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There is an old expression...
"blue and green should never be seen unless there's something in between".
Basically, blue and green don't go well together. The icon really looks bad. Did Apple seriously stop you guys from using the old one? That doesn't make sense. Did you guys p!ss Apple off?
Anyway, maybe you should go for something completely different from a globe. OmniWEB - so maybe a web. That could look good...
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Not true about the blue and green thing. I always thought that the sky and the trees go well together, and the earth is pretty from space. Old expressions aside, it's never good to classify color combinations so strictly.
I liked the sneakypeek logo better mainly because it was so glassy. This one looks closer to the Finder's icon than the Aqua widgets.
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Generally speaking, the blue-green thing is true. Just look at the new OmniWeb icon. It's a simple piece of advice that would have saved a lot of heartache...
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Why does it even need to be another representation of a globe? Admittedly, the old one was nice, but conceptually it doesn't sit that far apart from IE, nor the existing Apple network icons.
Push the boundary with both OmniWeb 5.0 and its icon!
[Oops - beat me to it, curmi]
<small>[ 06-24-2002, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Simon Mundy ]</small>
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OK, I think the icon is corny. But that aside...
There's a javascript problem that I was hoping would be fixed...go to <a href="http://www.tiffany.com" target="_blank">Tiffany</a>'s web site and try to enter. It just sits there, for both HTML and Flash. Have to look at expensive stuff in IE...anybody know what's up?
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Also still doesn't work with photo sites created using Apple itools. No counters come up on pages, and clicking on an image brings up the slide show, but the first image is often not loaded - you have to move to the next and then move back. Also, any text associated with the image is not displayed in the text area below on the slide show window.
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The new icon may be ugly to some, but at least it offers a slightly less America-centric view of the world! Now an icon that automatically changed depending on your location in the world would be very cool, but probably not a very useful use of Omni programmers' time.
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When did PNG gamma get fixed? This is nice to see working. Admittedly, I hadn't used any version since beta 1, or read the sneakypeeks thread at all really. But anyway, gamma is the same as IE now (and the same as a jpg or gif made from the same image). Photoshop-made PNGs ALSO display identically in OW though, while they are darker in IE. (And preview.app shows all PNGs dark.) I always thought Photoshop was writing a bad gAMA chunk (which is why I remove it using pngcrush) but is it actually IE's fault? Or does OW not pay attention to gAMA now?
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Then how come no one is bitching about Dream Weaver's icon? The icon isn't very cool but i don't think that has anything to do with the colors. It's just a amateurish logo.
Sad thing is we waited how many weeks for them to do it?
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Probably not many people are using DreamWeaver, so there won't be many complaints.
Post the icon so we can see it and bitch about it if you like. :-)
Seriously though - maybe people can post replacements for OmniWeb here. Like Adam did. I thought Adam's was better, but still has that blue-green-sick mixture that puts me off. Maybe something that isn't a globe...
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I appear to be in the minority by saying this but...I like the new icon. Reminds me of the old "broswe the internet" icon that was on the OS9 desktop.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gene Jockey:
<strong>OK, I think the icon is corny. But that aside...
There's a javascript problem that I was hoping would be fixed...go to <a href="http://www.tiffany.com" target="_blank">Tiffany</a>'s web site and try to enter. It just sits there, for both HTML and Flash. Have to look at expensive stuff in IE...anybody know what's up?
--J</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">This is annoying, but there's an easy work-around:
just go to <a href="http://www.tiffany.com/html/" target="_blank">http://www.tiffany.com/html/</a>
(our registry is there and it was going to be extremely annoying to boot up IE each time)
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There's more than one way to skin a cat!
Rickster et al,
When I first saw the new logo my initial reaction was negative like most of the other people on this board. While I prefer the old icon, it is very similar to the iDisk icon. But when I thought about it some more I realized that my negative reaction was due to the fact that the blue in the new icon did not match the Aqua blue in the "MNI" letters ... rather than a dislike of the icon itself. Rickster has mentioned that an Aqua blue globe is "verboten", so that is why the shade of blue was changed. Apple is being a tad bit unreasonable IMHO but I'm sure you guys have realized that it is not worth the time and money arguing with them about it. So my suggestion is the following ...
"If you can't go out to the party, then bring the party to you!"
In other words ...
IMO the problem with the new look is that the blue doesn't match the "MNI" letters. So why don't you simply make the color of the "MNI" letters match the blue in the icon? You can still do a similar "gradient" effect (or what ever it is called) in the letters so they aren't a simple solid color ... but at least you can make it match the icon and provide some consistency. After all, there's no law that says the other three letters have to have an "Aqua" color scheme is there?
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What on earth?! Does Apple have a registered trademark on blue spheres or something?
