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SpencerLavery · Sep 5, 2007, 04:15 PM

I'm glad I didn't invest in stock like a planned when Sept 5th was announced. I don't really see the Touch doing that well at all.

CollinG3G4 · Sep 5, 2007, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

The price of early adoption. Ts ts ts...

-t

No kidding. Someone spending $600 on a phone is not concerned with money.

Dakarʒ · Sep 5, 2007, 04:34 PM

A thought occurs: How long was the iPhone delayed?

Sealobo · Sep 5, 2007, 04:38 PM

ordered the 8GB Touch™ just now.

my last apple product purchase was the original ipod nano.

turtle777 · Sep 5, 2007, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

A thought occurs: How long was the iPhone delayed?

I'm not following you ?!?!

-t

Dakarʒ · Sep 5, 2007, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

I'm not following you ?!?!

-t

Not that it'd be that much better, but the iPhone was delayed, and those extra days may have been chipped off the buffer between the release of the iPhone and the iPod Touch and subsequent price drop.

A huge amount of speculation and heresay, I know, but look who you're talking to.

analogika · Sep 5, 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by OAW

The iPod Touch looks really great. But since it is Wi-Fi enabled is there any reason why it's missing the Google Maps and Weather widgets?

Without these widgets and the Email app it's not quite an iPhone w/o the phone.

Well, I'd say you got the point yourself there, pretty quickly.

It's not an iPhone.

Bingo.

goMac · Sep 5, 2007, 04:48 PM

The one thing I haven't heard is if the new WiFi store has video.

If so, NBC must be kicking themselves about now.

mitchell_pgh · Sep 5, 2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by starman

No, it doesn't always drop. There have been several where the stock went up, sometimes WAY up.

I can't remember one... every time I've watched, it's always dropped. Sure, it may come back later that day, but it always seems to dip just after an announcement.

Dakarʒ · Sep 5, 2007, 04:50 PM

Yeah, usually it drops and then the next day it goes up like wildfire.

analogika · Sep 5, 2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

So Europe, you still pissed you didn't get the iPhone yet?

Whoever said we were pissed about it?

FWIW, I've been playing with it at work for weeks now, and I can wait until a v1.5 release.

Dakarʒ · Sep 5, 2007, 04:58 PM

Cheater.

davesimondotcom · Sep 5, 2007, 06:15 PM

So how long until someone hacks something together to get IP telephony to work on a Touch? Then the iPhone is AT&T-free.

There IS an advantage to not being in an AT&T coverage area!!

jokell82 · Sep 5, 2007, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

So how long until someone hacks something together to get IP telephony to work on a Touch? Then the iPhone is AT&T-free.

There IS an advantage to not being in an AT&T coverage area!!

Considering there is no earpiece or microphone, I doubt it.

davesimondotcom · Sep 5, 2007, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

Considering there is no earpiece or microphone, I doubt it.

The mic might be a problem.

But someone could use the headphones instead of an earpiece.

I'm at work so I didn't really look over the specs of the Touch.

- - e r i k - - · Sep 5, 2007, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

So Europe, you still pissed you didn't get the iPhone yet?

Speaking for myself, I'm happy with it. A 3G 16GB iPhone would be the sweet spot for me when it's released down here.

scottiB · Sep 5, 2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Uh, no. When was the last time Apple dropped the price of ANYTHING this much this fast?

I'll wait for your answer.

Apple dropped the cost of WebObjects from $50,000 to $699. Though not within 60 days of introduction.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000...ebobjects.html

It also dropped the price of Shake from $2,999 to $499. Though not within 60 days, again.
http://features.cgsociety.org/story.php?story_id=3623

analogue SPRINKLES · Sep 5, 2007, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by scottiB

Apple dropped the cost of WebObjects from $50,000 to $699. Though not within 60 days of introduction.
Apple - Media & Analyst Information - Press Releases

It also dropped the price of Shake from $2,999 to $499. Though not within 60 days, again.
CGSociety - Shake shakes off price.

Oh big deal, they didn't sell a million of those in the first 60 days.

voodoo · Sep 5, 2007, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

So Europe, you still pissed you didn't get the iPhone yet?

Oh I just hope this means that there is sufficient quantity of the iPhone so it will be available before the end of the year™ as promised by the Steve.

Yurp agrees, I can safely assume.

V

C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 5, 2007, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sealobo

ordered the 8GB Touch™ just now.

my last apple product purchase was the original ipod nano.

I'll be getting it soon. We're low on cash right now (VZ FiOS installation + FiOS bill + old cable bill + hot weather down here = $$$$) and I can't wait to get it!

