[Doofy]

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.c...edophilia.html

This booklet, entitled ‘Body, Love and Playing Doctor’ emanates from Germany’s Ministry for Family Affairs, and it encourages parents to ‘sexually massage’ their children as young as 1-3 years of age. There is a sequel for children aged 4-6 years of age which recommends teaching them the movements of sexual intercourse.

This is actually pederasty, not paedophilia, but Cranmer has given up trying to educate the world on the nuances of Greek love.

Astonishingly, the booklet advises: ‘Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex.’

And the rationale for this?

‘The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.’

There are no plans yet for the teenage edition.

According to Michael O'Brien, this amounts to ‘state-encouraged incest, which in most civilised societies is a crime’.

...

It is reported that use of these booklets is not only obligatory in nine German regions, but that they are used for training nursery, kindergarten and elementary school teachers.

WTF?
Any of our German members got the low-down on this?

[badidea]

It has been banned 2 years ago (because of possible misinterpretations)!
And a false english translation on a blog doesn't help here either...


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[Doofy]

Originally Posted by badidea 

It has been banned 2 years ago (because of possible misinterpretations)!
And a false english translation on a blog doesn't help here either...

So what was the correct interpretation?

[OreoCookie]

This has been in the news one-and-a-half years ago. The passage you have quoted caused a stir and the leaflet has been edited since. If you put the quoted passage into context, it says that attempts of masturbation should not be reprimanded.

Original quotes:

[...] Es ist damit nichts anderes gemeint, als dass das Kind eine Bestätigung in seinem Mädchensein braucht, wie es die meisten Jungen automatisch aufgrund ihrer Anatomie erhalten. Mütter geben dem Penis oft verschiedene und manchmal auch liebevolle Namen und drücken damit unbewusst Anerkennung aus.

Demgegenüber erfahren Scheide und vor allem Klitoris kaum Beachtung durch Benennung und zärtliche Berührung (weder seitens des Vaters noch der Mutter) und erschweren es damit für das Mädchen, Stolz auf seine Geschlechtlichkeit zu entwickeln. Wobei mit diesem Hinweis die Anerkennung als Mädchen nicht auf seine genitale Geschlechtlichkeit reduziert werden soll. Für die Entwicklung ist es wichtig, dass der Vater mit seiner Tochter spielt und ihr dabei zeigt, wie lieb er sie hat und wie stolz er auf sie ist!

Wenn Kinder entdecken, dass sie Jungen bzw. Mädchen sind, möchten sie sich vergleichen, die Gemeinsamkeiten und Unterschiede zu Mutter und Vater erkunden. Und dies tun sie am liebsten handgreiflich. Wer mit seiner Tochter bzw. seinem Sohn einmal in dieser Phase gemeinsam gebadet oder sich länger nackt mit ihr / ihm beschäftigt hat, wird dies bestätigen können. Da ist keine Körperregion vor intensivster Erkundung sicher und natürlich auch nicht die Genitalien, die manchmal Erregungszustände bei den Erwachsenen auslösen. Es kann aber auch sein, dass Ihnen bestimmte intime Berührungen bei aller Akzeptanz kindlicher Neugier unangenehm sind, weil Ihr Intimbereich unwissentlich vom Kind verletzt wird.

So kann ein Konflikt entstehen zwischen Gewähren-lassen-Wollen, um dem Kind keine unnötigen Grenzen zu setzen, und der eigenen Ablehnung. In diesem Fall ist es richtig, die eigenen inneren Grenzen zu beachten und das Kind liebevoll zurückzuweisen: ‚Ich möchte das jetzt nicht mehr! Hör bitte auf damit.’ Auch wenn es seiner Neugier damit nicht vollständig folgen kann, lernt es doch etwas ebenfalls Wichtiges, nämlich dass jeder Mensch ein Recht darauf hat, seine Intimität zu schützen und dass er Nein sagen darf!

Quick translations:

In other words, the child (girl) needs affirmation of its femininity that is granted automatically to boys due to their anatomy. Mothers often give nicknames to the penis and thereby subconsciously acknowledge him.

Girls' genitalia on the other hand hardly get any acknowledgment by neither father nor mother through gentle touch or nicknames. This makes it harder for girls to develop pride in their gender. However, acknowledging the girl's gender should not be reduced to the girl's sex and her genitalia. It's important for the development of the child for the father to play with his daughter and give her love and attention.

When children discover that their male or female, they would like to compare themselves to each other and explore the differences to mother and father. And they like to do that through their tactile senses. People who bathe with with their daughters or sons in this phase will readily confirm this. No bodily region is safe from curiosity, including the genitalia which may cause states of arousals in the adults.

It could be that these intimate touches -- despite your approval of your child's curiosity -- make you uncomfortable, because your intimacy is unknowingly violated by the child. Hence there may be a conflict between not wanting to put up too many boundaries to the child and one's own rejection. In this case it is correct to respect one's inner boundaries and gently tell the child to stop by saying: `I don't want that, please stop!' Even though the child cannot follow its curiosity, it learns something important, namely that every person has the right to protect its intimacy and say `No.'

Pretty harmless if you put it into context.

[Doofy]

Get ya. A bit odd from a Brit perspective but, as you say, pretty harmless.

See, this is why it's best to run these things past the 'NN - someone somewhere on here will be able to give the low-down on pretty much anything.

[OreoCookie]

Odd? In what way? (I'm just curious.)

[Doofy]

Well, the bits in there going on about because you haven't decided to call your daughter's plumbing a nickname, she'll find it harder to develop pride in her gender, for example. That seems a little like feminist claptrap.

[OreoCookie]

Ah, ok, got it.

[mattyb]

Brit/English perspective : German = Odd.

This isn't meant to provoke a flame war, cause harm or be insulting. Its basically the perception of Brits regarding Germans.

[OreoCookie]

None taken.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Brit/English perspective : German = Odd.

This isn't meant to provoke a flame war, cause harm or be insulting. Its basically the perception of Brits regarding people not from the Islands.

Fixed.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Oisín 

Fixed.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Johnny_Foreigner

[Oisín]

Brilliant!

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Oisín 

Fixed.

Hey, don't make fun of our friends from the island. They just like to reminisce on the good ol' times when they were a world power (militarily and in soccer, ahem, football).

Just wanted to add my bit of stereotyping here

[badidea]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

So what was the correct interpretation?

Sorry for my post and run (work)...but I think Oreo answered your question in the best possible way!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by badidea 

Sorry for my post and run (work)...but I think Oreo answered your question in the best possible way!

No worries.

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

No worries.

Very touchy feely Doof, WTF? Are you drunk? Stoned ?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Johnny_Foreigner

Absolutely hilarious.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Very touchy feely Doof, WTF? Are you drunk? Stoned ?

I'm going to go with "tired" (what with just having fell off the back of my office chair 'coz I went to sleep and all that).

[gradient]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Johnny_Foreigner

I'm glad to hear that I'm just a little odd. Other's keep claiming to the contrary.