This is ridiculous. The fact that the old OmniWeb icon looked so good and had the elegant Aqua look should have been praised and set as an example for other apps (ahem... Mozilla).
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Well, I've gone back to the SP 91 as the final is slower not to mention it gives even more lightning bolts all over the freak'n place. Oh yea I think the icon is the most wretched thing I've ever laid my eyes on. So disappointed.
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4.1 crashes just as much as sp91. And sp91 crashed every 10 minutes on my machine. I kept my mouth shut about it thinking it was just a sp problem but now I'm flabbergasted. What am I supposed to do? Go back to a very old sneakypeek? I can't use 4.1 final in this state. Not sure what to do at this point.
IE 5.2 is out of the question. It's the most ridiculous piece of software I have on my computer right now...I'm considering trashing it, so this is definitely not the browser I want to use.
Chimera is unusable...no features...can't use it.
The rest of the browsers are poor carbon ports (like IE).
I'll have to go to some of the sp80-89 builds I think.
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Kind of silly to keep your mouth shut since the whole purpose of the sps is to get user feedback. Sympathy withheld!
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I think the new logo rocks!
And it's an amazing measure of the quality of Mac OS X and OmniWeb that over seventy posts have been spent on an icon! Good job Apple and OmniGroup.
Guy, I believe someone mentioned this to you on the sp thread, but if you're having so many crashes with sp91 and the final then I suspect something seriously wrong with your system. I'd suspect corrupted prefs, corrupted Mac OS X, and broken disk hierarchy (for which Disk First Aid is worthless). Of course I don't know what stuff you've been surfing, but I've had one crash in a month. Consider backing up and starting anew.
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Rickster....you guys have done it again.....the worlds most controversial icon! Is this all a plot at Omni to generate the longest threads on these boards?
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Oh, Jesus you people need a life.
I'm using it right now. Anyone want to talk PERFORMANCE?
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Here's just some ideas:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWeb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWDarkBlue.jpg" alt=" - " />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
<strong>4.1 crashes just as much as sp91. And sp91 crashed every 10 minutes on my machine. I kept my mouth shut about it thinking it was just a sp problem but now I'm flabbergasted. What am I supposed to do? Go back to a very old sneakypeek? I can't use 4.1 final in this state. Not sure what to do at this point.
IE 5.2 is out of the question. It's the most ridiculous piece of software I have on my computer right now...I'm considering trashing it, so this is definitely not the browser I want to use.
Chimera is unusable...no features...can't use it.
The rest of the browsers are poor carbon ports (like IE).
I'll have to go to some of the sp80-89 builds I think.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Try this: Use Sherlock to search for everything related to OW and then delete it. Follow this up with a reload of OW 4.1. I bet you have better luck after this done. I had similar problems, at one point with the sneaky peeks, but once I started over from scratch many of problems went away.
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I agree that the icon of the recent SPs was nicer, but I don't think the look of an icon is such a huge deal. However, I was hoping that the release version of 4.1 would work with my bank's site, so that I could finally toss IE and Mozilla in the trash. I'm a tad disappointed to see that OW *still* doesn't do Javascript well enough (or emulate MS's bugs completely enough) to work with <a href="http://www.tdcanadatrust.com." target="_blank">www.tdcanadatrust.com.</a> It still complains that cookies aren't enabled, even though they are, and it still freezes in the account login process.
Too bad. I have no interest in using other browsers except OW, but it still can't handle one site that I need to visit several times a week.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Don Pickett:
<strong>Oh, Jesus you people need a life.
I'm using it right now. Anyone want to talk PERFORMANCE?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Sure I'll talk performance... It's sucks as I said in my above post. It's slower than the previous SP and has more render errors as well.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<strong>Here's just some ideas:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWeb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWDarkBlue.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">hey, those are actually pretty good...all three. the 3rd one would be a bit better if the continents were just a bit lighter blue, just to be more distinguishable when shrunken down in the dock.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<strong>Here's just some ideas:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWeb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWDarkBlue.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Wow, Adam! Amazing! One and three are great! I would opt for three.
Another thing to try would be to follow the Aqua guidelines very closely. They say an application icon should be a stack of rotated documents combined with a tool that modifies them. A web browser is a (web) page viewer, so maybe a stack of web pages (would be sort of a challenge) and either a viewing tool (glasses or magnifier for example) or maybe a 'receiving' tool (antenna or something like that).
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am Betts:
<strong>Here's just some ideas:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWeb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWDarkBlue.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong>[/QUOTE]
Bloody hell, Adam, you rock! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by curmi:
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"blue and green should never be seen unless there's something in between".</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">The horror... I'm gonna have to redesign <a href="http://www.geekspiff.com" target="_blank">my website</a> now...