Originally Posted by jokell82

Considering there is no earpiece or microphone, I doubt it.

Someone will write some software so a 3rd party mic plugged in will work. You'll look like a idiot walking around with your iPod in your face with a big mic and earphones tho.

Brien · Sep 5, 2007, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Then it comes back?

No, until it's gone from the Macbook, too, is what I meant.

Dakarʒ · Sep 5, 2007, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Brien

No, until it's gone from the Macbook, too, is what I meant.

Don't worry, I was being sarcastic. It's fairly obvious that at some point the MacBook will change as well.

ironknee · Sep 5, 2007, 10:49 PM

nobody is a bigger mac fan than i am but:

the fact that apple hasn't sold a million iPhones yet is disappointing

also dropping the price by $200 seems like a major adjustment to their original plan....if it were $100 off then it may not look as bad...i see iPhone 2.0 at mwsf

otherwise i thought the new ipods are great....more nano buyers of vdeo and games...oh steve you are a genius!

Jawbone54 · Sep 5, 2007, 10:52 PM

No white iMac. No white iPod. No white iPhone.

I miss the white era already. It always looked so clean.

goMac · Sep 5, 2007, 10:53 PM

The iPhones will sell like hotcakes now. A good move by Apple.

voodoo · Sep 5, 2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

nobody is a bigger mac fan than i am but:

the fact that apple hasn't sold a million iPhones yet is disappointing

also dropping the price by $200 seems like a major adjustment to their original plan....if it were $100 off then it may not look as bad...i see iPhone 2.0 at mwsf

otherwise i thought the new ipods are great....more nano buyers of vdeo and games...oh steve you are a genius!

Hmm I am also a huge mac fan, but unless the sales of the iPhone are completely hopeless, then this price-drop is only to fuel the hype already started.

Steve said he wanted to sell a million iPhones within the year.. or was it within a year? I forget.

V

ironknee · Sep 5, 2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Hmm I am also a huge mac fan, but unless the sales of the iPhone are completely hopeless, then this price-drop is only to fuel the hype already started.

Steve said he wanted to sell a million iPhones within the year.. or was it within a year? I forget.

V

i don't know but i agree the new price will really make a difference. it will sell like hotcakes!

scottiB · Sep 5, 2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sealobo

ordered the 8GB Touch™ just now.

my last apple product purchase was the original ipod nano.

Just ordered the 16GB. My last iPod (not Apple) purchase was my 10GB 1st-gen iPod (which it still working fine).

goMac · Sep 5, 2007, 11:24 PM

In my experience, everyone I know wants an iPhone. Family, friends, and co-workers included. Only two things keep them from buying one, the price, and the carrier. I think consumers are willing to forgive one of those things, but not both together. By bringing the iPhone down to $399, I think that the iPhone has fallen below the reserve price of most consumers, and I think it will allow more consumers to forgive having to change carriers to ATT.

Apple has essentially moved from competing just in the smartphone arena, where they were already very price competitive, to now taking on the entire cell phone market in general. The 4 gig iPhone, while a limited time deal, is now at the same price point as the Helio Ocean, which has traditionally tried to compete with the iPhone on price.

The other big loser today was Microsoft. The new iPod demolishes their Zune offerings. The iPod classic is at the same price point as the Zune, but has more than twice the capacity, in addition to a new interface. The iPod touch is only $50 more, but it destroys the Zune's archaic interface, in addition to having much more features, and the iPod touch lets you download full songs instead of messing around with dinky samples. Apple's got the Zune cornered from both directions.

(With regards to what I'm looking at purchasing, still waiting for some sort of rev B iPhone, 16 gig, maybe fixed headphone jack, maybe 3G. Rumors are we may see it before the end of the year at the Europe iPhone launch.)

davesimondotcom · Sep 5, 2007, 11:29 PM

My wife bought me a 16GB Touch today for our 7th Anniversary/my 33rd Birthday.

This will be iPod #5 for us:

5GB first gen
512 MB 1st gen shuffle
2 1GB 2nd gen shuffles (one got lost somehow, second replaced it)

I'm excited to have a screen to watch TV shows on, and the WiFi for Safari will be great since I'm a web developer. It just cost me another $20 to buy Cameron Moll's mobile web dev book since I'll have something to play with it on other than my Treo...

JoshuaZ · Sep 5, 2007, 11:34 PM

Fun filled to the max. Being so many time zones away, its so nice to wake up in the morning and read all the news threads.

Touch seems nice, though seriously apple. Going light on the Touch Apps are we? I mean, you could load up all the fun filled iPhone things and take away the phone part and nto suffer a loss in sales.

