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Andrew Stephens · Jul 18, 2009, 01:54 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8157368.stm

New high res images of the Apollo landing sites show, the descent stage of the lander, a science instruments package and a footstep trail between them.

or

Dedicated team of nasa photoshop experts fake up moon landing images just in time for 40th anniversary

Take your pick. I know which side I'm one. Fantastic images.

putrid · Jul 18, 2009, 02:08 PM

There will alway be people out there who believe that the human race is incapable of doing anything. Aliens build the pyramids? Fiber optics alien technology?? You'll always have stupid people. They even mass together and form there own groups. Fox news network. KKK just to name a few.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 18, 2009, 03:13 PM

I went all giddy when I saw that earlier.

****ing amazing.

ApertureValue · Jul 18, 2009, 06:48 PM

Conspiracy Theorists make me

finboy · Jul 19, 2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I went all giddy when I saw that earlier.

****ing amazing.

OMG thanks for posting this. BOoo-Yah.

Bart Sibrel can eat it.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 19, 2009, 03:42 PM

I had no idea who Bart Sibrel is.

Found this: YouTube - Buzz Aldrin Punches Bart Sibrel

That's Buzz Aldrin, the guy with the fist.

Wiskedjak · Jul 19, 2009, 03:50 PM

Photoshopped

turtle777 · Jul 19, 2009, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I had no idea who Bart Sibrel is.

Found this: YouTube - Buzz Aldrin Punches Bart Sibrel

That's Buzz Aldrin, the guy with the fist.

That never happened.

It was all staged in a studio in Hollywood

-t

real · Jul 19, 2009, 05:15 PM

Either way lots of good came from the moon landing and the space program in general

Spheric Harlot · Jul 19, 2009, 05:17 PM

^ So are you shock!!?

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2009, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by putrid

There will alway be people out there who believe that the human race is incapable of doing anything. Aliens build the pyramids? Fiber optics alien technology?? You'll always have stupid people. They even mass together and form there own groups. Fox news network. KKK just to name a few.

Fox News network, eh?

The haters on the right are on the fringe. Whereas, the haters on the left are scattered all across the landscape.

turtle777 · Jul 19, 2009, 06:17 PM

Oh, look who's back from the grave.

-t

ThinkInsane · Jul 19, 2009, 06:32 PM

Political commentary belongs elsewhere, as you all well know.

turtle777 · Jul 19, 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

Political commentary belongs elsewhere, as you all well know.

Well, Abe can't post in the PWL.

-t

ShortcutToMoncton · Jul 20, 2009, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by real

Either way lots of good came from the moon landing and the space program in general

Oh yeah? Such as?

I'd love to see a "good-to-dollar ratio" outlined too. Heh.

greg

turtle777 · Jul 20, 2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

Oh yeah? Such as?

I'd love to see a "good-to-dollar ratio" outlined too. Heh.

greg

Duct Tape.

Oh, wait, that came from a war. Nevermind.

-t

residentEvil · Jul 20, 2009, 12:43 PM

everything NASA has spun off to commercial interests:

NASA Spinoff homepage

and the bottom of this link debunks the popular misquoted ones:

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm#spinfaq12

kikkoman · Jul 20, 2009, 01:57 PM

Why are the shadows going the opposite way?

turtle777 · Jul 20, 2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by kikkoman

Why are the shadows going the opposite way?

The black bar of the Apollo is NOT a shadow, it's the side of Apollo that's facing away from the sun, and therefore, is not illuminated.

-t

SVass · Jul 20, 2009, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Duct Tape.
Oh, wait, that came from a war. Nevermind.
-t

Wrong, we called it "green tape" as I recall and yes, we attached things to the launcher (LUT) with it. I left the Cape before we went to the moon and was only there for the construction of Pad 39 and the LUT as well as the first two launches. I was even in the Mousetrap (a local drinking establishment) when the astronauts were killed in the earlier fire. Darpanet came from a war and computer technology came from the space race.
sam

kikkoman · Jul 20, 2009, 02:09 PM

What about in this image? It looks like a shadow cast by the brighter object to the left.

Originally Posted by turtle777

The black bar of the Apollo is NOT a shadow, it's the side of Apollo that's facing away from the sun, and therefore, is not illuminated.

-t

SVass · Jul 20, 2009, 02:12 PM

PS-Walter Cronkite did a live broadcast of a launch from a nearby enclosed metal house trailer. The noise level was so high at a frequency of about 14 Hz that the roof and walls of the trailer reacted which of course put a warble in his on air voice and frightened him. That should have satisfied the doubters.

turtle777 · Jul 20, 2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by kikkoman

What about in this image? It looks like a shadow cast by the brighter object to the left.

That's not the same image as above, not even the same landing site.

Where is that big crater (right) in the original image ?

