[OreoCookie]

In the article, they mention that the specs say, the maximum is 60 degrees, although in practice it'll be much less.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by ghporter

They only show pictures of luxury interiors of the new plane. I'll bet the coach sections are going to be at least as cramped as the coach section of a 737. At over 6'2", this matters more to me than how wonderfully luxurious the interior could be.

How cramped it will be will be decided by the airline not Airbus. There might be some airlines who offer more comfort to their customers. On the other hand if an airline cramps more people into the plane, it can offer lower prices.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

How cramped it will be will be decided by the airline not Airbus. There might be some airlines who offer more comfort to their customers. On the other hand if an airline cramps more people into the plane, it can offer lower prices.

One thing the airlines won't decide though is headroom. I've been in the mockup. I'm about 6'2" and there was much more headroom in the A380 because of the two decks and the shape of the fueselage. It felt cavernous on the lower deck. They did have a mockup of economy and it has the same number of seats in a row as a 747. There's a little more space but hardly noticeable. The difference is that there are spaces to hang out like bars.

[Weyland-Yutani]

These tests (and photos) were made more than a month ago TETENAL!!!

OK, this isn't exactly an aviation orientated forum so I'll stop here. These are stress tests and the A380 airframe will be punished with all sorts of things until the very limits of the design are known. That is the point of these tests and the result of these tests are seen from time to time on the web. The pics posted by TETENAL (from des spiegel) are an example of such things.

Of course the room between seats is completely up to the airlines, not the aircraft manufacturer. Goes without saying. Corsair are jamming more than 550 passangers in a 747-400 all the time. You can imagine the legroom there! Then there are airlines like Singapore Airlines with rather spacious seating even in economy class.

Mmm. Well, I just hope everything goes well in the tests and that Airbus finishes the A380 A.S.A.P. so they can get working on the A350 for real

cheers

W-Y

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

TETANAL!!! ... TETANAL ...

If that's supposed to be a joke, it must be one of the lamest I have seen here yet.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

If that's supposed to be a joke, it must be one of the lamest I have seen here yet.

Heh nice catch. Must be a freudian slip

When you think about it your nick is very close to TETANAL, TETENAL.

Come to think of it, why on earth would I want to make a joke about you or your choice of nick in this thread

cheers

W-Y

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?searchid=309039

[mrtew]

Here's a link to a photo of the third A-380 built!!! It's even better looking than the first one!!! http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=901042&size=L

[Weyland-Yutani]

(click on link above for small jpeg - the limitations of the vBulletin don't allow this as a photo)
She's looking good and tests are proceeding. (link)

cheers

W-Y

[badidea]

Anyone in Hamburg this weekend?

Watch the sky around 3:00 pm on Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Weyland-Yutani]

When are you gonna fly over Spain!!?? I want to see the A380! An incredible machine

cheers

W-Y

[badidea]

Originally Posted by badidea

Anyone in Hamburg this weekend?
Watch the sky around 3:00 pm on Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice pictures: http://www.prachtvoll.de/05/a380hh/

[TETENAL]

Frankfurt Airport has now been tested for A380 compatibility.

[mrtew]

I'd like to see some BIG pictures of that! Such a big plane deserves big pictures!

[Weyland-Yutani]

Here is a bigger photo:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/947957/L/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/947835/L/

cheers

W-Y

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Here is a bigger photo:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/947835/L/

cheers

W-Y

Nice pics. But look at the cockpit in the pic above. It looks like one of the windows on the pilot's side is open. WTF?!? Can you actually open cockpit windows in airplanes?

[Sijmen]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Nice pics. But look at the cockpit in the pic above. It looks like one of the windows on the pilot's side is open. WTF?!? Can you actually open cockpit windows in airplanes?

Yeah, since they were unable to attache the mirrors, they had to come up with something to cope with the blindness while driving backwards.

A 747 has the same feature I think

[ReggieX]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Nice pics. But look at the cockpit in the pic above. It looks like one of the windows on the pilot's side is open. WTF?!? Can you actually open cockpit windows in airplanes?

Sure, why not? The 737-700 I was in in September had opening windows.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Nice pics. But look at the cockpit in the pic above. It looks like one of the windows on the pilot's side is open. WTF?!? Can you actually open cockpit windows in airplanes?

Yes, all planes (more or less, e.g. B737, B747, B757, B767, A300, A320, A330, A340, DC9, DC10, MD 11, MD80s etc) have cockpit windows that can be opened. It has always been thus

This is all very normal.

cheers

W-Y

[andreas_g4]

Originally Posted by badidea

Nice pictures: http://www.prachtvoll.de/05/a380hh/

IIRC, the red building (nearest part of it) is Adobe's HH seat. I had some trainings there once.

[andreas_g4]

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[andreas_g4]

Originally Posted by badidea

Nice pictures: http://www.prachtvoll.de/05/a380hh/

IIRC, the red building (nearest part of it) is Adobe's HH seat. I had some trainings there once.

[analogika]

Yep. Greenpeace Hamburg office is in there as well.

[olePigeon]

Inaugural takeoff, inaugural landing, and inaugural seagull to get sucked into the jet engine.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Damn, is that Windows OS or is is just me?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/957790/L/

- actual cockpit photo of the A380

Frankly, I find this disenheartening. The A380 is a fine machine but all bias aside, Windows is not good enough for mission critical operations. Damnit!

cheers

W-Y

[Mastrap]

That's an amazing picture.