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Adam, you rule! That web one (second icon) is so cool. Now THAT is OmniWEB!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by smeger:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by curmi:
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"blue and green should never be seen unless there's something in between".</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">The horror... I'm gonna have to redesign <a href="http://www.geekspiff.com" target="_blank">my website</a> now...
Or not.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Well, your web site can get away with it because of the shades of blue and green used, and the minimal amounts of green. That is very different from the new OmniWeb icon.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Developer:
<strong>Another thing to try would be to follow the Aqua guidelines very closely. They say an application icon should be a stack of rotated documents combined with a tool that modifies them. A web browser is a (web) page viewer, so maybe a stack of web pages (would be sort of a challenge) and either a viewing tool (glasses or magnifier for example) or maybe a 'receiving' tool (antenna or something like that).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Good idea! I think magnify would work well with globe.
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWMagnify.jpg" alt=" - " />
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<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Don Pickett:
<strong>Oh, Jesus you people need a life.
I'm using it right now. Anyone want to talk PERFORMANCE?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Sure I'll talk performance... It's sucks as I said in my above post. It's slower than the previous SP and has more render errors as well.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">If you'd asked around you would have learned that those persons experiencing such problems usually get them as a result of a corrupt history file (and less frequently as a result of a bad bookmark or preferences file).
Delete those (or just move them so you can test out whether things are better) and then try it. sp91 crashed only once on me in the month or so of using it (and that was after a very java intensive page was closed).
If it's stable on my machine, there's no reason it shouldn't be stable on yours.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
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I think magnify would work well with globe.
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWMagnify.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">So what about using pages/documents as the basis of the icon instead of a globe? Like in TextEdit, AppleWorks etc.
And I don't think magnifier is the right tool for a web browser. That more stands for searching like in Sherlock I think.
For a web browser it should be a tool for one of these:
- viewing: glasses, magnifier lens like in Preview, ... what else?
- displaying: TV, projector, picture frame, ...?
- receiving: antenna, eye?, ...?
- transmitting: (radio) waves, tube, telegraph pole, ...?
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Any more ideas?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">What's wrong with the spider web mockup? I'm going to use it for mozilla. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<strong>Good idea! I think magnify would work well with globe.
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWMagnify.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Where did you get that magnifying glass image?
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<strong>Where did you get that magnifying glass image?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I made it to go with the icon.
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<strong>The new icon may be ugly to some, but at least it offers a slightly less America-centric view of the world!
...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">so, i'm not the only one who was positively surprised by that.
when i first saw the icon, i really thought it was pretty ugly. but it's only the small version in the dock that's ugly. the big version looks ok; they just need to do domething about the smaller versions of it.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by curmi:
<strong>Adam, you rule! That web one (second icon) is so cool. Now THAT is OmniWEB!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I love the spider web one too !
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why not take the old icon without the sun?
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Adam, you're fantastic.
The first was the best.
Apple has no copyright on blue.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<strong>Here's just some ideas:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I'll have this one, please.
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Why not go back to the pumpkin. I *really* like it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
(oh and it's red and green that should never be seen - except on the dress of an Irish queen - everyone knows that)
Perhaps you could give the old omniweb icon to Apple now to replace their awfully bitty netwok icon.. which (by the way) is definitely *not* aqua blue.. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />
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Adam, very nice icons.
Any chance of a mini tutorial on how you did them, or at least which apps you use?
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Nothing to see, move along.
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What about this:
<img src="http://www.sambeau.com/guff/spid_aqua.gif" alt=" - " />
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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Adam, could you release the web one as an actual icon file? Or a TIFF with transparent background so I can make an icon? I really like that - so cool.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by CharlesS:
<strong>Where did you get that magnifying glass image?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I made it to go with the icon.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I wish I had your skills...
<looks, embarrassed, at Pacifist's icon>
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I think Omni should just use a plain sphere instead of the "copyrighted" translucent one.
It would look a little like this Icon Factory globe (World Of Aqua 1) :
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bartsim/IconFactoryGlobe.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Hey Adam, those icons are terrific (although the spider web one one gives me visions of the earth being enslaved by a master race of spiders).
I like Developers idea of using the Aqua Guidelines. Especially the one of a stack of rotated web pages with a pair of glasses. I don't know how this would scale in the dock, but it sounds good on paper.
-- Jason
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I shouls add that it's nice to see Omni create its own graphic identity. I get tired of everyone trying to make Aqua blue icons that are trying to look *just* like Apple's system icons. For example, I like having Stone Design's icons in my dock because they're so distinctive. I'm sure this is also what Omni was thinking, to create a brand moreso than the glass blue sneakypeek icon could do. Hell, just look at the fact that everyone was ripping off their icon and there wasn't much they could do about it -- it just looked like Aqua, not Omni.
PS: I still don't buy into the nursery rhyme that substitutes as color theory.
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