-t

kikkoman · Jul 20, 2009, 02:25 PM

Click the link to the article in the original post. The photo is captioned "A long shadow is cast by the Apollo 11 descent stage."

Originally Posted by turtle777

That's not the same image as above, not even the same landing site.

Where is that big crater (right) in the original image ?

-t

Jul 20, 2009, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ApertureValue

Conspiracy Theorists make me

Though you have to admire there perseverance. Every single one of their pieces of "evidence" against the real moon landing have been debunked, yet they still spout them off as if true.

::maroma:: · Jul 20, 2009, 02:32 PM

I don't see what's wrong with those shadows in either of those images. They look right to me.

kikkoman · Jul 20, 2009, 03:02 PM

Lol, I guess those round things are craters. For some reason my brain interpreted them as mounds or hills.

ShortcutToMoncton · Jul 20, 2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by residentEvil

everything NASA has spun off to commercial interests:

NASA Spinoff homepage

and the bottom of this link debunks the popular misquoted ones:

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm#spinfaq12

Pretty interesting stuff. At the same time, from what I can remember the cost of the Apollo project alone (which ran, what, 13-15 years I guess?) was over $130 billion in today's dollars.

greg

residentEvil · Jul 20, 2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

Pretty interesting stuff. At the same time, from what I can remember the cost of the Apollo project alone (which ran, what, 13-15 years I guess?) was over $130 billion in today's dollars.

greg

yup; i keep those links handy as the topic comes up often. in forums and in real life. lots of fun reading in the old issues.

Laminar · Jul 20, 2009, 04:42 PM

Andrew Stephens · Jul 20, 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

Pretty interesting stuff. At the same time, from what I can remember the cost of the Apollo project alone (which ran, what, 13-15 years I guess?) was over $130 billion in today's dollars.

greg

Apart from "velcro" etc I would theorise that there is a bigger spin off from the space race.

The Apollo programe was a huge boost to the American high tec sector. It taught the US how to develop and build huge long term technology projects. It pumped money into defense contractors such as Rockwell, Boeing and many others. It drew a huge number of talented people into engineering and showed how to make use of them.

At the same time the programme gave America a massive confidense boost in it's own abilities.

As a result America has spent the last thirty years dominating the world through force of will, projection of power and industrial/military might. Without the space programme to move all this I think America would be a far different place than it is today.

Now, many people may say that's not al a good thing (especially for some parts of the rest of the world) but in terms of a return on investment it is quite staggering.

Perhaps a mars programme could be put to some similar use since the US seems to be on a bit of a debbie downer at th moment self image wise.

residentEvil · Jul 20, 2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Stephens

Apart from "velcro" etc I would theorise that there is a bigger spin off from the space race.

The Apollo programe was a huge boost to the American high tec sector. It taught the US how to develop and build huge long term technology projects. It pumped money into defense contractors such as Rockwell, Boeing and many others. It drew a huge number of talented people into engineering and showed how to make use of them.

At the same time the programme gave America a massive confidense boost in it's own abilities.

As a result America has spent the last thirty years dominating the world through force of will, projection of power and industrial/military might. Without the space programme to move all this I think America would be a far different place than it is today.

Now, many people may say that's not al a good thing (especially for some parts of the rest of the world) but in terms of a return on investment it is quite staggering.

Perhaps a mars programme could be put to some similar use since the US seems to be on a bit of a debbie downer at th moment self image wise.

You didn't read my links did you? Velcro did NOT come from NASA/space program/space race (yes, the used in the Apollo missions, but the invention and availability of product had nothing to do with NASA).

SVass · Jul 20, 2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by residentEvil

You didn't read my links did you? Velcro did NOT come from NASA/space program/space race (yes, the used in the Apollo missions, but the invention and availability of product had nothing to do with NASA).

As an interesting aside, condoms were freely issued and available to cap open tubing during construction. Was that a new use?
sam

residentEvil · Jul 20, 2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by SVass

As an interesting aside, condoms were freely issued and available to cap open tubing during construction. Was that a new use?
sam

Not really, considering soldiers used them to cover the barrels of their rifles/machine guns during river crossings and rain storms.

Andrew Stephens · Jul 20, 2009, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by residentEvil

You didn't read my links did you? Velcro did NOT come from NASA/space program/space race (yes, the used in the Apollo missions, but the invention and availability of product had nothing to do with NASA).

Yes I did. That's why i put it in quotes. I was pointing out that individual spin offs real or not, are not important compared to the overall benefits of the programme.

Charles Bouldin · Jul 23, 2009, 10:54 PM

Check this out. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter images the Opportunity rover from orbit. Incredibly good pic:

http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/...-up2-annot.jpg

Spheric Harlot · Jul 24, 2009, 04:29 AM

Photoshop!!!

(wow.)