[reader50]

Trump is indicted in Georgia.

Indictment (PDF - 98 pages)
Annotated Indictment (CNN)

41 counts (13 against Trump). 19 defendants (Trump + 18 others). They have until August 25 to turn themselves in. I'm still reading.

According to CNN, Trump now faces 91 felony counts in 4 cases, across 4 different jurisdictions. Two of them state jurisdictions (New York, Georgia). Even if so inclined, a future POTUS cannot pardon state crimes.

[Thorzdad]

Quite the read. Georgia’s own RICO statute is in play here, which requires at least five years be served before parole can even be considered. Interestingly, in Georgia the governor cannot issue a pardon. That’s exclusively the purview of the state parole board.

[Thorzdad]

I’m kind of shocked the indictment lists the grand jury members by name. Those poor people are in for a rough time of it, I fear.

[Gregg]

Trump has already perpetrated actual witness intimidation against someone in the Georgia case. He's already on thin ice with the judge in DC. The question is, which jurisdiction will move first to hold him accountable for his tantrums?

[reader50]

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

I’m kind of shocked the indictment lists the grand jury members by name. Those poor people are in for a rough time of it, I fear.

I saw that as well. Also, on Page 20, "Act 3" is listed as "Act 2" - a typo that shouldn't have slipped into a court filing. Hopefully their case management will be tighter.

[Thorzdad]

And, as I feared...
Trump supporters post home addresses of members of grand jury.

“These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump,"

[Thorzdad]

6’3”, 215lbs?

[andi*pandi]

Maybe that's what his drivers license says from 50 years ago, LOL

[Spheric Harlot]

That’s what the receipt is for; that’s what he gets to take with him when he leaves jail.

[subego]

He’d weigh more if he had bigger hands.

[Waragainstsleep]

Finally hearing some chatter about section 3 of the 14th amendment to bar him from ever holding office again. Which seems like it would be entirely appropriate.Wonder if SCOTUS will do the right thing on that one. Strangely, I have a feeling they actually might.

[Gregg]

On this side of the pond, that's been filtering through for at least a couple of months, with concrete actions taking place in the last couple of weeks or so. The cases might all take a back seat to SC. I wouldn't be shocked by any ruling. It could go either way…

[Waragainstsleep]

After the GOP loaded the SC I assumed they would in an egregiously partisan fashion at every turn but they have surprised me once or twice. Its hard to see how they could justify not blocking Trump under the law, though they will definitely not want to block him because I don't see any other Republican winning an election.
I wouldn't see Trump winning one either if Biden didn't genuinely seem to be going mentally downhill fairly fast. I assumed it was just Fox News nonsense at first but he does look frail and does say some odd things. The Dems should really be finding a good replacement ASAP.

[Gregg]

Biden has been making misstatements for decades. Perhaps he does it more often than he used to, but he also has a bigger megaphone. He seems to embellish things in his past, and apparently he genuinely believes his memory to be accurate. It would be better to acknowledge that he doesn't remember details about things that happened years ago.

[subego]

Reminder we don’t have President Franken right now.

[OreoCookie]

@Waragainstsleep
The thing with (quasi-)octogenarians is that their health can decline precipitously after e. g. a sudden fall. Have a look at what happened to Mitch McConnell, he was super sharp and on point until he wasn't. Trump always has been unhinged for a while, and I struggle picking up on the differences between him bsing and not being on top of things mentally. It is true, though, that he seems to lack the energy and fire he has had.

Originally Posted by Gregg 

Biden has been making misstatements for decades. Perhaps he does it more often than he used to, but he also has a bigger megaphone. He seems to embellish things in his past, and apparently he genuinely believes his memory to be accurate. It would be better to acknowledge that he doesn't remember details about things that happened years ago.

What is the relevance here?

