class.

And if some school for some reason does need BT, they can order the step-up configuration or add a BT dongle later on.

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Jul 5, 2006, 11:03 AM
 
Anyone considering a Mini has to give the iMac4E some consideration. The top of the line Mini does have Superdrive and Bluetooth, which the iMac4E lacks, but in return you get:

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I personally think the iMac4E is a better value, but then again I don't use BlueTooth and I don't have a need for a Superdrive.
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Jul 5, 2006, 11:13 AM
 
This is the edu emac the rumor sites were on about then...
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Jul 5, 2006, 11:41 AM
 
Does anyone know what percentage of edu macs go into school computer labs vs. homes/apts/dorms of students? My sister is starting college and I would have recommended this but without the remote and bluetooth I won't. I understand it can't have everything (I am fine with the gma 950), but if more edu macs end up in dorms it doesn't make sense to remove BT just because the computer lab admin has no use for them.
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Jul 5, 2006, 11:52 AM
 
you could purchase the remote separately if needed...and front row is still accessible by pressing cmd-esc if wanted, and no BT is no big deal (and should be able to get added on later if one wants for a small fee). this is a great computer if somebody wanted a new intel machine but doesnt want to pay huge bucks for it, kudos to apple.
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Jul 5, 2006, 12:00 PM
 
Agreed tooki, Bluetooth is irrelevant for most labs. It's useful for the education individuals however.

Originally Posted by iREZ
you could purchase the remote separately if needed...and front row is still accessible by pressing cmd-esc if wanted, and no BT is no big deal (and should be able to get added on later if one wants for a small fee).
Well, not really. I suspect adding Bluetooth = dongle. Actually dongles work just fine. It's just that I hate dongles.

this is a great computer if somebody wanted a new intel machine but doesnt want to pay huge bucks for it, kudos to apple.
If you happen to have an education connection that is...
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 12:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug Wanker
If you happen to have an education connection that is...
I know a lot of people who order throught the EDU Store who are not students.

If Apple catches you buying from the EDU store and you are not a student, all they normally do is charge you what you saved by not buying the product in the normal fashion. Since the iMac4E is not available outside of the EDU Store, who knows what Apple would try and charge?
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Jul 5, 2006, 03:05 PM
 
Seems like a bargain compared to the $1299 iMac. It is education only because Apple doesn't want to lose sales from the mini and other iMacs.

I still hate the integrated video, though.

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Seems like a really good deal indeed.
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 07:03 PM
 
This is a nice setup. I see an upgrade for the mini coming shortly...
     
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Jul 5, 2006, 08:58 PM
 
I think these new iMacs will be available to the public by christmas. Didn't the eMac start out as a education only computer, and then went public?

I have a feeling these iMacs will do the same thing.

If they do, they will fly off the shelves.
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Jul 5, 2006, 09:54 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug Wanker
Well, if the admin didn't want them, he could just throw them out.

Anyways, I'm thinking specifically of education individuals. Remotes can be added later (assuming you want one at all) for a mere $26, but it's a pain for Bluetooth since it would require a dongle.
right, but why would apple pay to add something the know will end up in the trash?

nope, i would rather pay$30 less for the machine
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Originally Posted by SSharon
Does anyone know what percentage of edu macs go into school computer labs vs. homes/apts/dorms of students? My sister is starting college and I would have recommended this but without the remote and bluetooth I won't. I understand it can't have everything (I am fine with the gma 950), but if more edu macs end up in dorms it doesn't make sense to remove BT just because the computer lab admin has no use for them.
that makes no sense. you can and a remote for 26$ and buy the bluetooth dongle for about the some, or would you rather pay $250 more for just for $26 remote? makes no sense i tell you none.
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Originally Posted by onlykaria
right, but why would apple pay to add something the know will end up in the trash?

nope, i would rather pay$30 less for the machine
I was joking about admins throwing away the remote.

However, I'm not joking about Bluetooth for education individuals. Dongles suck. Mind you, for a low priced unit it's acceptable. The bigger downer is the lack of a SuperDrive option in this model.
     
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Originally Posted by Agent69
I know a lot of people who order throught the EDU Store who are not students.

If Apple catches you buying from the EDU store and you are not a student, all they normally do is charge you what you saved by not buying the product in the normal fashion. Since the iMac4E is not available outside of the EDU Store, who knows what Apple would try and charge?
This is indeed a great general purpose machine as Tooki mentioned earlier but what you are saying is utter BS. Apple doesn't go out of their way to try and "catch" people that are non-students. If anything, they may require proof of being a student such as your current class schedule as they do for ADC students.
If a non-student buys something from the EDU store and it gets shipped then they got away with a great deal. Apple's online EDU store believes in the honorable system and that's as far as it goes.

"IF" they require student confirmation and you can't give it they may send an email stating that you don't qualify.
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Jul 6, 2006, 03:26 AM
 
They'll pay me $899 to use a Mac with Intel integrated graphics? That's almost worth it…oh, wait, misunderstood.
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Something I just noticed about the $899 Mac when considering getting one: the iPod nano edu deal does not apply to that one. Makes it a little bit harder to justify as long as that promo's going on.
     