I, like many people, will wait for a larger sized version of the touch and pray that Apple includes BT and maybe a camera as well. A camera would be nice, wouldn:t it.

Sigh....

TailsToo · Sep 6, 2007, 12:02 AM

I think Apple doesn't want to take all of the goodies from AT&T. If the iPod touch had all of the same apps as the iPhone, there would be little reason for it, especially with all of the wifi networks that are popping up.

OwlBoy · Sep 6, 2007, 12:13 AM

I totally have a good reason to upgrade my 3G 20g iPod now. To think I paid $299 for it, and now I can get so much more for the same price.

The old screen really looks janky compared to the new iPod interface, not to mention iPod touch/iPhone.

-Owl

passmaster16 · Sep 6, 2007, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by TailsToo

I think Apple doesn't want to take all of the goodies from AT&T. If the iPod touch had all of the same apps as the iPhone, there would be little reason for it, especially with all of the wifi networks that are popping up.

That's what we can assume. However, I don't see the iPod touch cutting into iPhone sales. The fact that it does not have a phone distinguishes it enough. People who are buying the iPhone are doing so because they typically need phone functionality anyway. Wifi really is not of much help in this case. As popular as wifi is getting, it isn't broad enough to replace the need for a dedicated phone/data service. It's a nice supplemental feature in the new iPod but I don't think it will take sales away from iPhone especially with the price reduction.

analogue SPRINKLES · Sep 6, 2007, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by passmaster16

That's what we can assume. However, I don't see the iPod touch cutting into iPhone sales.

Even if it did who cares. If anything is getting cannibalized Apple is happy it is with one of their other products.

passmaster16 · Sep 6, 2007, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Even if it did who cares. If anything is getting cannibalized Apple is happy it is with one of their other products.

Well AT&T might care. Sure Apple shouldn't care at all, but we don't know the details of the agreement between them and AT&T.

Hawkeye_a · Sep 6, 2007, 01:50 AM

good keynote at the right time

turtle777 · Sep 6, 2007, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

Someone will write some software so a 3rd party mic plugged in will work. You'll look like a idiot walking around with your iPod in your face with a big mic and earphones tho.

How the hell will someone re-program an audio out jack to be used as audio IN & out ?

Dude, no way !

-t

Stogieman · Sep 6, 2007, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Oh big deal, they didn't sell a million of those in the first 60 days.

They didn't sell a million iPhones in the first 60 days either.

Originally Posted by scottiB

Just ordered the 16GB. My last iPod (not Apple) purchase was my 10GB 1st-gen iPod (which it still working fine).

Are you sure that's not a 2nd-gen? I thought the 1st-gen only came in one size: 5GB.

Powerbook · Sep 6, 2007, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by scottiB

Apple dropped the cost of WebObjects from $50,000 to $699. Though not within 60 days of introduction.
Apple - Media & Analyst Information - Press Releases

Ja! Three minutes later I ordered it for myself, it's a cool piece of software. It's a shame they didn't make more out of this...

Graviton · Sep 6, 2007, 05:33 AM

Nobody except me, my lady and my doctor gets to touch my pods.

Oisín · Sep 6, 2007, 05:45 AM

[insert joke about things the size of peas]

C.A.T.S. CEO · Sep 6, 2007, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

How the hell will someone re-program an audio out jack to be used as audio IN & out ?

Dude, no way !

-t

iTalk?

scottiB · 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Stogieman

Are you sure that's not a 2nd-gen? I thought the 1st-gen only came in one size: 5GB.

In March 2002, Apple released one with 10GB and a mechanical scoll wheel. for $499(!). I bought it with in iBook G3/700 and got a rebate.

The solid-state wheel iPods (10 and 20 GB) came out in July 2002.

Source: Apple History

Dakarʒ · Sep 6, 2007, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

iTalk?

That's called a peripheral, not reprogramming.

placebo1969 · Sep 6, 2007, 01:06 PM

Random question that I haven't seen asked: Is the new interface available on older (say 5G iPods) through a software update or something like that?

ort888 · Sep 6, 2007, 01:11 PM

I'm sure it's possible... but Apple will never do it.

turtle777 · Sep 6, 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by placebo1969

Random question that I haven't seen asked: Is the new interface available on older (say 5G iPods) through a software update or something like that?

I guess I'll be out of luck with my 3G iPod

-t

analogue SPRINKLES · Sep 6, 2007, 01:21 PM

I wonder if the iPhone will get that new 10.5 like dock that the touch has or if they will always keep them different.

Laminar · Sep 6, 2007, 01:22 PM

So any conjecture on IM and email capabilities for the Touch?