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Mar 3, 2009, 09:45 AM
 
As the latest rumors predicted, the new Mac mini was launched today.

Two configs, both come with the Nvidia 9400M G chipset, 5 USB ports, MiniDVI and MDP, Gigabit, FW800, 802.11n and BT 2.1+EDR.

$599 - 2.0 GHz Penryn, 1 GB RAM, 120 GB HDD
$799 - 2.0 GHz Penryn, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD

BTO options include a 2.26 GHz Penryn.

Instead of lowering the price of the low-end to $499 they increased the price of the high-end model.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 09:48 AM
 
Still looks inviting, especially with ram maxed to 4GB.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 09:52 AM
 
And it supports dual displays!
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 09:55 AM
 
Five USB ports on the new Mac mini...looks like the rumor mill was right on that one.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 10:08 AM
 
The low-end Mac Mini was increased to $599 more than a year ago.
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Mar 3, 2009, 10:22 AM
 
What, no Blu-Ray?
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Mar 3, 2009, 10:33 AM
 
Finally!

I don't see it listed in the specs, but I'm assuming it ships with a mini-DVI to DVI adapter?
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 10:34 AM
 
Ordered.
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Edit: Nevermind...
     
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Originally Posted by No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones View Post
Finally!

I don't see it listed in the specs, but I'm assuming it ships with a mini-DVI to DVI adapter?
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Mar 3, 2009, 10:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones View Post
Finally!

I don't see it listed in the specs, but I'm assuming it ships with a mini-DVI to DVI adapter?
Looks like it does to me (link, check the In The Box section).

EDIT: I'm assuming/hoping the 128MB vs. 256MB usage by the video is dependent on the amount of RAM installed and not the model (i.e. if you install more RAM into the low-end mini it'll use 256MB of RAM for video).

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Mar 3, 2009, 11:01 AM
 
Kudos for the new video card and the FireWire 800 port, but disappointed with the processor speed. Why not the same as the MacBook? Or even better, why not the same as the low-end iMac minus the screen? I'd love to see a mini with 2.66GHz and the option of having 8GB of memory. That's my dream Mac mini. I would even pay the same price for it. I just don't want the screen.

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Mar 3, 2009, 11:07 AM
 
HI, I'm an idiot, never thought about the tech specs page.

Just ordered the base config, and also ordered 4 GB of RAM and a 320 GB 7200 RPM drive from NewEgg.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 11:09 AM
 
I don't understand why only the expensive model has 256MB of shared video memory?
Why can't I share as much with the $599 model if I max it out to 2-4GB RAM??
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Mar 3, 2009, 11:14 AM
 
Odd, I figured a dedicated GPU meant it had its own memory. I assume usage will scale as needed, with less RAM required when running basic tasks.

EDIT: OMG, please forgive my idiocy. Just read the footnotes at the tech specs page. What's wrong with me today? O.o
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 11:15 AM
 
Originally Posted by badidea View Post
I don't understand why only the expensive model has 256MB of shared video memory?
Why can't I share as much with the $599 model if I max it out to 2-4GB RAM??
I think if you add RAM it'll use at least 256MB but I can't say for sure. The footnote on the specs page says "minimum graphics memory usage is 128MB for 1GB configuration and 256MB for 2GB configuration"...does that include if *I* were to configure it to have 2GB?

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Originally Posted by badidea View Post
I don't understand why only the expensive model has 256MB of shared video memory?
Why can't I share as much with the $599 model if I max it out to 2-4GB RAM??
I think that just means the video memory doubles with 2 GB of RAM installed and isn't exclusive to the more expensive model.
     
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Ok, thanks! Makes more sense now!
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Mar 3, 2009, 12:29 PM
 
Upgrading mini questions:

Its never been about raw speed for me, I'll just do my mpeg4 conversions overnight if need be...but

Warranty questions and upgrades...

If I buy the low end mini with 1Gb of RAM
#1 Can I upgrade the RAM myself without voiding warranty
#2 Can I buy a single 2Gb stick of RAM and end up with 3Gb
#3 Can I buy 500Gb 2.5 SATA hard drive and upgrade it myself without voiding warranty?
#4 How cheap can I go on a FW800 3.5" SATA enclosure. New Tech has it for 99 dollars.

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Originally Posted by chichow View Post
#1 Can I upgrade the RAM myself without voiding warranty
#3 Can I buy 500Gb 2.5 SATA hard drive and upgrade it myself without voiding warranty?
That's what I'm waiting to hear and then I'll probably grab one.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 12:56 PM
 
I'm fine with the 120GB hard drive in the Mac Mini.

I'm going to connect it to the 2TB firewire 800 drive I bought from frys.

