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Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 09:57 AM

Former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger calls BHO a con-man and a charlatan for his false claim of wanting to pursue public funding and then turning around and raising money in very questionable ways. He also says that BHO's Iraq policy would result in the unnecessary deaths of GIs. So that makes former Secretaries of State Haig, Schultz, Kissinger and Eagleburger endorsing McCain, versus Powell's staged (and in my view racially motivated) endorsement of BHO.

Sayf-Allah · Nov 3, 2008, 10:06 AM

How many of those are Republicans?

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger calls BHO a con-man and a charlatan for his false claim of wanting to pursue public funding and then turning around and raising money in very questionable ways. He also says that BHO's Iraq policy would result in the unnecessary deaths of GIs. So that makes former Secretaries of State Haig, Schultz, Kissinger and Eagleburger endorsing McCain, versus Powell's staged (and in my view racially motivated) endorsement of BHO.

Did you want to bring up what prompted his attack? This was his mea culpa for speaking his mind about Palin's qualifications to be President. Asked if she was ready, he replied:

"'It is a very good question,' he said. He paused, and then added: 'I'm being facetious here. Look, I don't think -- of course not."

He's working double time to make up for this blunder.

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2008, 10:10 AM

Additionally- this in not new news, he endorsed McCain months ago. He is only in the news now because he savaged Palin.

So far, one Republican Sec. of State has endorsed Obama- how many Democratic ones have endorsed McCain?

Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 10:12 AM

Gov. Palin probably is not ready to be president on day one, Paco. That's why she is running for VP. But she has gotten better and better through her short time on the national stage, and I think she will be ready within a very short period of time if Americans make the right choice tomorrow.The endorsement of these other former Secretaries is news because the left acts as if Powell, a weak general, weak Republican (a RINO, really) and crappy Secretary of State mattered so much when everyone knew with strong confidence what he was going to do months before he did it.

Eug · Nov 3, 2008, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

She's probably not ready to be president on day one, Paco. She has gotten better and better through her short time on the national stage, and I think she will be ready within a very short period of time

Wow. Really?

Mind you it won't matter anyway come tomorrow.

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

She's probably not ready to be president on day one, Paco. She has gotten better and better through her short time on the national stage, and I think she will be ready within a very short period of time if Americans make the right choice tomorrow.

Debatable, but what is not debatable is why Eagleburger made these comments and why he is in the news. He went on to say:

"Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be' -- Eagleburger paused here, searching for the right word -- 'adequate. I can't say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year -- well, I hope not -- get us through whatever period.'" He added "And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. And this is his opinion, not mine.

Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 10:21 AM

Perhaps his opinion has changed.

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2008, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Perhaps his opinion has changed.

His original statement was from last week, Thursday I believe. Unless he was traveling the road to Damascus over the weekend, I doubt he's seen the light.

Eug · Nov 3, 2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Perhaps his opinion has changed.

Always the optimist, huh?

Anyways, you can't have it both ways. You're the one who started the thread about this guy... a Republican who had already endorsed McCain... and then goes on to diss McCain's running mate.

Big Mac · 10:39 AM

There are a lot of people who doubt her, including older conservatives (like George Will). I don't have to discount their full opinions on the election if I don't agree with everything they think about Gov Palin. I think she's a remarkable woman who is growing into a fabulous national politician, and I look forward to her 2016 campaign to succeed President McCain.

kobi · Nov 3, 2008, 10:31 AM

Only after the GOP told him to retract his statements, or else the pictures would come out or whatever they have on him.

Look, the man spoke his mind on NPR and the GOP neutered him for it.

Palin was the kiss of death for the McCain campaign. She was brought in by Dobson and the religious right to rally base, it worked. She was not McCain's choice, Lieberman was. The base rallied to McCain, then she spoke and the house of cards was brought down.

It's just too bad that the base isn't what it used to be, the country has shifted back to the Left. On Weds morning the GOP will have a very uncertain future, I think the party will split actually. Your going to have a religious GOP base and a Conservative base, the question is will they be strong enough to pull it together for 2012.

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2008, 10:32 AM

Back to the point, McCain has 5 former Sec. of State endorsing him- 5 of the 6 living former Republican Appointees. Obama has been endorsed by every living former Democratic Sec of State and one Republican. Had Clinton gone through a few more in his term or had some of the others (Christopher, Vance, Muskie) lived a bit longer, these numbers might be more equal.

Eug · Nov 3, 2008, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

There are a lot of people who doubt her, including older conservatives. I don't have to discount their full opinions on the election if I don't agree with everything they think about Gov Palin.

We know. You've already demonstrated you like to cherry pick these things.

Originally Posted by kobi

On Weds morning the GOP will have a very uncertain future, I think the party will split actually.

I don't. Shift direction a bit maybe, but split? Unlikely.

OreoCookie · Nov 3, 2008, 10:36 AM

He made these statements last Thursday, you really think he has changed his opinion over the weekend?

Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 10:46 AM

Okay, then he didn't. It doesn't really matter what he thinks about her right now. Gov Palin is at the bottom of the Republican ticket. BHO, the most inexperienced one, is at the top of the Dem ticket, and Gov Palin has far more executive experience than BHO.

kobi · Nov 3, 2008, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Okay, then he didn't. It doesn't really matter what he thinks about her right now. Gov Palin is at the bottom of the Republican ticket. BHO, the most inexperienced one, is at the top of the Dem ticket, and Gov Palin has far more executive experience than BHO.

Between Pailn's excuitive experience and John McCain's POW experience; President Elect Obama should make them in charge of our Prison Camp in Guantanamo. It's the perfect job for them, Pailn can pal around with terrorists other than her husband and McCain can tell convince the prisoners to rat out troop movements and base camps like McCain did in Vietnam.

besson3c · Nov 3, 2008, 10:53 AM

Reneging on campaign financing - that's argument #12 on my grand master list!

- he's a Socialist
- he's a Marxist
- he's a Communist
- he's a dictator
- William Ayers
- he's an elitist
- Jeremiah Wright
- he's unpatriotic
- he wants to raise everybody's taxes
- he's running a dirty campaign
- he's inexperienced
- he reneged on his promise to accept public financing
- Joe the plumber/Tito the builder/etc.
- Obama's aunt
- Michelle Obama being proud of her country for the first time
- he voted "present" too many times
- he's a secret Muslim
- he wants to kill babies
- he's the most liberal candidate ever
- he wants to wipe Israel off the map
- he wants to destroy small towns
- he will be soft on terror and will meet with foreign leaders in a very careless way
- he wants us to stop singing the national anthem or reciting the Pledge
- he has secretly been making last minute changes to his tax plan that don't appear on his website
- he's been accepting illegal donations
- he's an empty suit
- he's not ready on day one
- he doesn't write his own speeches and relies on a teleprompter for staged theatrics
- he went to a Madrassa
- he's black/taking advantage of the fact that he is black/playing the race card
- he's godless/the anti-Christ
- he hates town hall meetings
- he's not a US citizen
- Tony Rezko
- The other Palestinian professor whose last name starts with a K
- Doesn't take care of his half brother
- He was a community activist/organizer.
- Truth Squads.
- Many of the things listed above prefaced with the term 'radical'.
- He likes arugula.
- He thinks he's the messiah.
- People think he's the messiah.
- He doesn't put his hand over his heart for the national anthem.
- He doesn't wear a flag pin.
- He thinks he's a rock star.
- He had columns behind him.
- He snubbed the Clintons.
- He's opposed to nuclear energy
- He can't pay for anything he is proposing
- He supports homosexual civil unions
- He's not black enough.
- He's obsessed with homosexuals and their 'rights'.
- He's arrogant.
- He smokes.

Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 11:00 AM

Thank you for keeping track, besson, I'll send that list to my friends in the swing states.

besson3c · Nov 3, 2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Thank you for keeping track, besson, I'll send that list to my friends in the swing states.

I would suggest entitling it "What you don't know about secret Muslim gay loving Socialist Communist terrorist unpatriotic nicotine addicted inexperienced racist baby killing anti-semite B HUSSEIN O'Bama". It will carry more weight this way, plus will conveniently touch on many of your talking points in the subject so that they don't have to be explained in the message itself.

I would also suggest lots of blinking text in your message, and pictures of the World Trade Center towers burning.

Big Mac · Nov 3, 2008, 11:08 AM

Thank you so much!

besson3c · Nov 3, 2008, 11:11 AM

No problem, I work for Snopes!

Eug · Nov 3, 2008, 11:17 AM

What's wrong with arugula?

besson3c · Nov 3, 2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Eug

What's wrong with arugula?

Nobama likes it, duh!

Eug · Nov 3, 2008, 11:25 AM

Link please.

besson3c · Nov 3, 2008, 11:48 AM

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709240012

vmarks · Nov 3, 2008, 11:52 AM

It's worth remembering that many Presidents have observed that the State Department often works against them.

finboy · Nov 3, 2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by kobi

Palin was the kiss of death for the McCain campaign. She was brought in by Dobson and the religious right to rally base, it worked. She was not McCain's choice, Lieberman was. The base rallied to McCain, then she spoke and the house of cards was brought down.

Source?

Wait, reliable source?

ironknee · Nov 3, 2008, 09:36 PM

U.s.a.! U.s.a.! U.s.a.!

edit: why can't i have caps for Usa? liberal mods!

kobi · Nov 4, 2008, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by finboy

Source?

Wait, reliable source?

Sources. Wait, reliable sources had to check. Some links are from Social Conservative websites so watch out.

Palin was the kiss of death to the McCain campaign, plain and simple. McCain is proof as to what happens when you don't vet your Vice President pick.

Religious Right tells McCain no to Lieberman for VP pick

Palin a drag on the McCain ticket

Dobson vetts Palin in Minnesota

Social Conservatives loves some Palin