[Waragainstsleep]

I always feel like presidential elections are at significantly a popularity (or familiarity) contest. Trump only won because he was utterly dominating every second of the news cycle on both sides of the isle. IMO.
If Biden needs to be replaced, I think they need to do it sooner rather than later to give everyone a chance to get to know the replacement. Harris has been fairly anonymous since Biden was elected and I do worry that racism and misogyny would play a part as well if she were top of the ticket. So if not her, then who is next in line as the democrat candidate? AOC might have the next highest profile (from an international perspective) but I sense she doesn't feel ready to pull that trigger yet. If its something she even wants at all.

Obviously Harris takes charge if Biden quits sooner, but not who replaces Biden for the next election?

[Thorzdad]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Obviously Harris takes charge if Biden quits sooner, but not who replaces Biden for the next election?

There really isn’t anyone in a position to replace him right now. The headcount in both the senate and house is too close to allow anyone from that crowd to replace him. Harris is capable of doing the job, but you’re right, sadly, about the wave of bigotry and misogyny that will follow.

Biden has never in his entire career been a solid speechifier. I think it has a lot to do with his learning to control, and cover for, his stutter.

Let’s not forget that Trump is relatively close in age to Biden and is far more obviously challenged, both physically and mentally. I mean, if Biden were to wander off-topic and simply start ranting the way Trump does all the time, it would be screaming headlines all through the right-wing media. But, no, Trump’s insanity is a beloved thing.

The ginned-up pearl-clutching over Biden’s age is being used as an election tactic against him. Honestly, what people need to focus on on what a second Trump administration will be like, and what the long-term effects of it will be.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by subego 

Reminder we don’t have President Franken right now.

That’s still depressing.

[Spheric Harlot]

Let Biden run, and win. IF he wins.

If the country doesn’t descend into civil war, he can retire for health reasons (sooner rather than later), and Harris is president.

Then see how she does.

The United States needs an AOC for president just to restore some of the basic premises of 20th-century social development and get out of the right-wing downward spiral into which the conservatives (D) and reactionaries/fascists (GOP) have locked the country, but she’s too young, and the time isn’t ripe yet.

[Gregg]

There has been some preliminary action in the cases against Trump. None have been favorable to him. Looks like the same pattern as in the post-election suits he brought. I don't know about his all-time record, but lately, Trump does not win in court.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

There really isn’t anyone in a position to replace him right now. The headcount in both the senate and house is too close to allow anyone from that crowd to replace him. Harris is capable of doing the job, but you’re right, sadly, about the wave of bigotry and misogyny that will follow.

While I agree, it (unfortunately) is true that VP Harris does not have the pull and she couldn't use the Vice Presidency to establish herself in the role.

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

Biden has never in his entire career been a solid speechifier. I think it has a lot to do with his learning to control, and cover for, his stutter.

What suprised me with Biden was his legislative accomplishments, which should serve as a reminder that being a good orator is one thing, but that isn't the same as getting shit done.

Originally Posted by Thorzdad 

The ginned-up pearl-clutching over Biden’s age is being used as an election tactic against him. Honestly, what people need to focus on on what a second Trump administration will be like, and what the long-term effects of it will be.

The one-sidedness is just the same as the obsession with the purported “Biden crime family”, yet ignoring the far more egregious problems of the Trump family.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Gregg 

There has been some preliminary action in the cases against Trump. None have been favorable to him. Looks like the same pattern as in the post-election suits he brought. I don't know about his all-time record, but lately, Trump does not win in court.

I think in his previous life, Trump was used to dealing with civil lawsuits where in the worst case you can make the problem go away by paying money. That doesn't work with criminal cases, especially when you keep on obstructing the case and/or go against at least the spirit of court orders.

Plus, Trump has furnished really clear evidence in many of these cases, e. g. the infamous Raffensperger call.

[christ]

Where does the law stand when you own the Supreme Court?

[reader50]

SCOTUS is loaded with conservative shills, but they don't seem to obey Trump specifically. They made numerous calls against Trump on his no-evidence 2020 election lawsuits, for example. I'm cautiously hopeful.