2TB firewire 800 drive cost $200. It's a Maxtor drive.
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Mar 3, 2009, 01:05 PM
 
Didn't realize DDR3 1066MHz memory is so cheap now. I remember seeing at over $120 when the unibody Macbook Pro first came out not so long ago.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other.../8566DDR3S4GP/

These should work on the Mac Mini according to specs.
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Originally Posted by chichow View Post
#1 Can I upgrade the RAM myself without voiding warranty
#2 Can I buy a single 2Gb stick of RAM and end up with 3Gb
#3 Can I buy 500Gb 2.5 SATA hard drive and upgrade it myself without voiding warranty?
#4 How cheap can I go on a FW800 3.5" SATA enclosure. New Tech has it for 99 dollars.
1. Absolutely. But if you break something doing so, then you void the warranty. (But paying Apple to fix whatever you broke restores the warranty.)
2. Dunno, but probably.
3. Certainly.
4. I've seen very few cheap FW800 enclosures.
     
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Originally Posted by chichow View Post
If I buy the low end mini with 1Gb of RAM
#1 Can I upgrade the RAM myself without voiding warranty
Apple hasn't uploaded the user manual yet so we don't know for sure. Chances are Apple will not consider RAM a user-upgradeable part. Of course as always, if you install the memory and you break nothing, you should be ok. If something else fails and it's unrelated to your RAM or your installation, you should still have warranty coverage.

#2 Can I buy a single 2Gb stick of RAM and end up with 3Gb
Yes.

#3 Can I buy 500Gb 2.5 SATA hard drive and upgrade it myself without voiding warranty?
Same as answer to #1.
     
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Mar 3, 2009, 02:11 PM
 
Could an external drive connected via FW800 theoretically be faster running than the internal drive, and if so, might that prompt some folks to rouitinely boot from the external drive instead? Would doing so be worth it?
     
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
I'm fine with the 120GB hard drive in the Mac Mini.

I'm going to connect it to the 2TB firewire 800 drive I bought from frys.

2TB firewire 800 drive cost $200. It's a Maxtor drive.
I picked up a 1TB external Maxtor from NewEgg for $90. Man HDDs are so cheap now.
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Originally Posted by Simon View Post
Apple hasn't uploaded the user manual yet so we don't know for sure. Chances are Apple will not consider RAM a user-upgradeable part. Of course as always, if you install the memory and you break nothing, you should be ok. If something else fails and it's unrelated to your RAM or your installation, you should still have warranty coverage.
I upgraded my mom's mini the other day without a scratch. I had a 3" wide putty knife and just stuck it into the groove. It unhooked fine, didn't break anything. Upgraded the RAM.
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Mar 3, 2009, 03:10 PM
 
Doesn't the Apple Store do RAM upgrades for you by appointment? I would just bring my mini and third-party RAM to them and ask nicely for them to do it if you're timid about upgrading it yourself.
     
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Disappointing, overpriced.
     
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I do look forward to some benchmarks.
     
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Originally Posted by selowitch View Post
Could an external drive connected via FW800 theoretically be faster running than the internal drive, and if so, might that prompt some folks to rouitinely boot from the external drive instead? Would doing so be worth it?
Logic would indicate that a SATA drive connected to a FW800 bridge and then to the Mac would not be faster than a SATA drive connected directly to the SATA controller on the motherboard.

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That is a solution that people used to use back in the G4 mini era, but it wouldn't have any worth today given the same type of drive

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Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
Logic would indicate that a SATA drive connected to a FW800 bridge and then to the Mac would not be faster than a SATA drive connected directly to the SATA controller on the motherboard.
Logic would indicate that if the drives were otherwise equal.

But what logic really indicates is that of course you can get a really fast 3.5" external drive that can easily beat the internal 2.5" notebook drive. It's the drive and not the bus limiting most HDD performance.

Seriously, several people on this board have in the past reported getting best performance when using a fast external drive (over FW400!) instead of the internal drive. Sure you can get very decent notebook drives, but the mini's stock drives don't stand a chance against a big and fast 3.5" drive.
     
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Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
That is a solution that people used to use back in the G4 mini era, but it wouldn't have any worth today given the same type of drive
But who would use the same type of drive if they're interested in best performance?

If you take a fast 3.5" drive and attach it through a decent FW800 bridge it will easily beat the internal stock notebook drive of the Mac mini.
     
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Of course if you're really interested in best disk performance you'd replace the mini's internal notebook HDD with an SSD.

OTOH if you're really serious about performance, chances are you're not getting a Mac mini anyway.
     
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But for a home media center mini your FW idea probably ain't half bad.
     
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Originally Posted by Simon View Post
But who would use the same type of drive if they're interested in best performance?

If you take a fast 3.5" drive and attach it through a decent FW800 bridge it will easily beat the internal stock notebook drive of the Mac mini.
Then I suppose it still makes some sense for modern mini owners.