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Originally Posted by onlykaria
that makes no sense. you can and a remote for 26$ and buy the bluetooth dongle for about the some, or would you rather pay $250 more for just for $26 remote? makes no sense i tell you none.
I guess it's more than just that. The extra $225 gets you the the superdrive, the video card, the bluetooth, and the ram on a single chip. Another $25 for the bluetooth dongle and you're right 200 bucks may not be worth it for the other 3 items. However, since it comes with a free nano you are really only paying $25 for the superdrive and video card.
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Originally Posted by hldan
This is indeed a great general purpose machine as Tooki mentioned earlier but what you are saying is utter BS. Apple doesn't go out of their way to try and "catch" people that are non-students. If anything, they may require proof of being a student such as your current class schedule as they do for ADC students.
Apple doesn't precheck anyone, except in the retain stores. Anyone can order via the online EDU store but Apple does randomly check people after the fact. From Apple's Website @ http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Im...ndividual.html :

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* If you placed your order by credit card, to charge to your credit card the difference between the amount you paid for the delivered goods and the price that Apple charged the general public for the same goods at the Apple Store, in effect on the date that you placed your order; and
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Jul 6, 2006, 01:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by SSharon
I guess it's more than just that. The extra $225 gets you the the superdrive, the video card, the bluetooth, and the ram on a single chip. Another $25 for the bluetooth dongle and you're right 200 bucks may not be worth it for the other 3 items. However, since it comes with a free nano you are really only paying $25 for the superdrive and video card.
Well, except that the edu price for a nano is $179, so you're paying $45 for that stuff. Still seems worth it.

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker
However, I'm not joking about Bluetooth for education individuals. Dongles suck.Mind you, for a low priced unit it's acceptable.
On the other hand, excuses to use the word "dongle" rule. So thank you, Apple.

The bigger downer is the lack of a SuperDrive option in this model.
Does seem kinda silly to leave that out as even a BTO. Guess they're hoping that if individual purchasers want anything else, they'll spring for the whole $250.
     
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I don't want to hear about your dongles, people.
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I noticed this thread when it was started, and went to have a look at the local (Finnish) applestore. This seemed perfect for me, as I don't need anything which was left out. I was pretty shocked to notice it was listed for about 740€ in the finnish education store, so I purchased it. With 2GB of ram and a 160GB hardisk it ended up costing less then 1000€...

I got a an email confirming the purchase, but noticed later when I logged in to see my order that the price had strangly jumped up by about 400€. I went to look at the applestore (again) and the price was now about 970€ for the base model. I guess they have had about 25% cheaper prices in the store for a while.

It'll be intresting to see what ends up happening. Here in Finland we have pretty strict laws governing online purchases, ofcoures it's possible Apple won't even start giving me any trouble.
     
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DONGLEDONGLEDONGLE!

I do think that the i4E (as I say it called on so random site lol) would be great for my grandma... my grandma doesn't need graphics, or Bluetooth, a 160 GB drive, or a DVD burner... plus, getting an iMac for Edu would allow enough money to get wireless over there for when I show up with my laptop... :>).
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And now Apple just killed the $899 iMac.
     
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They didn't kill it entirely, they just made it for institutional purchase only, not any old education individual. So if you want one for yourself, you've gotta know someone who does departmental orders. That's really irritating; I think they should be out there in the retail stores too.
     
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Jul 13, 2006, 12:37 AM
 
It makes sense, I mean, all a consumer has to do is log-in the edu-page and viola! $400 price drop. I wouldnt need the bluetooth or the remote so it would be great! Apple saw this taking away from the consumer version so they cut us out. I would like to see a cheaper consumer machine. YES, I know you get what you pay for, and the Mini is great! But lets keep the Mini at $599, but throw in a 15" lcd! An LCD only made for the mini. That would help consumers go for the switch!
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Originally Posted by SSharon
I guess it's more than just that. The extra $225 gets you the the superdrive, the video card, the bluetooth, and the ram on a single chip. Another $25 for the bluetooth dongle and you're right 200 bucks may not be worth it for the other 3 items. However, since it comes with a free nano you are really only paying $25 for the superdrive and video card.
ok. but know upfront that the reason there is a $169 rebate for the nano is that they want to empty stock. within days of the rebate program ends, expect a new nano like product to be announced. its what apple has dont for the past 3 years ago it was the b&w 20 gb ipod. and last year it was the mini, both were quickly replaced after the end of the rebate programs. (just fyi)
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you could always get a refurb 17" iMac for $200 cheaper... although I really wouldn't trust a refurb laptop, I see no problem with getting a refurbished iMac...
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This is a true shame, as our lab was thinking about picking one up. Institutional purchases are nice until you realize that you have to jump through hoops and red tape rather than writing an official check.
     
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Did anyone here actually order one before they were pulled? Did Apple cancel your order?

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Originally Posted by praterkeith
It makes sense, I mean, all a consumer has to do is log-in the edu-page and viola! $400 price drop. I wouldnt need the bluetooth or the remote so it would be great! Apple saw this taking away from the consumer version so they cut us out. I would like to see a cheaper consumer machine. YES, I know you get what you pay for, and the Mini is great! But lets keep the Mini at $599, but throw in a 15" lcd! An LCD only made for the mini. That would help consumers go for the switch!
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I think I would rather have a widescreen 17 inch. I think 15 inches is too small.
     
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