[gururafiki]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Damn, is that Windows OS or is is just me?

Jeez. What would happen if that thing got a virus??

[driven]

Originally Posted by gururafiki

Jeez. What would happen if that thing got a virus??

You mean WHEN it gets a virus?

[gururafiki]

Originally Posted by driven

You mean WHEN it gets a virus?

I'm not flying in one of those...ever.

[Hawkeye_a]

My dads been working with the A340, A330 and A320 since they were introduced ..... he hates the software on them. He told me they just be resetting the system cause it's buggy.

In other news, the A380 touched down in Sydney this past weekend. saw pictures in the newspaper, taken when it was skimming the city. Absolutely georgous.

Cheers

[kingjules]

i'm sure this plan has been designed on Mac ... so beautiful!

as for the software, airbus should switch from windows to Mac OSX.
if your dad says the truth about the bug software on the planes, well it does not make me very confident in taking the plane anymore!

they must have some security or backup system .... i hope

[chabig]

Nothing that is flight critical runs on Windows.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by kingjules

i'm sure this plan has been designed on Mac ... so beautiful!

as for the software, airbus should switch from windows to Mac OSX.
if your dad says the truth about the bug software on the planes, well it does not make me very confident in taking the plane anymore!

they must have some security or backup system .... i hope

If i remember correctly, i think he mentioned there are either 2 or 3 systems and if all else fails the pilot just goes manual. I think it was Airbus that pioneered fly-by-wire as well....pretty cool if you ask me.

I wouldnt worry too much about it though...i mean you dont have Airbusses just dropping out of the sky or anything .

Cheers

[badidea]

Originally Posted by kingjules

i'm sure this plan has been designed on Mac ... so beautiful!

Unfortunately no - we do this on HP/UX workstations...

[kingjules]

Originally Posted by chabig

Nothing that is flight critical runs on Windows.

very good point!

[GSixZero]

The EULA for Mac OSX prohibits it for use operating an aircraft. Nuclear facilities too!

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by chabig

Nothing that is flight critical runs on Windows.

Wow man.

I. Hope. Not.

cheers

W-Y

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by gururafiki

Jeez. What would happen if that thing got a virus??

Check page 6 of this thread. I already posted what would happen.

[TETENAL]

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,401393,00.html

OK, so during tests in Canada a wing broke off of the A380. I'm not going to fly in one.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,401393,00.html

OK, so during tests in Canada a wing broke off of the A380. I'm not going to fly in one.

I take it not when it was in the air.

[TETENAL]

Wing-bending test or something like that as far as I understand.

[analogika]

Excellent sensationalism there, Mr. Bild-Zeitung.

"Broke off", eh? Do you read German?

There was a slight TEAR in the wing when it was bent SEVEN AND A HALF METERS BEYOND NORMAL operation.

Strange.

I always thought that was the POINT of stress testing.

The value was within tolerance, but slightly lower than expected, so they'll still "optimize" it before shipping these things to airlines.

BFD.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

As cool as it is I still wouldn't want to get in one for many years. They are just discovering flaws on aircraft models that are 20 years old.

I hate to think what a fire hazard all those wires for the entertainment systems are.

[badidea]

Wow, even news to me!!

But remember boys, stress tests are usually always performed until failure - not this "real world" test though!

Maybe I get more detailed information about what happened when I get back to work...



to Tetenal: "broke off"??? (I could show you pictures of wing failures like this of almost every modern aircraft out there - Airbus AND Boeing)

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by analogika

Excellent sensationalism there, Mr. Bild-Zeitung.

Actually the article is from Spiegel Online.

Originally Posted by analogika

The value was within tolerance, but slightly lower than expected, so they'll still "optimize" it before shipping these things to airlines.

You need to read between the lines of the marketing speech. Everything was "normal", and they are "confident to get the admission, though some optimizations might be necessary." So why are those "optimizations" necessary if everything went normal during these tests? To me it looks like something went wrong. I seriously doubt that they intended to break the wing of a 300 million Euro airplane (or whatever it costs).

EADS stock dropped 15% today (Boeing stock was unaffected):

http://www.manager-magazin.de/untern...401400,00.html

[chabig]

All airplane wings are static tested to destruction. This would only be unusual if it failed before sustaining the design load.

Chris

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by chabig

All airplane wings are static tested to destruction.

On completed aircrafts? How do they bring back that thing from Canada now anyways? I doubt this was intentional.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Actually the article is from Spiegel Online.

Yes, I noticed.

I was making an observation about you, not the source of that article - which said nothing about "broken off" anything.

[aberdeenwriter]

Anyone want a larger than FULL SCREEN image?

3264x2448

http://events.airbus.com/A380/Images...0exclusive.jpg

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

On completed aircrafts? How do they bring back that thing from Canada now anyways? I doubt this was intentional.

Oh boy. A couple of points.

First off, here is the article in English in Flight International:
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...mate+load.html

There are stress tests made on completed airframes. The wing is stressed until it gives away.



This test was done in Europe. Not in Canada.

The airfame used in these tests is destroyed in them to ascertain the real-world limits of the design.

The wing snapped at 146% instead of 150% that Airbus was aiming for. That is, Airbus was aiming for 1.5 x Limit load, or so called Ultimate load.

Limit load is the highest load encountered anywhere in the flight envelope.


Hope that sheds some light on the incident.

cheers

W-Y

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

On completed aircrafts? How do they bring back that thing from Canada now anyways? I doubt this was intentional.

These were cold weather tests.