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can someone help me?
other than the price, what would be a reason for a mini?
i know, space, but space is not that big of a deal.
i have an apple tv, and i would only put the mac mini where that used to be if i were to replace it.
but i cannot think of a super good reason for it...
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Originally Posted by Simon View Post
Logic would indicate that if the drives were otherwise equal.

But what logic really indicates is that of course you can get a really fast 3.5" external drive that can easily beat the internal 2.5" notebook drive. It's the drive and not the bus limiting most HDD performance.

Seriously, several people on this board have in the past reported getting best performance when using a fast external drive (over FW400!) instead of the internal drive. Sure you can get very decent notebook drives, but the mini's stock drives don't stand a chance against a big and fast 3.5" drive.
Ah sorry, I forgot that the mini uses those stupid notebook drives. Yeah, I could see you beating a notebook drive with FW800. FW400 is a bit of a stretch, though.

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So what are some examples of external cases with really good FW800 bridges?

I'm a fan of WD Caviar Green drives and would stick a 1 or 1.5TB into an external FW800 enclosure along with the new mini.
     
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Chances are Apple will not consider RAM a user-upgradeable part.
I don't see why not - iirc, it has been for every other model of Mac mini so it would be quite surprising if they didn't for this model.
     
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Originally Posted by solofx7 View Post
can someone help me?
other than the price, what would be a reason for a mini?
i know, space, but space is not that big of a deal.
i have an apple tv, and i would only put the mac mini where that used to be if i were to replace it.
but i cannot think of a super good reason for it...
help
You can load DVR software onto it and turn into a media center as well as file server.
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So what are some examples of external cases with really good FW800 bridges?

I'm a fan of WD Caviar Green drives and would stick a 1 or 1.5TB into an external FW800 enclosure along with the new mini.
Oxford has the reputation of making the best-performing FireWire bridges. Oxford bridges are also a lot more expensive than their competition, so enclosures using Oxford bridges usually mention the fact that they're using Oxford somewhere on the packaging, so that people will know that the enclosure is a premium product and not just overpriced.

I have the OWC Mercury Elite and love it, although it's not cheap. Some people on this board have recommended this one from CoolDrives, which also uses an Oxford chipset and is a little cheaper. Alternatively, if you're using a Mac mini, the MiniStack v3 might be nice too, as it is designed to fit the Mac mini's form factor, and you can stack it right on top without using much space or introducing much clutter, which would be nice if you were using your Mac mini in your living room or something.

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Disappointing, overpriced.
I agree. Neither the Mini nor iMac are doing much for me.
     
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Yeah seriously. How long has it been since we had any refresh for the Mini? Like 18 months? And this is what we get?

I thought they were maybe working on something interesting. This is nothing more then a small bump.

I guess I'll wait another 18 months and see what they do next.

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so this thing can run dual displays correct?

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"Mac mini even lets you connect up to two displays, including your TV, with the mini-DVI port and Mini DisplayPort."

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Originally Posted by chichow View Post
If I buy the low end mini with 1Gb of RAM
#1 Can I upgrade the RAM myself without voiding warranty
Originally Posted by Simon
Apple hasn't uploaded the user manual yet so we don't know for sure. Chances are Apple will not consider RAM a user-upgradeable part. Of course as always, if you install the memory and you break nothing, you should be ok. If something else fails and it's unrelated to your RAM or your installation, you should still have warranty coverage.
Apple has just uploaded the user manual. RAM is not a user-replaceable part. In fact nothing is.

Do Not Make Repairs Yourself
Your Mac mini doesn’t have any user-serviceable parts. Do not attempt to open your Mac mini. If your Mac mini needs service, consult the service and support information that came with your computer for instructions about how to contact an Apple Authorized Service Provider or Apple for service.
If you open your Mac mini or install items, you risk damaging your equipment, and such damage isn’t covered by the limited warranty on your Mac mini.


So in other words, if you break anything while attempting to open your Mac mini or adding memory, you're screwed. OTOH if you add memory and all goes well, you shouldn't get into any trouble.

Some free advice though: keep the stock memory around. If you have to send your Mac mini in you'll want to put the stock memory in there first. You don't want to give Apple an excuse for not fixing your Mac ("it's the third-party memory's fault") or for disposing your memory.
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Originally Posted by Simon
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Chances are Apple will not consider RAM a user-upgradeable part.
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I don't see why not - iirc, it has been for every other model of Mac mini so it would be quite surprising if they didn't for this model.
No, actually RAM has never been a user-accessible part on the Mac mini. See my post above.

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The irony is that while they tout dual-display capabilities on the Mac mini their silly port choice means you cannot buy the monitors from Apple. Well, at least not both.

Apple preventing people from buying both of their displays from them?
     
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
Yeah seriously. How long has it been since we had any refresh for the Mini? Like 18 months? And this is what we get?
I agree, faster cpu (in the low end model), larger max memory, larger hard drive, more usb ports, faster GPU and dual display support. This is just a small update
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